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11:51:17 <xiaoqian> zakim, agenda?
11:51:17 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
11:51:29 <xiaoqian> agenda+ To do list from 1st CJK Meeting
11:51:38 <xiaoqian> agenda+ Progress of Github Issue: TV
11:51:45 <xiaoqian> agenda+ Progress of Github Issue:  IoT
11:51:53 <xiaoqian> agenda+ Progress of Github Issue:  UI components
11:52:05 <xiaoqian> agenda+ Discussion with Publishing CG chair: Zheng Xu
11:52:13 <xiaoqian> agenda+ AoB
11:52:17 <xiaoqian> chair: Yongqing
11:52:21 <xiaoqian> scribe: xiaoqian
11:52:47 <xiaoqian> meeting: MiniApps CG Monthly TeleConf
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12:00:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/22-miniapp-minutes.html xfq
12:00:23 <xfq> chair: Yongqing
12:00:26 <xfq> scribe+
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12:00:56 <xfq> present+ Wenli Zhang
12:01:01 <xfq> present+ Yongqing Dong
12:01:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/22-miniapp-minutes.html xfq
12:01:17 <xfq> presnet+ Dan
12:01:23 <xfq> presnet+ QingAn
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12:03:03 <xiaoqian> RRSAgent, make log public
12:03:08 <xfq> presnet+ Yongjing Zhang
12:03:18 <xfq> s/presnet/present/
12:04:33 <xfq> present+ Jeff
12:04:46 <xfq> present+ Tengyuan
12:04:54 <xiaoqian> zakim, take up next item
12:04:54 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- To do list from 1st CJK Meeting -- taken up [from xiaoqian]
12:05:48 <xfq> present+ zhuyingda
12:05:48 <xiaoqian> [going through today's agenda]
12:06:40 <xiaoqian> yongqing: Angel suggested we create a MiniApp  CJK TF, is it the plan?
12:07:04 <xiaoqian> s/MiniApp  CJK TF/MiniApp CJK TF
12:07:19 <xiaoqian> xfq: let's wait when Angel join us
12:07:40 <xiaoqian> ... we already discussed the DOM support for MiniApp
12:08:05 <xiaoqian> s/wait/hold it
12:08:38 <xiaoqian> yongqing: QuickApp have initial design to support DOM, but it's available to the developers yet
12:09:02 <xiaoqian> ... not sure whether the rendering will align with browsers
12:09:48 <xiaoqian> Dan: we do not support DOM neither, mostly because of the performance
12:09:58 <xiaoqian> ... also security concern
12:10:14 <xiaoqian> ... we need to evaluate the possibility
12:10:22 <xiaoqian> ... but we do offer similar APIs
12:10:33 <xiaoqian> ... f.ex. selectors
12:11:43 <xiaoqian> yongqing: performance issues, I'd suggest avoid exposing those APIs that will cause performance problem
12:11:49 <xiaoqian> Dan: make sense to me
12:12:45 <xiaoqian> action: xfq to open a GitHub issue on MiniApp DOM support
12:12:45 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
12:12:55 <xiaoqian> zakim, close this item
12:12:55 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
12:12:56 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:12:56 <Zakim> 2. Progress of Github Issue: TV [from xiaoqian]
12:13:00 <xiaoqian> zakim, next item
12:13:00 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Progress of Github Issue: TV -- taken up [from xiaoqian]
12:13:11 <xiaoqian> zakim, agenda?
