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13:00:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:00:24 <trackbot> Date: 08 April 2021
13:00:25 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda?
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13:33:03 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+ updates on publications
13:33:12 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+ RTQC
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13:56:43 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+ resonce to real time comunication :https://docs.google.com/document/d/19-aB1v8f9BGNeSoedbFrn2HgxR4TDpSpeu7NHm8YO_g/edit#
13:57:13 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+ images subgroup at https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/140aQM0BGbt9YE1Ehb3i1mIzJOxcxQerEgIaFbvOCols/edit#slide=id.p
13:57:27 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+ working with divercity
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14:00:16 <Albert> present+
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14:03:35 <LisaSeemanKest> scribe: john kirkwood
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14:03:43 <krisannekinney> present+
14:03:53 <stevelee> present+
14:04:23 <LisaSeemanKest> zakim, next item
14:04:25 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- updates on publications -- taken up [from LisaSeemanKest]
14:04:35 <Rachael> present+
14:04:55 <LisaSeemanKest> scribe: stevelee
14:05:03 <stevelee> scribe steve
14:05:09 <stevelee> scribe: steve
14:05:17 <stevelee> scribe: stevelee
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14:06:47 <LisaSeemanKest> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/coga/consistency_checks/content-usable/index.html#make-each-step-clear-pattern
14:07:17 <Rachael> q+
14:07:46 <stevelee> should the pattern name have (pattern at the end)
14:07:48 <stevelee> q+
14:07:56 <Rachael> q-
14:08:16 <stevelee> rachael: we decided should be consistent.
14:10:14 <LisaSeemanKest> thank you!
14:10:40 <LisaSeemanKest> leve as is
14:10:42 <johnkirkwood> present+
14:10:43 <LisaSeemanKest> +1
14:11:18 <LisaSeemanKest> zakim, take up item 3
14:11:18 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- resonce to real time comunication :https://docs.google.com/document/d/19-aB1v8f9BGNeSoedbFrn2HgxR4TDpSpeu7NHm8YO_g/edit# -- taken up [from LisaSeemanKest]
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14:12:27 <LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19-aB1v8f9BGNeSoedbFrn2HgxR4TDpSpeu7NHm8YO_g/edit#
14:12:33 <stevelee> APA requesting comments for RTC and have other comments but are happy to accept very specific feedback at this later stage
14:12:41 <stevelee> see the above goofle doc
14:12:52 <LisaSeemanKest> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/6d5bf713d9d7c65ecda104c213ad47b0e98cfbe1/raur/index.html
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14:12:53 <stevelee> s/goofle/google
14:13:23 <stevelee> lisa - want to change to day if possible
14:13:42 <stevelee> Jennie have thngs ot add to itme s 5 & 1 - only added highest priority
14:14:07 <stevelee> s/5 & 1/5 & 11
14:14:22 <stevelee> lisa 5 & another
14:15:45 <stevelee> lisa: lets add the word "also" to 5 for AAC
14:15:59 <stevelee> ... similar for 11
14:16:11 <stevelee> Jeniw - I'm fine with those changes
14:16:23 <stevelee> s/Jeniw/Jennie
14:16:26 <LisaSeemanKest> q?
14:16:32 <LisaSeemanKest> ack s
14:16:33 <stevelee> ac st
14:17:41 <stevelee> lisa: I added to 16 - 3 details 1) at any point 2) using preferred method, 3)
14:18:05 <stevelee> ... 16 added includes "human" and findable
14:18:43 <stevelee> ... added another user need for "generally usable"
14:19:23 <Jennie> q+
14:19:46 <stevelee> ... plus a few details form content usable
14:20:44 <stevelee> s/form/from
14:20:53 <LisaSeemanKest> ack j
14:21:21 <stevelee> jennie in US we ahave a speech to speech relay service for people need AAC or communication partner
14:21:33 <stevelee> .. would it be useful to mention that?
14:21:50 <stevelee> Lisa - fits under req 16f
14:21:55 <Jennie> Speech to speech relay: https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/speech-speech-relay-service
14:22:44 <stevelee> ... added to google doc
14:26:16 <LisaSeemanKest> sumit this in the issueto apa?
14:26:19 <Jennie> +1
14:26:20 <LisaSeemanKest> +1
14:26:39 <krisannekinney> +1
14:26:41 <Rachael> +1
14:26:48 <Rain> +1
14:26:49 <cweidner> +1
14:26:59 <johnkirkwood> +1
14:27:05 <Fazio> +1
14:27:48 <stevelee> lisa I think they will appreciate feedback in short timescale
14:28:18 <LisaSeemanKest> close, item 3
14:28:37 <LisaSeemanKest> close, item 2
14:28:47 <LisaSeemanKest> zakim, close, item 2
14:28:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close, item 2', LisaSeemanKest
14:28:54 <LisaSeemanKest> zakim, close item 2
14:28:54 <Zakim> agendum 2, RTQC, closed
14:28:55 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:28:55 <Zakim> 1. updates on publications [from LisaSeemanKest]
14:29:07 <LisaSeemanKest> zakim, close item 3
14:29:07 <Zakim> agendum 3, resonce to real time comunication :https://docs.google.com/document/d/19-aB1v8f9BGNeSoedbFrn2HgxR4TDpSpeu7NHm8YO_g/edit#, closed
14:29:09 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:29:09 <Zakim> 1. updates on publications [from LisaSeemanKest]
14:29:38 <LisaSeemanKest> zakim, close item 1
14:29:38 <Zakim> agendum 1, updates on publications, closed
14:29:39 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:29:39 <Zakim> 4. images subgroup at https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/140aQM0BGbt9YE1Ehb3i1mIzJOxcxQerEgIaFbvOCols/edit#slide=id.p [from LisaSeemanKest]
14:31:12 <stevelee> there is a W3C group on diversity and I'd like to add them to the groups we are liaising with.
