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13:44:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:44:05 <trackbot> Date: 15 April 2021
13:46:08 <Rain> agenda: this
13:46:33 <Rain> agenda+ Review the todo lists at https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Priorities,_schedules_and_Work
13:46:53 <Rain> agenda?
13:47:36 <Rain> agenda- images subgroup at https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/140aQM0BGbt9YE1Ehb3i1mIzJOxcxQerEgIaFbvOCols/edit#slide=id.p
13:47:39 <Rain> agenda
13:47:43 <Rain> agenda?
13:48:37 <Roy> zakim, clear agenda
13:48:37 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:48:41 <Roy> agenda+ Review the todo lists at https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Priorities,_schedules_and_Work
13:50:26 <Rain> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2021Apr/0027.html
13:51:28 <Roy> s/https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2021Apr/0027.html//
13:51:35 <Rain> agenda+ resolve definitions for voice user interface and Integrated Voice Menus https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2021Apr/0027.html
13:51:56 <Rain> agenda?
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13:52:11 <Rain> agenda+ Steve review the online design
13:52:33 <Rain> agenda+ What are the next steps for reaching out to the communities to find out what patterns they feel is useful and what else they would like to see? (Can we set some actions items?)
13:52:42 <Rain> agenda?
13:53:21 <Rain> agenda+ (if time) Scope for mental health research module
13:54:04 <Rain> agenda+ Groups for mental health
13:54:12 <Rain> agenda?
13:54:49 <Rain> agenda+ Recruiting for Mental health (and setting action items)
13:54:55 <Rain> agenda?
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13:58:03 <EA> I am getting an error when I want to join the meeting and I know I am meant to be scribing https://www.w3.org/2017/08/telecon-info_coga
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13:59:56 <Rain> chair: Rain Michaels
14:00:29 <EA> Thnak you Roy
14:00:35 <Rain> agenda?
14:00:36 <stevelee> present+
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14:02:52 <Jennie> scribe: Jennie
14:03:28 <Jennie> Zakim, next item
14:03:28 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Review the todo lists at https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Priorities,_schedules_and_Work -- taken up [from Roy]
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14:03:39 <krisannekinney> present +
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14:04:10 <Jennie> Rain: Does everyone feel confident that this list represents how we would like to work for the next year?
14:04:27 <Jennie> ...Priority 1: the 1st priority is research
14:04:27 <EA> can scribe if needed
14:04:33 <Jennie> *go for it! Thank you!
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14:04:48 <EA> I am ready
14:04:57 <Jennie> EA: scribe
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14:05:01 <Roy> chair: Rain
14:05:05 <JustineP> present+
14:05:33 <EA> Web version for content usable - wiki pages and testable statements as a trial for some of the elements as well. Groups to be priorised
14:05:55 <kirkwood> Present+
14:06:02 <EA> Comments requested for Priority 1
14:06:19 <Rain> q?
14:06:23 <stevelee> q+
14:06:58 <MichaelC> present+
14:07:13 <EA> Steve working on the web version - working with WAI group
14:07:34 <EA> Jennie asked if this means priorities need to be adjusted
14:07:44 <Roy> RRSAgent, make minutes
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14:07:47 <EA> Steve asked if this needed to be made explicit
14:07:55 <EA> EO and WAI group closely related
14:08:04 <hdv> present+
14:08:30 <Roy> scribe: EA
14:09:00 <Rain> Based on stevelee's point: P2 under groups to: P2: EO (WAI), rqtf (APA) Diversity
14:09:27 <EA> WAI website as umbrella term
14:09:27 <Rain> P2: EO (WAI websites), rqtf (APA) Diversity
14:10:11 <EA> Rain asked for agreement
14:10:33 <EA> Rain has made the update
14:11:44 <EA> Rain move on to Priority 2 Nov 2021 - research updating and reviewing.  Issue paper for wayfinding - issue paper conversational interfaces etc.
