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14:58:04 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ben
14:58:12 <ben> meeting: Rights Automation Community Group
14:58:48 <ben> chair: Ben
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15:03:56 <ben> present: Laura, Mark D, Adam H, Josh C, Belen B, Nigel P, Ilya S
15:06:12 <ben> https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html
15:07:00 <ben> scribe: JoshC
15:07:27 <ben> scribe: joshuaCornejo
15:08:19 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: Resolution of previous meeting's minutes
15:09:09 <joshuaCornejo> ... <describes conversation and interaction with FISD/David>
15:10:57 <joshuaCornejo> ... what is their response about having a debate about Rights Management?
15:12:02 <joshuaCornejo> Nigel: there is a lot of value in a panel, with interactions and opinions. Ideally a few differing opinions, maybe not a skeptic, but people with different positions and give a balance to the panel.
15:12:31 <joshuaCornejo> Ilya: having been on a couple of these, it all depends on the moderator, pick someone that can drive the conversation/controversy
15:12:48 <joshuaCornejo> Atiq: is that why to bring the skeptic?
15:13:07 <joshuaCornejo> Ilya: does anyone know a skeptic that wants to speak in an open forum?
15:13:24 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: I have someone in mind, I am speaking with someone next week
15:13:54 <joshuaCornejo> Ilya: I have a difference with David, a demo - seeing a visual really creates converts rather than just a slide deck
15:14:05 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: I don't think either/or - because 60 minutes is very tight
15:14:28 <joshuaCornejo> ... it is around 45 minutes of time, with 15 minutes to do a demo
15:14:48 <joshuaCornejo> Nigel: specially if you do it as a can demo with a video
15:14:56 <joshuaCornejo> Ilya: that needs more preparation
15:14:59 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: I think we can manage
15:15:31 <joshuaCornejo> Nigel: the supply chain PoC can possibly make a candidate, there were some visuals in there that would help to get the message a bit
15:15:41 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: yep, but it took half hour to do it
15:15:54 <joshuaCornejo> Ilya: at this point we should agree on the point and then find a candidate
15:15:58 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: agree
15:16:13 <joshuaCornejo> ... I am going to call on another person: Mark Durenberger
15:17:38 <joshuaCornejo> Mark: I 100% agree on moderator, really important for a panel. If you have a good representation across (different stakeholders) there is inherently benefits to some parties that are not necessarily benefits to others, and the moderator can push each a bit. Case being that I have seen D.Rights in some cases, like static reports with bread crumbs (digital trails)
15:18:04 <joshuaCornejo> .. for suppliers to track compliance, for the consumer the audit implications
15:18:19 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: OK
15:18:24 <joshuaCornejo> ... really useful
15:18:47 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: Adam asked how do we differentiate from previous events?
15:19:07 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: probably giving more time to the demos, would be better
15:19:58 <joshuaCornejo> Ali: I've been made aware that there is a webinar next week - a continuation from a previous one - about market data. Looks part of the agenda is about solutions.
15:20:14 <joshuaCornejo> Ali: full disclosure they also asked me to be on their panel
15:20:31 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: yes, that's good to know
15:20:37 <joshuaCornejo> ... have they confirmed any speakers?
15:20:44 <joshuaCornejo> Ali: no, not heard yet
15:21:01 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: if you speak, do warm the audience for us
15:21:32 <joshuaCornejo> Mark: in the first of those that happened, Mark B put a plug on it and there are some synergies with what was spoken last time and next week.
15:22:27 <joshuaCornejo> ... a lot of it is about the challenges of the vendors/consumers and the alignment. This endevour may address in part all of that. The hope is that we can come up with some alignment and the automation of bits & pieces, I don't think our toes will step on by that panel.
15:23:29 <joshuaCornejo> Mark B: that is exactly, it is broader compliance, and a big part of the need is that a bit of the puzzle. On that last panel, I tried not to make ODRL so 'huge' that I would never happen. Highlighting our greater hopes and ambitions and showing our small steps on the road on breaking the world.
15:23:38 <joshuaCornejo> Nigel: the key is incremental delivery.
15:23:59 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: I hope the demos can speak on those points, here is some automation to minimise the pain points.
15:24:11 <joshuaCornejo> ... thanks for that, really useful. Lots of time to prepare
15:24:28 <joshuaCornejo> ... the next issue is interoperability testing, about the robustness of the standard
15:25:04 <joshuaCornejo> ... this is published in the context of W3C, primarily driven by technology and developers of web browsers
15:25:32 <joshuaCornejo> ... focused on interoperability, to allow machine to machine communication, it seems to make sense to take this seriously and have something to say about it.
15:26:06 <joshuaCornejo> ... there is a parallel initiative - the cloud data management, ran by the EDMC council, a lot of financial institutions and cloud providers run it.
15:26:32 <joshuaCornejo> ... one of it threads/themes is rights management. And how financial institutions will be able to migrate to the cloud
15:26:50 <joshuaCornejo> ... as part of that initiative they are working with FINOS to have some interoperability
15:27:10 <joshuaCornejo> ... to have some tests and have guarantee of interoperability
15:27:25 <joshuaCornejo> ... I wonder, Adam have you heard of this initiative
15:27:43 <joshuaCornejo> Adam: yes, I have, it is more about open source
15:28:12 <joshuaCornejo> ... it is more about identity and access management control
15:28:38 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: I did write the standard for access management and left lots of space for this type of work we are doing here
15:29:02 <joshuaCornejo> Adam: definitely, we should call them and find how to get our synergies
15:29:19 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: yes, I have spoken to them and they seem to be interested in anyone to go first
15:29:29 <joshuaCornejo> Adam: not sure if FINOS would be right at this stage
15:29:46 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: what is your feeling Atiq?
15:30:05 <joshuaCornejo> Atiq: there are many firms exploring cloud, we kind of need to have some standards
15:30:19 <joshuaCornejo> ... we need some governance about data
15:30:30 <joshuaCornejo> ... you should set the standards now
15:31:02 <joshuaCornejo> Ilya: <speaks about one experience with FINOS>
15:32:04 <joshuaCornejo> Atiq: <speaks about another experience and how to split specification from code>
15:32:59 <joshuaCornejo> Mevan: I am kind of new on this, but from where I am coming from, we are talking how we can adopt this with Snowflake
15:33:24 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: interesting you mention Snowflake, they are particularly interested in the DRM part of this
15:33:49 <joshuaCornejo> Mevan: right now they are focusing on access control and their next interest is DRM
15:34:06 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: at least if we did some specification work via CDMC we would get Snowflake involved
15:34:32 <joshuaCornejo> ... I will go back to the CDMC and report on this conversation, is there anyone that wants to add anything?
15:35:43 <ben> RESOLUTION: To approach the CDMC /FINOS as a venue for specifying interoperability
15:41:05 <ben> present+ Mevan J, Ali M
15:42:47 <ben> present+ Jeremy B, Atiq K
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15:47:09 <ben> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:52:07 <RRSAgent> I see no action items