12:13:11 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
12:13:12 <Zakim> 2. Progress of Github Issue: TV [from xiaoqian]
12:13:12 <Zakim> 3. Progress of Github Issue:  IoT [from xiaoqian]
12:13:12 <Zakim> 4. Progress of Github Issue:  UI components [from xiaoqian]
12:13:12 <Zakim> 5. Discussion with Publishing CG chair: Zheng Xu [from xiaoqian]
12:13:12 <Zakim> 6. AoB [from xiaoqian]
12:13:21 <xiaoqian> zakim, take up item 5
12:13:21 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Discussion with Publishing CG chair: Zheng Xu -- taken up [from xiaoqian]
12:13:53 <xiaoqian> zheng: the meeting time is perfect for me :)
12:14:19 <xiaoqian> ... dPub is mainly about HTML, CSS and JS, have a strong link to the Web
12:14:40 <xiaoqian> ... offline experience is critical
12:14:52 <xiaoqian> ... I've been working on dPub since 2012
12:15:07 <xiaoqian> ... the CG is about innovation and promotion
12:16:02 <xiaoqian> ... we are working on best practices, a11y
12:16:13 <xiaoqian> ... fixed layout
12:16:31 <xiaoqian> ... the CG was rather new
12:17:16 <xiaoqian> ... I'm interested in MiniApp, especially how to target a package
12:17:34 <xiaoqian> ... I hope these ideas can be applied to dPub
12:18:18 <xiaoqian> ... how to define the authors, names, agent... by a ZIP file
12:19:17 <xiaoqian> ... provide feedback to the current dPub specs
12:21:34 <xiaoqian> ... EPUB is at 3.2 now, we just publish a new version of 3.3
12:22:19 <xiaoqian> ... Package defines the resources, how to find these resources
12:22:36 <xiaoqian> ... where to put the metadata
12:22:57 <xiaoqian> ... we have a repo for epub samples
12:23:28 <xiaoqian> ... container.xml
12:23:48 <xiaoqian> ... package.opf
12:24:35 <xiaoqian> ... you can set the title, language, access mode, manifest to provide offline prefetch
12:25:07 <xiaoqian> ... spine for paging
12:26:03 <xiaoqian> ... content document, more for ePub type
12:26:13 <xiaoqian> ... you don't need to support all the specs
12:26:35 <xiaoqian> ... Open Container, defines the format of the files
12:26:44 <xiaoqian> ... container is a must
12:27:28 <xiaoqian> ... font, encryptions are often used
12:27:51 <xiaoqian> ... I think we can work together on Packages and OCF
12:28:02 <xiaoqian> ... maybe A11y in the future too
12:28:24 <xiaoqian> ... as for the implementation
12:28:57 <xiaoqian> ... kindle, Kobo
12:29:27 <xiaoqian> ... it's rather mature
12:29:40 <xiaoqian> ... may also be applied on MiniApps, Games
12:30:55 <xiaoqian> yongqing: is it more often used offline or online?
12:31:05 <xiaoqian> zheng: it started from offline
12:31:12 <xiaoqian> ... so mainly offline
12:31:43 <xiaoqian> ... it's a ZIP, who is provides an entry point
12:31:53 <xiaoqian> ... progressive download
12:32:20 <xiaoqian> yongqing: on demand?
12:32:25 <xiaoqian> zheng: yes
12:32:32 <xiaoqian> ... ZIP is optional
12:32:43 <xiaoqian> ... the content can be hosted online
12:33:40 <xiaoqian> yongqing: can this be applied on content platforms?