14:12:11 <EA> More on the patterns and personas then in future - 2022 - publishing more issue papers
14:13:04 <EA> Rain went on to say there were more items on the wish list - all available on the wiki with aim to publish next version of content usable.
14:13:10 <EA> Any comments
14:13:12 <Rain> q?
14:13:25 <stevelee> ack steve Lisa
14:13:29 <stevelee> q?
14:13:36 <stevelee> ack: steve Lisa
14:13:41 <Jennie> ack Steve
14:13:44 <Jennie> Ack Lisa
14:13:45 <Roy> ack st
14:13:45 <Roy> ack li
14:14:20 <Fazio> defer
14:14:25 <EA> Rain asked if anyone felt we should discuss the priorities and then to publich date for content usable or defer
14:14:25 <JustineP> agree deter
14:14:27 <JustineP> defer
14:14:53 <EA> Michael Cooper asked for a time line.
14:15:09 <EA> David asked what else was going to be added other than mental health.
14:15:58 <EA> Rain suggested testable items and asked if Lisa's return next week wa OK in terms of deferring on the date
14:17:13 <EA> Rain felt that the preference was to defer - mentioned the date of April 2022 being the aim with the research has to be done - revisit in November 2021 when we know how it is going
14:17:14 <Albert> q+
14:17:26 <Rain> ack Albert
14:17:54 <EA> Albert in answer to David's question - how is the workload that is given to the group
14:18:21 <EA> Albert added do we need to have other items other than mental health
14:18:53 <EA> David confirmed that the research will take up time and the testable statements will also need work. But deadlines are important
14:19:15 <EA> Steve suggested that planning is needed and how we work with other groups and the web version.
14:19:38 <EA> David suggested narrow the focus and see which issues need to be seen as priorities
14:19:39 <Albert> Thank you!
14:20:00 <EA> Rain said that at the moment we must concentrate on the high level priorities
14:20:44 <Rain> Proposal for timeline: currently aiming to publish next version in April 2022, timeline to be revisited in November 2021 after we have a better sense from research of what is involved (pending Lisa's input)
14:21:10 <EA> +1
14:21:13 <Fazio> +1
14:21:14 <kirkwood> +1
14:21:15 <Albert> +1
14:21:16 <JustineP> +1
14:21:17 <krisannekinney> +1
14:21:22 <Jennie> +1
14:22:44 <Rain> q?
14:23:00 <EA> Rain has updated the Timeline and is now asking about being happy to move forward with the priorities for April 2021-April 2022
14:23:14 <kirkwood> Voting on these priorities could we be more specific in irc
14:23:22 <Jennie> q+
14:24:18 <EA> Jennie asked for confirmation about some of the priorities - a single testable statementA single
14:24:48 <Rain> singles testable statment as trial -- change to "a single testable statement as a trial"
14:24:53 <Jennie> ack Jennie
14:25:00 <kirkwood> +1
14:25:02 <JustineP> +1
14:25:03 <Jennie> +1
14:25:04 <Albert> +1 thank you for pointing it out Jennie
14:25:06 <EA> +1
14:25:09 <krisannekinney> +1
14:25:24 <EA> Rain has made the change to the document
14:26:10 <EA> Priority 1 3 groups - next 6 mths - research section has three items
14:26:15 <Rain> Priority 1 research: review methodology and process for mental health research module or issue paper - recruit Reach out to different communities for updates on preferred techniques Mental health reaserch module (longer than 6 months)
14:26:47 <Jennie> +1
14:26:48 <JustineP> +1
14:26:48 <Albert> +1
14:26:50 <kirkwood> +1
14:26:51 <Fazio> +1
14:26:51 <EA> +1
14:26:56 <cweidner> +1
14:27:06 <EA> But it is liable to be longer than 6 months...
14:27:07 <krisannekinney> +1
14:27:34 <Rain> Priority 1 bits: web version for content usable wikipages, and housekeeping a single testable statement as a trial
14:27:50 <Rain> q?
14:27:54 <EA> What is the time scale?
