13:49:55 RRSAgent has joined #pronunciation 13:49:55 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/03/31-pronunciation-irc 13:49:57 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:50:00 Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference 13:50:00 Date: 31 March 2021 13:50:12 present+ 13:50:20 Chair: Irfan Ali 13:51:14 Agenda+ First Public Working Draft: Specification for Spoken Presentation document CFC 13:51:26 zakim, clear agenda 13:51:26 agenda cleared 13:51:28 Agenda+ First Public Working Draft: Specification for Spoken Presentation document CFC 13:51:35 Agenda+ Other Business 14:02:36 NeilS has joined #pronunciation 14:02:41 janina has joined #pronunciation 14:03:46 Dee has joined #pronunciation 14:05:17 present+ 14:05:21 present+ 14:05:26 present+ 14:05:58 Agenda 14:06:06 present+ 14:06:32 Zakim, next item 14:06:32 agendum 1 -- First Public Working Draft: Specification for Spoken Presentation document CFC -- taken up [from Irfan] 14:06:44 mhakkinen has joined #pronunciation 14:06:50 present+ 14:07:38 Irfan: We made changes. Sent to Becky who has more recommendations. Add more background, examples, etc. Irfan made changes and sent back to Becky. 14:08:23 Irfan: Change name, short URL needed. 14:09:06 Irfan: Current Name is Technical Approach 14:09:08 Pronunciation-in-html 14:09:46 SteveNoble_ has joined #pronunciation 14:09:46 Janina: TTS-HTML or HTML-TTS? 14:10:01 present+ 14:10:14 Mark: Spoken HTML or HTML Spoken 14:10:35 Neil: prefer Spoken HTML 14:11:57 Irfan: Spoken-HTML? 14:12:11 spoken-html 14:12:23 james-gable has joined #pronunciation 14:12:41 +1 14:12:50 Consensus is Spoken-HTML 14:13:16 https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/technical-approach/#abstract 14:15:28 Irfan: There was limited information. Irfan added a paragraph. 14:16:07 Janina: no consistent approach that can be relied on across browsers 14:18:43 Consistent approach that can be relied on across user agents (browsers, assistive technologies, voice assistants, etc.) 14:19:36 Neil: we make some assumptions that SSML is not the solution. In the into we have to say why. 14:20:07 Mark: pull out the info from the gap analysis. 14:20:56 Janina: add as a second paragraph to abstract 14:21:10 Neil: later on have more explanantion 14:23:00 Irfan: background, second section, provides some information 14:23:52 Neil: nothing says that all of SSML is not needed. Need to say why we are using the subset. 14:24:05 Janina: will write a draft 14:25:18 Janina: we need a gentle way to say that browsers didn't implement SSML 14:25:49 Mark: gap analysis indicates has the "why' 14:26:13 Irfan: Status to be updated by Roy 14:26:45 Irfan: Intro has been updated. Included feedback. Do we need to do anything more? 14:27:42 Irfan: Background section, adding more info to Abstract, only other concern, examples in section 3 14:28:10 Irfan: Content not sufficient. We need to add some details about the approach. 14:28:45 Irfan: Need to add info for those who do not understand SSML 14:29:31 Mark: Gap analysis has description of functional areas 14:29:56 Irfan: do we need to add info directly or just refer to the Gap Analysis document? 14:30:57 Janina: if it helps, keep it in document, hyperlink is for knowing more. 14:31:32 Janina: document itself needs to provide understanding 14:32:03 Irfan: it appears we need to restructure the section and add info from Gap Analysis. 14:32:41 Mark: each attribute section or add a simplified version of section 2 of gap analysis? 14:32:57 Janina: the simplified content 14:33:48 Irfan: The third paragraph -- the sentence starts with the example. Do we need more explanation? 14:34:27 Mark: we don't need to explain all the features, that is done my SSML spec. 14:34:53 Irfan: What would make it more clear to readers who do not understand SSML? 14:36:01 Mark: suggest adding a new section before the current section 3 which is drawn from categories.. 14:36:23 Neil: this goes back to the gap analysis 14:37:33 Irfan: I will update document and then share. 14:38:54 Irfan: Another point, data-SSML-say as-*, could use a better description 14:40:06 Irfan: some attributes are in SSML 1.0 but not in SSML 1.1. We may need to reference SSML 1.0. 14:40:29 Mark: The say-as is in 1.0. That can be cleaned up. 14:41:16 Irfan: Can someone review that? 14:41:40 Neil: The example is not correct. 14:42:37 Irfan: we need to fix the digit example. 14:43:10 Neil: I will take another look at section 3. 14:43:23 Irfan: Send an email with feedback. 14:44:13 Mark: some discussion about including audio files, not convinced that they need to be there. 14:44:41 Mark: best to send people to the test cases to evaluate with their own systhesizers 14:45:14 Mark: we want to be vendor neutral 14:45:57 Neil: saw a difference between section 3 an 4 for interpret-as. 14:46:25 Mark: rational that is not explained, in JSON model it is more of a direct mapping. 14:47:32 Irfan: Let Neil summarize all the info in an email. 14:48:07 Irfan: Single attribute approach, no feedback, unless Mark thinks we are missing something. 14:48:13 Mark: I don't think so. 14:48:44 Irfan: Pros and cons, not sufficient, need more information 14:49:08 Irfan: It appears clear to me what we are trying to do. 14:49:42 Irfan: any other ideas? 14:50:19 Irfan: We will stay with what we have. 14:53:59 Irfan: Next steps, abstract (Janina), add/update 2.2 2.3 to background (Irfan, Mark to review), Sections 3 and 4 (Neil), Roy will update status and short name, Technical consideration (no changes) 14:54:52 Irfan: Timeline, I will be able to finish by Friday, 4/2. 14:55:05 Janina: Will finish tomorrow. 14:55:16 Neil: today or tomorrow 14:55:38 Irfan: By next week we should have an updated doc 14:55:50 Irfan: anything else? 14:56:51 RRSAgent, make minutes 14:56:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/31-pronunciation-minutes.html Dee 14:57:37 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:57:48 RRSAgent, make minutes 14:57:48 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/31-pronunciation-minutes.html Dee 14:58:09 trackbot, end meeting 14:58:09 Zakim, list attendees 14:58:09 As of this point the attendees have been Irfan, paul_grenier, Tom_Babinszki, Dee, Roy, SteveNoble_, janina, mhakkinen, SteveNoble, JF, ADR_, ADR, NeilS 14:58:17 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 14:58:17 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/31-pronunciation-minutes.html trackbot 14:58:18 RRSAgent, bye 14:58:18 I see no action items