IRC log of matf on 2021-04-08
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- Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 08 April 2021
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- #mobile-a11y
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- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bsze5rAu-6tkWBTGyrcm4tdsGvZAaEBBUCDsQZngl2k/edit#gid=39173941
- 15:12:21 [Kim_patch]
- Taking a look at the exercise we've done – first Step in moving the SEs to 3.0
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- Jake: talking about user needs in the abstract, then applying to orientation – two specific needs.
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- Jake: user need that might be less specific but not too generic
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- Detlev: user needs – apply general functional user needs?
- 15:17:22 [Kim_patch]
- Jake: no
- 15:18:37 [Kim_patch]
- Jake: you can say users can operate content, that's very generic. You can also say users Operate content effectively, Users can interact with content. How far do you want to go with user needs. These are already part of the draft document. I just have a lot of trouble giving them the same value of granularity.
- 15:18:57 [Kim_patch]
- Jake: not too specific, not too generic, spot on. This is for keyboard accessibility, for navigable for keyboard
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- Detlev: so is it that you have a broader user need and then you look at the aspects of keyboard operation, speech and so on or Hierarchy – I still don't understand
- 15:20:07 [Kim_patch]
- Jake: they will probably be tags. So you can just select for filter by input modalities. Success criteria of input modalities user needs should be precedent as opposed to what we have now the benefits. What we do not have right now in success criteria is which general set of user needs or which user needs are present for success criteria in which functional needs are covered – is not there yet
- 15:20:31 [Kim_patch]
- Detlev: it seems for most success criteria they are focused on either single user needs, Colorblindness or keyboard accessibility
- 15:21:18 [Kim_patch]
- Jake: that's not a user need, that's a functional ability. They are functional performance statements they are not User needs.Functional needs list is different from user needs list. Outcome is more like functional need with user needs behind it. Functional need, more personal user needs. They just should be clear
- 15:21:46 [Kim_patch]
- Jake: functional needs list used without vision, then Blindness, peripheral vision
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- Detlev: so functional needs independent of disability
- 15:22:20 [Kim_patch]
- Jake: Yes but there should be a mapping
- 15:22:35 [Kim_patch]
- Jake: context different user needs – you have different needs when the light is off than when the light is on if you are not blind
- 15:26:22 [JakeAbma]
- https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/#collected-user-needs
- 15:26:33 [JakeAbma]
- http://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/user-needs-restructure/fast/index.html#collected-user-needs
- 16:10:02 [Kim_patch]
- Some Existing SCs – many of these user needs would apply
- 16:10:51 [Kim_patch]
- Detlev: five guidelines that have been ported over are different granularities
- 16:10:56 [Kim_patch]
- Detlev: would be interesting to see the full granularity of atomic requirements and see how they might map into different groupings, four principles, but also input method, maybe aria labels
- 16:11:41 [Kim_patch]
- ACTION: Jake to do the exercise for the remaining 2 Mobile SC's on the spreadsheet
- 16:11:41 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-96 - Do the exercise for the remaining 2 mobile sc's on the spreadsheet [on Jake Abma - due 2021-04-15].
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- NOTE the change in IRC channel – it's now MATF
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- chair: Kimberly_Patch
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