14:28:06 <JustineP> What does housekeeping refer to?
14:28:24 <Rain> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YH4YETBmAdhfL9p8FK5ATUiXDGibeJh66psQCSUAvLQ/edit#gid=0
14:29:04 <JustineP> Thank you for clarifying!
14:29:33 <EA> Rain mentioned there is a need to clarify the issues around the housekeeping related to issues and open comments
14:29:37 <Rain> Propose changing this bit: "wikipages, and housekeeping" to "wikipages, and housekeeping (cleaning up issues and resolving remaining open comments)"
14:29:57 <Jennie> +1
14:30:01 <EA> +1
14:30:01 <JustineP> +1
14:30:12 <Albert> +1
14:30:13 <cweidner> +1
14:30:14 <krisannekinney> +1
14:30:14 <kirkwood> +1
14:30:24 <EA> I think this is going to be hard to plan if it is so loosely worded
14:30:44 <Rain> q?
14:31:03 <Rain> q?
14:31:13 <Rain> Priority 1 bits: Bits  web version for content usable wikipages, and housekeeping (cleaning up issues and resolving remaining open comments) a single testable statement as a trial
14:31:36 <JustineP> +1
14:31:41 <Jennie> +1
14:31:47 <Fazio> +1
14:31:49 <Rain> +1
14:31:49 <kirkwood> +1
14:31:50 <EA> Do we know how many open comments there are going to be?
14:31:50 <krisannekinney> +1
14:32:14 <EA> It takes such a long time to resolve these sometimes
14:32:22 <EA> Yes +1
14:33:03 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22review+for+next+version%22
14:33:08 <Rain> wikipages, and housekeeping (cleaning up issues and resolving remaining open comments marked as review for next version from the December 2020 working draft)
14:33:37 <Rain> q+
14:33:38 <EA> Rain asked for consensus for the change
14:33:43 <Rain> ack Rain
14:33:48 <Rain> q?
14:33:52 <krisannekinney> +1
14:33:58 <Jennie> +1
14:33:58 <cweidner> +1
14:33:59 <Fazio> +1
14:34:06 <EA> +1
14:34:10 <kirkwood> 0
14:34:10 <JustineP> +1
14:34:30 <EA> I think it is hard to make a decision about something we have not seen!!!
14:34:46 <Albert> 0 same reason as John
14:35:48 <Rain> wikipages, and housekeeping (cleaning up issues and resolving remaining open comments marked as review for next version from the December 2020 working draft, as well as any comments we consider high priority that come in afterwards)
14:36:01 <JustineP> Really like that addition!
14:36:08 <EA> +1
14:36:12 <kirkwood> +1
14:36:15 <JustineP> +1
14:36:15 <Rain> q?
14:36:19 <krisannekinney> +1
14:36:22 <Jennie> +1
14:36:27 <Albert> +1
14:36:51 <Rain> A third of the time (approx) we will be working with groups. This included: * P1: Silver, AG, APA * P2: EO (WAI website), rqtf (APA) Diversity * P3: Internationalisation and others
14:37:02 <EA> Rain moved on to groups for Priority 1 1/3 of time spent working with groups above
14:37:21 <Rain> q?
14:37:51 <Rain> q?
14:37:53 <kirkwood> +1
14:37:54 <cweidner> +1
14:37:57 <Fazio> +1
14:38:00 <Albert> +1
14:38:06 <JustineP> +1
14:38:10 <krisannekinney> q+
14:38:24 <Rain> ack: kris
14:38:28 <Rain> q?
14:38:31 <Fazio> yes
14:39:14 <EA> Kris Anne asked if were not already working with the majoity of these groups and now just collaborating with Silver.
14:39:49 <EA> Do we need to add time to consider how we are working with them and how it affect the timeline and planning?
14:40:47 <EA> Rain confirmed that this was an acknowledgement of who we are collaborating with and the need to define this activity
14:41:10 <EA> Out of scope to ask how we collaborate but can consider this later
14:41:34 <EA> David mentioned XAUR and RAUR need to be looked at for comments
14:42:05 <Rain> q?
