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13:52:54 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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13:53:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:53:00 <trackbot> Date: 15 April 2021
13:53:03 <agendabot> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Apr/0002.html
13:53:03 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:53:03 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:53:03 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:53:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:53:08 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:53:10 <agendabot> agenda+ String-meta "unnatural language text"
13:53:13 <agendabot> agenda+ Shadow DOM and Bidi
13:53:15 <agendabot> agenda+ Directionality of number sequences
13:53:17 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:54:52 <addison> regrets+ Bert
13:57:09 <addison> present+ Addison, Fuqiao
13:57:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:57:25 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillip
13:57:31 <addison> s/Phillip/Phillips
13:57:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:58:51 <addison> scribenick: addison
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14:00:27 <JcK> present+ JcK
14:00:45 <addison> present+ Felix
14:01:21 <addison> present+ Richard
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14:01:32 <fsasaki> present+
14:01:36 <addison> present+ Atsushi
14:02:43 <r12a> agenda+ Article style redesign
14:03:45 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:03:45 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:03:49 <addison> agenda?
14:04:28 <xfq> scribe+
14:04:28 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:04:28 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:38 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:05:26 <xfq> addison: had some interactions with Mark
14:05:36 <addison> action-1014?
14:05:37 <trackbot> action-1014 -- Richard Ishida to Reopen csswg 5570 against cascade-4/5 -- due 2021-04-15 -- OPEN
14:05:37 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1014
14:05:45 <xfq> r12a: I left a message on the thread asking fantasai
14:05:49 <addison> richard: left a message for fantasai to change the label
14:05:53 <addison> close action-1014
14:05:54 <trackbot> Closed action-1014.
14:06:16 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:06:16 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:06:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:07:13 <r12a> agenda+ RTL text and number sequences
14:07:24 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:07:24 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:07:33 <addison> agenda- 10
14:07:44 <addison> agenda?
14:07:56 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
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14:08:50 <xfq> addison: moving EPUB to "Awaiting comment resolution"
14:09:14 <addison> agenda?
14:09:37 <xfq> r12a: got an invitation from Ian to join a channel
14:09:52 <xfq> ... are we supposed to be meeting with the Payments folks?
14:10:05 <xfq> addison: in an hour
14:11:16 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:11:16 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Article style redesign -- taken up [from r12a]
14:14:45 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-http-and-lang.en
14:15:08 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-html-dir.en
14:15:30 <xfq> r12a: I happen to be looking at this article ^
14:15:48 <xfq> ...  it's out of date
14:16:08 <xfq> ... I thought about logical properties
14:16:24 <xfq> ... the stylesheet could be updated
14:16:24 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/style/new/top.png
14:16:32 <xfq> ... talked with Kenzo today
14:16:41 <xfq> ... this is what I came up with ^
14:16:43 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/style/new/top.png
14:16:57 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-http-and-lang.en
14:17:19 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/style/new/middle.png
14:17:25 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/style/new/bottom.png
14:17:31 <xfq> r12a: I wonder if I should go ahead and make those changes
14:17:46 <xfq> ... or whether you need a bit more time to look at it
14:17:58 <xfq> ... try to reduce the distraction
14:18:02 <xfq> ... especially the top of the page
14:18:13 <xfq> ... the new style shouldn't be hard to implement
14:18:20 <xfq> ... should be just a question of changing the stylesheet
14:18:28 <xfq> addison: it looks pretty
14:18:28 <atsushi> +1
14:18:32 <fsasaki> +1
14:18:33 <xfq> ... i like it
14:18:39 <xfq> ... any objections?
14:18:44 <xfq> <xfq> +1
14:19:04 <fsasaki> q+
14:19:09 <addison> action: richard: fix stylesheets using logical properties etc.
14:19:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1016 - Fix stylesheets using logical properties etc. [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-04-22].
14:19:15 <addison> zak fsasaki
14:19:18 <xfq> r12a: i'll fix all the stylesheets and the logical properties at the same time
14:19:19 <addison> ack fasasakki
14:19:31 <addison> ack fsasaki
14:19:48 <xfq> ack f
14:19:48 <xfq> fsasaki: @@
14:19:59 <xfq> r12a: inline-start, block-end etc.
14:20:08 <addison> agenda?
14:20:21 <fsasaki> s/@@/which logical properties will be used/
14:20:42 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:20:42 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Directionality of number sequences -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:21:05 <xfq> r12a: did you have a look at it?
14:21:06 <xfq> addison: I did
14:21:23 <addison> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/arabic/#expressions
14:21:23 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/arabic/#expressions
14:22:30 <xfq> ... i found myself thinking perhaps we should have an article or add this into string-meta
14:22:38 <xfq> ... this is a large block of text
14:23:07 <xfq> r12a: this is in one of my articles about writing systems
14:23:28 <xfq> s/... i found /r12a: i found /
14:23:50 <xfq> r12a: the order is controlled by the solidus
14:24:06 <xfq> ... the direction cannot be changed using RLM
14:24:27 <xfq> ... Solidus, colon, etc.
14:25:12 <xfq> addison: zero width space doesn't break the run
14:25:36 <xfq> ... you might be able to use it
14:26:28 <xfq> r12a: wrt hyphen, it depends on what hyphen you're talking about
14:26:40 <xfq> ... ascii hyphen vs. Unicode hyphen
14:26:46 <xfq> ... behavior is different
14:26:56 <xfq> ... the reason is because of the minus thing
14:27:22 <xfq> JcK: makes sense
14:28:03 <xfq> ... go back and look at my notes hyphen was chosen rather than solidus
14:29:19 <xfq> r12a: if you use an american date use ISO order
14:30:14 <xfq> addison: ISO 8601 is a serialization format
14:30:24 <xfq> r12a: not for syntactic stuff
14:30:28 <xfq> ... it's for people to read
14:31:06 <xfq> JcK: 8601 is a presentation format as well as a serialization format
14:31:09 <addison> 2021-04-15T15:16:17+00:00
14:31:21 <xfq> ... many systems does not use that to store data
14:32:20 <xfq> r12a: we need to join the Payments meeting now
14:32:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/15-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:34:18 <xfq> addison: are there other things we need to do this week?
14:34:39 <xfq> ... we can read r12a's article and come back next week
14:34:52 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:34:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/15-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:35:54 <addison> Topic: AOB?
14:36:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:36:15 <addison> (joining payment requests call)
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14:42:27 <JcK> What is their IRC channel name?  Went by too quickly
14:42:35 <atsushi> #wpwg
14:43:10 <JcK> thanks
14:54:12 <addison> action: addison: send wpwg list of specs that implement lang/dir
14:54:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1017 - Send wpwg list of specs that implement lang/dir [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-04-22].
15:03:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:03:27 <addison> zakim, who is here?
15:03:27 <Zakim> Present: Addison, Fuqiao, JcK, Felix, Richard, fsasaki, Atsushi
15:03:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see fsasaki, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, atsushi, Bert, fantasai, bigbluehat, florian, agendabot, hadleybeeman, hsivonen, Mek_, astearns, cwilso, sangwhan,
15:03:29 <Zakim> ... cbiesinger, koji, trackbot
15:03:34 <addison> zakim, bye
15:03:34 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Fuqiao, JcK, Felix, Richard, fsasaki, Atsushi
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15:03:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:04:14 <addison> action: addison: establish rotating scribe list and add it to the agenda
15:04:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1018 - Establish rotating scribe list and add it to the agenda [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-04-22].
15:04:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:04:45 <r12a> Addison, ZWSP Bidirectional category:	BN - Boundary neutral
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