IRC log of wot-script on 2021-04-19

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Meeting: WoT Scripting API

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Cristiano_Aguzzi

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topic: previous minutes

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TOPIC: Previous minutes

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-> https://www.w3.org/2021/04/12-wot-script-minutes.html

11:07:24 [zkis]

present+ Zoltan_Kis

11:07:25 [kaz]

present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima, Zoltan_Kis

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s/topic: previous minutes//

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-> https://www.w3.org/2021/04/12-wot-script-minutes.html Apr-12

11:08:39 [cris]

daniel: last time we reviewed previous minutes from vf2f and regular meeting

11:09:02 [kaz]

i/last time/scribenick: cris/

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... we agreed to plan joint calls, but I still need to talk with each taskforce

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... then zoltan proposed to improvements to the discovery api. There's a PR in flight about it.

11:10:03 [cris]

... any objection to merge the minutes?

11:10:13 [cris]

zoltan: they are fine

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daniel: minutes approved

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topic: quickly updates

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daniel: other task forces are ready to publish updated versions of their documents

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... about the Scripting API document, it seems that there are no sensible updates so far

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zoltan: since we depend to other documents it is normal to be a little bit late

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... we can publish later

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daniel: yeah we can wait until other documents are more stable

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cris: +1 for posponing

11:12:57 [Mizushima]

+1

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mizushima: ok

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topic: open PRs

11:14:02 [cris]

daniel: zoltan update the discovery api, it is a substantial change

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... no more local

11:14:17 [cris]

zoltan: added direct

11:14:44 [cris]

daniel: it's similar to what we had a while ago (regarding direct)

11:14:58 [kaz]

i|daniel|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/316 PR 316 - Simplify discovery methods. Update examples.|

11:16:02 [cris]

... direct it's difficult to formalize because there are a lot of parameters that a user can provide (url parameters, headers ...)

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zoltan: right now url is just a filter

11:17:07 [cris]

... plain string, the runtime should check it to understand the address

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... cristiano also proposed to refactor the APIs using the methods instead of filters

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... it's another paradigm more from js frameworks

11:19:00 [cris]

... in the web platform is more usual to use filters

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daniel: direct method could be a lot

11:19:40 [cris]

... can we support api to undarstand if we support coap/http direct?

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zoltan: we can't control the binding here

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daniel: in node wot we had a method to fetch method, that cause some problems

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zoltan: in ocf direct method is well-formalized even parameters

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... we should support

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... it

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daniel: ok, I'll check the PR later and we can discuss the new api design later

11:22:18 [cris]

zoltan: I was concerned about having an API that fit the current discovery spec, we refactor later

11:23:28 [cris]

zoltan: I also have a PR (closed) for 'once' subscription method. keep it mind and provide feedback if any

11:23:59 [cris]

daniel: kinda supported, you can unsubscribe right after the first event

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topic: Issues

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topic: subtopic taskforce related issue

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s/topic: subtopic/subtopic:/

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daniel: I create issues to capture discussion topics for each defined joint call with other taskforces.

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s/create/created/

11:26:24 [kaz]

rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/19-wot-script-minutes.html kaz

11:26:42 [cris]

zoltan: the discussion list for TD taskforce looks good

11:27:14 [cris]

daniel: about discovery we have discovery methods, streaming TDs, and fetching mechanisms

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... fetching is a broad topic

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zoltan: I would raname it to something else

11:28:49 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/19-wot-script-minutes.html kaz

11:29:13 [kaz]

Chair: Daniel

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/19-wot-script-minutes.html kaz

11:29:19 [cris]

cris: what about just fetch?

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... I opened an issue about it in the discovery repo

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daniel: added

11:30:50 [kaz]

i|the discussion list for TD|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/313 Issue 313 - ThingDescription TaskForce related issues #313|

11:31:44 [kaz]

i|about discovery|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/314 Issue 314 - Discovery TaskForce related issues|

11:31:48 [cris]

... streaming is another big issue

11:31:54 [kaz]

s/raname/rename/

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/19-wot-script-minutes.html kaz

11:32:21 [cris]

cris: yeah it's an hot topic in the Discovery TF

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daniel: I remember that mccool was discussing about field order when streaming

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zoltan: it seems out-of-topic for us

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daniel: we could allow clients to streaming tds

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s/to/to request for/

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daniel: another topic, we discovery can select pieces of TDs

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s/we/with discovery/

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zoltan: yes please add it

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cris: yeah, I think it has higher priority than streaming

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zoltan: I would remove the first topic

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daniel: ok

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zoltan: cause those are the real question

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daniel: we could try to join next week discovery call

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zoltan: the earlier the better

11:40:39 [cris]

daniel: let's set the meeting for the 26th of April

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zoltan: should we do also the security call?

11:41:05 [cris]

daniel: it's ok

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zoltan: it's like a big scripting call 3 hours with one hour of break

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daniel: yeah it's good

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daniel: about the security joint call

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... there are two topics managment api and choose the security scheme

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... kinda related

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zoltan: that's off topic

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daniel: I know

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zoltan: should we try to draft this management api before the call

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daniel: we could start from the node-wot

11:46:01 [cris]

... in the discovery they started from a TD

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... we could do the same

11:46:32 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/19-wot-script-minutes.html kaz

11:46:34 [cris]

zoltan: I have to think about it, I would be cautions

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cris: I'm afraid that some managment methods should never be called remotely

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... so I am not sure that starting from a TD is the best way forward

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... we could have a TD after

11:49:06 [cris]

... but still we can look to node-wot as a starting point

11:49:33 [kaz]

i|I am afraid|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/298 Issue 298 - Requirements for Managment APIs|

11:49:35 [cris]

zoltan: we have a lot of different deployment methods: docker, web assembly, web manifest etc.

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... it's onboarding I described it in the architecture

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... basically a device has two mode (one for provisioning and one for runtime)

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cris: I would say that providing a draft of the management API it's beneficial

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daniel: I don't think we have time to define it

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zoltan: we don't even have good use cases

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... I am more concerned with the discovery.

11:54:32 [cris]

cris: we could start from security use case that we had for the managment api

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... I can "formalize" it

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zoltan: we could start from it, write code and than switch to the runtime mode

11:58:37 [cris]

... ExposeThing is already at managment level api.

12:00:06 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/19-wot-script-minutes.html kaz

12:00:22 [cris]

daniel: ok time is up, let's try to move forward and set up the minutes

12:00:49 [cris]

... please zoltan could you ask mccool

12:00:58 [cris]

zoltan: yeah we can disccus also in the main call

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