14:42:14 <krisannekinney> ack k
14:42:20 <EA> Rain asked if there were any further requests to change the wording
14:42:26 <krisannekinney> +1
14:42:29 <Fazio> we have 2 weeks to get in XAUR comments
14:43:17 <Rain> Priority 2, research: Reaserch  Research: Updating and Review Research Modules so it can be published. Issue Paper for wayfinding and Collaborate with authors of Accessible Way-Finding using Web Technologies. Issue Paper for conversational interfaces getting Research module published
14:43:28 <EA> General ageement on the Priority 1 list so moved on to Priority 2
14:43:50 <Rain> q?
14:44:31 <Rain> q?
14:44:38 <Jennie> q+
14:44:48 <EA> Rain queried whether they were going to be published or just lead to significant work
14:44:51 <Rain> ack Jennie
14:45:28 <EA> Jennie asked if the sub bullets should be demoted or includes waiting from more content
14:45:44 <EA> Rain is fixing the formats so they are seen as sub bullets
14:46:41 <Jennie> *thanks for clarifying! Sorry - looked away for a moment
14:46:49 <Jennie> +1
14:47:02 <krisannekinney> +1
14:47:07 <EA> Rain asked if there were any negatives for Priority 2 issues as published
14:47:34 <EA> Priority 2 research and issue papers
14:49:27 <EA> Rain mentioned running out of time so rolling forward Steve's agenda item
14:50:58 <Rain> '''Research and Issue Papers ''' * Research: Update and Review Existing Research Modules and publish them  * Issue Paper for wayfinding and Collaborate with authors of Accessible Way-Finding using Web Technologies * Issue Paper for conversational interfaces (begin work on this issue paper and scope for future completion)
14:51:24 <kirkwood> +1
14:51:34 <Rain> q?
14:51:35 <EA> +1 much clearer
14:51:51 <krisannekinney> +1
14:51:52 <JustineP> +1
14:51:56 <Jennie> +1
14:52:13 <Rain> q?
14:52:46 <EA> Rain is submitting the change and moving on to Agenda item 2
14:53:22 <EA> Priority 1 and Priority 2 research and issue papers agreed but the other items will be rolled over
14:53:28 <Rain>  resolve definitions for voice user interface and Integrated Voice Menus
14:53:37 <Rain> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2021Apr/0027.html
14:54:19 <Rain> Voice user interfaces (VUIs) allow the user to interact with a computer system through voice and speech
14:54:36 <Rain> Proposed change: "Voice user interfaces (VUIs) allow the user to interact with a computer system through voice input and output"
14:54:38 <EA> There is a reason for having speech and voice
14:54:58 <Jennie> +1
14:55:12 <Rain> "Voice user interfaces (VUIs) allow the user to interact with a computer system through speech and voice input and output"
14:55:46 <Rain> straw poll for three options:
14:55:46 <Jennie> Is it speech output?
14:56:07 <EA> You can just interact with a sound but also with speech
14:56:13 <Rain> option 1,  Original: Voice user interfaces (VUIs) allow the user to interact with a computer system through voice and speech
14:56:32 <Jennie> q+
14:56:33 <Rain> option 2, proposed change: interact with a computer system through voice input and output
14:57:09 <Rain> option 3, something new: Voice user interfaces (VUIs) allow the user to interact with a computer system through speech, sounds, and voice input and output
14:57:29 <Jennie> ack Jennie
14:57:44 <EA> q+
14:58:23 <Jennie> *Apologies, have to drop for another meeting
14:59:08 <Fazio> voice over does
15:02:04 <EA> Rain will resolve the issue by sending it to the list
15:02:09 <Albert> Thank you Rain
15:02:40 <Roy> RRSAgent, make minutes
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15:43:55 <Rain> agenda?
15:45:35 <Rain> rrsagent, please part
15:45:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items