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15:55:58 <sarahhorton> Meeting: Silver Errors Subgroup
15:56:03 <sarahhorton> present:
15:56:08 <sarahhorton> chair: sarahhorton
15:56:12 <sarahhorton> present+
15:56:18 <sarahhorton> zakim, clear agenda
15:56:18 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:56:25 <sarahhorton> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:56:42 <sarahhorton> agenda+ Review April Tasks and assign tasks
15:56:50 <sarahhorton> agenda+ Review progress on Error Prevention tests (Dean)
15:56:58 <sarahhorton> agenda+ Discuss “all use” functional needs; review progress assigning to individual functional needs on Error User Needs Worksheet
15:57:06 <sarahhorton> agenda+ Discuss reinstating working meetings
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16:07:18 <srayos> present+
16:07:53 <srayos> Agenda?
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16:08:19 <srayos> Zakim, takeup next
16:08:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'takeup next', srayos
16:08:29 <srayos> Zakim, take up next
16:08:29 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Review April Tasks and assign tasks -- taken up [from sarahhorton]
16:09:46 <srayos> Sarah reviews Basecamp tasks for April
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16:10:54 <Todd> present+
16:12:41 <srayos> Task 1: Heartbeat Publication - need content update collaborating with Jeanne for deadlines and sharing with group for edits
16:13:17 <srayos> Task 2: Review updated WCAG3 writing guidance
16:14:18 <srayos> Task 3: Work on exceptions so that when we have an outcome such as 'provide an error notification when user receives an error', review the minutes doc and write an exception
16:15:34 <srayos> Task 4: Review Github templates so that we can understand procedures for having a repo and creating PRs as needed
16:15:56 <srayos> Task 5: Work on error prevention tests (will come back to this)
16:16:12 <sarahhorton> regrets: Shannon
16:16:46 <srayos> Task 6: Revisit "all-use" functional needs. Shannon is looking into this one. Details in Basecamp comments.
16:17:08 <srayos> Task 7: Map tests to user needs in guidelines outlines
16:17:23 <srayos> Task 8: Map notification and contingencies tests to user needs
16:18:19 <srayos> Sarah has been working thru Tasks 7 & 8
16:19:51 <srayos> Stacey will take lead on Task 1, Task 4, and Task 5 with Dean's help on Tasks 4 & 5.
16:21:12 <srayos> Todd is working on monitoring Github issues but has not heard back from Jeanne. Issue still exists. Todd will continue to monitor the Github issues.
16:21:46 <srayos> Todd was added to the regular participant list on the Wiki page.
16:22:04 <srayos> Stacey was added to the regular participant list on the Wiki page.
16:22:26 <srayos> Zakim, take up next
16:22:26 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review progress on Error Prevention tests (Dean) -- taken up [from sarahhorton]
16:23:19 <srayos> Error Prevention tests, Dean and Sarah describe the 'Error User Needs Worksheet' spreadsheet
16:24:31 <srayos> Referring to the Template for Content Creation Process document
16:25:18 <srayos> Worksheet has outcomes and user needs defined, this is our data source in terms of insight and progress
16:26:03 <sarahhorton> Process document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z3qUKZBZkZ17ghWXJouOTZDWFawZyGdlTAiQPd6HnVM/edit#heading=h.d1c3fncrzgne
16:26:17 <sarahhorton> Develop tests: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gfYAiV2Z-FA_kEHYlLV32J8ClNEGPxRgSIohu3gUHEA/edit#
16:27:01 <srayos> Use the documents provided above to write tests
16:29:46 <srayos> Sarah is working on mapping the tests.
16:31:08 <srayos> Need to take these tests and turn them into tests specific for WCAG 3 (refer to WCAG 3 FPWD, 7.4, Method, Tests) Documentation
16:31:15 <sarahhorton> Example of tests: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG3/2020/methods/relevant-headings/
16:32:01 <srayos> What format do we use now as we write the tests?
16:32:41 <sarahhorton> Errors Guidelines Outline: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JEMptWtJ68pxrlbBukcUi5zwTrDNhftfOCCpN8ehET4/edit
16:33:49 <srayos> Add tests to the document linked above.
16:34:53 <srayos> (Sarah)There's a lot of guidance. We write the tests and update the scoring rubric to share with Silver.
16:36:02 <srayos> Focus on Prevention tests tab in the spreadsheet.
16:37:23 <srayos> Example - with Instructions persist, test could be if the placeholder text is present but disappears on focus; that would be a failure of the criteria
16:40:25 <srayos> Work on live example: In Errors Guidelines Outline, Instructions Persist: Test case: For each form input that has instructions, ensure that instructions are visible at all times. Test case: For any form input that includes placeholder text, ensure the instructions are also provided in a format that is visible at all times.
16:48:06 <srayos> We can add backend solutions to methods, where applicable as well.
16:51:38 <srayos> If anyone wants to 'take a stab' at writing the tests up, the more the merrier.
16:52:22 <srayos> zakim, take up next
16:52:22 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Discuss “all use” functional needs; review progress assigning to individual functional needs on Error User Needs Worksheet -- taken up [from sarahhorton]
16:52:27 <sarahhorton> Github issue: https://github.com/w3c/silver/issues/473
16:53:03 <srayos> Skipping agenda item 3 today.
16:53:36 <srayos> Reviewing Email: Feedback on wcag 3.0 (How-To Design) from jspellman on Basecamp
16:55:40 <srayos> Todd: without seeing the visible examples referenced in the email, it seems... that this is a usability issue for the editors
16:56:21 <srayos> Sarah: It has been sent to us to help out for a response since we are working on content now.
16:57:02 <srayos> Sarah: We will pick this up next week on the call and collectively work on it.
16:57:35 <srayos> Todd and Sarah will ask Jeanne S. for the screenshots again.
16:58:00 <srayos> Zakim, take up next
16:58:00 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Discuss reinstating working meetings -- taken up [from sarahhorton]
16:58:55 <srayos> Sarah: Do we want to start having working sessions again? Two hours, Zoom, come and go as available
17:02:49 <srayos> Working sessions will resume on Fridays from 10am-11:30am EST beginning 4/23/21.
17:03:29 <sarahhorton> Errors wiki: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Error_Handling
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