14:31:18 <Rain> q+
14:31:22 <stevelee> ... Think we can add valuable resource
14:31:24 <LisaSeemanKest> ack r
14:31:52 <Rachael> +1 to engaging with them
14:31:55 <stevelee> ... or are we overstretching
14:32:13 <stevelee> rain: I do this in my work and could share
14:32:29 <Rachael> PWE I think
14:32:34 <stevelee> lisa: also "helping chairs help us"
14:32:54 <stevelee> John K: also my groups are working on that so am interested
14:33:57 <stevelee> lisa: so will reach out. Fits in with work Michael is doing to smooth collaborations between groups
14:35:26 <LisaSeemanKest> zakim, next issue
14:35:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next issue', LisaSeemanKest
14:35:33 <LisaSeemanKest> zakim, next item
14:35:33 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- images subgroup at https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/140aQM0BGbt9YE1Ehb3i1mIzJOxcxQerEgIaFbvOCols/edit#slide=id.p -- taken up [from LisaSeemanKest]
14:35:50 <MichaelC> s/Michael is/Michael and Rachael are/
14:36:39 <stevelee> rain: sharing screen showing coga-friendly shopping wireframe
14:37:11 <stevelee> tried to provide and exhaustive set that cover the objectives
14:37:42 <stevelee> ... each wire frame illustrates one or more
14:37:49 <MichaelC> q+ to ask how this resource is expected to be presented and used
14:38:25 <stevelee> ... eg zoomed in image section to show user were they are, connection to header to provide location
14:38:49 <MichaelC> q+ to explore intersection with Before-After Demo https://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/
14:39:13 <stevelee> ... starts with the wirefame and user story (shop for orange poppies for someone else)
14:39:43 <stevelee> .. current item and filters clear to support memory and also help
14:39:48 <Jennie> q+
14:39:54 <stevelee> ... indicated tab order (for a designer)
14:40:23 <stevelee> ... tried hard to communicate concepts -  not worked of asthetics
14:40:44 <stevelee> ... eg filters show how they help users.
14:40:53 <stevelee> ... modal to "help me pick"
14:41:34 <stevelee> ... then explain what will be needed to check out
14:41:36 <Jennie> * I am on queue to respond to Michael's 2nd question
14:41:38 <LisaSeemanKest> ac m
14:41:42 <LisaSeemanKest> ack m
14:41:42 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to ask how this resource is expected to be presented and used and to explore intersection with Before-After Demo https://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/
14:42:08 <stevelee> michael - reminds me of the Before After demo (BAD)
14:42:34 <stevelee> ... where would this go? Obviously not a TR doc
14:42:46 <stevelee> .. could be used to illustrate the objectives
14:43:25 <stevelee> jenie - CU is very text dense - so images can help meet our guidelines
14:43:42 <stevelee> michael - seem large to fit in
14:43:52 <stevelee> rain - will not include entire image - but closeup sections
14:44:18 <stevelee> jennie: started with entire thing at start so we can be sure have everything covered
14:44:27 <stevelee> ... then we can add pieces as we go
14:44:48 <stevelee> q+
14:45:05 <Jennie> ack Jennie
14:45:24 <stevelee> while BAD is excellent it doesn't cover all our recommendations
14:45:58 <stevelee> john K: orientation through a process is a key point
14:46:09 <LisaSeemanKest> ack s
14:47:32 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/
14:47:41 <LisaSeemanKest> q?
14:48:34 <stevelee> Lisa: help people get read -
14:48:59 <stevelee> rain: two parts - "Help me Pick" and pre checkout
14:49:23 <stevelee> this image is intentially mid process - where things start to fall apart
14:50:20 <stevelee> .. or "ready to buy" explains what info is required.
14:51:43 <stevelee> lisa: I think there is a question of is it better to take something that is hard or makes the point.
14:52:43 <stevelee> jennie - it's available at any time
14:54:06 <Jennie> q+
14:54:08 <stevelee> steve: i think this will be used to illustrate CU - not be a perfect site in itself
14:54:44 <stevelee> lisa: feel it might need more attention
14:55:12 <stevelee> jennie: slide one has a "before you buy" we can change text - that is good feedback.
14:55:41 <Jennie> ack Jennie
14:56:11 <stevelee> lisa: "what do I need" would be better
14:56:28 <stevelee> ... also phone number more important than physical address
14:56:41 <stevelee> ... personalisation options eg show less
14:57:08 <stevelee> q+
14:58:26 <stevelee> ... price might be first thing to sort by
15:00:04 <stevelee> jennie: help me pick helps answer several key questions
15:00:15 <LisaSeemanKest> q+
15:03:34 <Jennie> * Nice job Rain!
15:03:38 <cweidner> +1
15:04:55 <Jennie> *Sorry, I have to drop
15:07:44 <stevelee> can omeone do the minutes?
15:09:00 <LisaSeemanKest> rrsagent, publish minutes
15:09:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/08-coga-minutes.html LisaSeemanKest