12:33:52 <xiaoqian> zheng: good question
12:34:08 <xiaoqian> ... ePub is a format
12:34:15 <xiaoqian> ... pdf is also a format
12:34:30 <xfq> present+ Roy
12:34:42 <xiaoqian> ... if you are to put your content on the Kobo platform
12:34:48 <xiaoqian> ... it has to be ePub
12:35:14 <xiaoqian> ... ePub is HTML, rich content support, A11y support is good
12:35:27 <xiaoqian> ... CSS layout is mature
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12:36:23 <xiaoqian> dan: our manifest spec is similar on requirements
12:36:32 <xiaoqian> ... but not for packages
12:36:55 <xiaoqian> ... the reader in China are more open, mostly native
12:37:15 <xiaoqian> ... JS is a must, not for xml
12:37:30 <xiaoqian> ... there maybe sub-packages
12:37:50 <xiaoqian> ... difficult to align with ePub packages
12:37:52 <xfq> present+ xueyuan
12:38:17 <xiaoqian> zheng: agree, ePub packaging is more for dPub
12:38:31 <xiaoqian> ... the initial design is quite different
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12:38:58 <xiaoqian> ... we can start looking at the diffs and similarities now
12:39:29 <xiaoqian> ... let's take it as a starting point to work together
12:39:52 <xiaoqian> ... we can also talk with the ePub people about using MiniApps
12:40:24 <xiaoqian> ... I hope these concepts can be applied on musics, games, other online publishings
12:41:09 <xiaoqian> ... be more open minded on the use cases
12:41:19 <xiaoqian> ... ePub can be a reference
12:41:29 <xiaoqian> dan: understood
12:41:54 <xiaoqian> ... we can look at the use cases and requirements
12:42:33 <xiaoqian> yongjing: Q1, ePub package, is it more for indexing?
12:42:59 <xiaoqian> zheng: yes, that's one of the most important requirements
12:43:12 <xiaoqian> ... also includes manifest
12:43:45 <xiaoqian> yongqing: so the packaging is in the OCF spec?
12:43:49 <xiaoqian> zheng: exactly
12:44:41 <xiaoqian> [ePub packages <-> miniapp manifest, ePub OCF <-> miniapp packages]
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12:45:17 <xiaoqian> zheng: re security, MINE type is under consideration
12:46:19 <xiaoqian> yongjing: Integrity is important for MiniApp
12:46:36 <xiaoqian> tengyuan: @@
12:47:03 <xiaoqian> zheng: this is a long term issue
12:47:40 <xfq> s/@@/The distribution mode of miniapps is relatively scattered, and each platform distributes its own miniapps. How to unify? Does epub have relevant experience?/
12:48:42 <xfq> jeff: There are some tools that can convert other formats to epub
12:49:12 <xfq> ... But the conversion result is not ideal, it depends on the reading system
12:49:43 <xfq> ... For example, the rendering in kobo and ibooks may be different
12:49:57 <xfq> ... because of different levels of html support
12:50:14 <xfq> ... The ecosystem needs time to support
12:50:22 <xfq> ... I have joined the CG and WG
12:50:56 <xfq> ... If you have any questions, you can send an email to the mailing list or email me directly
12:51:19 <xfq> ... Can someone come to PCG to introduce MiniApps?
12:51:37 <xfq> xiaoqian: Where are PCG's members from
12:51:44 <xfq> jeff: @@
12:52:16 <xiaoqian> s/@@/mostly North America and EU
12:52:34 <xfq> ... I hope to expand the CG members, such as people in China and other Asian countries
12:52:51 <xfq> ... welcome to join PCG
12:53:24 <xfq> yongqing: Let’s discuss it offline and see if anyone can share it MiniApps in PCG
12:56:03 <xfq> jeff: How is MiniApps used outside of China?
12:56:32 <xfq> xfq: I’m not sure, we can communicate offline after investigating
12:58:00 <xfq> xiaoqian: At the CJK meeting, we also introduced miniapps in the field of automobiles and IoT
12:58:12 <xfq> yongqing: thank you
12:58:16 <xfq> ... any questions?
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12:58:42 <xfq> agenda?
12:58:56 <xfq> zakim, close this item
12:58:56 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
12:58:57 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:58:57 <Zakim> 2. Progress of Github Issue: TV [from xiaoqian]
12:59:11 <xfq> topic: ui components
13:00:36 <xfq> yongqing: @@
13:00:41 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
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13:01:56 <xfq> topic: tv
13:02:10 <xfq> QingAn: discussions on github
13:02:14 <xfq> ... has is not here today
13:02:22 <xfq> ... anyone have questions?
13:02:49 <xfq> topic: iot
13:03:14 <xfq> QingAn: There is no update at the moment, we can discuss it next time
13:03:38 <xfq> topic: aob
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