13:15:43 RRSAgent has joined #coga 13:15:43 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/03/25-coga-irc 13:15:45 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:15:48 Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 13:15:48 Date: 25 March 2021 13:16:18 agenda+ updates 13:16:22 agenda? 13:16:35 zakim, clear agenda 13:16:35 agenda cleared 13:17:07 agenda+ updates 13:17:20 agenda+ how we are working with silver 13:17:34 agenda+ APA specifications 13:18:27 agenda+ priorities - working with groups 13:18:46 agenda+ priorities, bits 13:19:12 agenda+ priorities, reaserch 13:50:58 krisannekinney has joined #coga 13:55:35 Fazio_ has joined #coga 13:57:35 present+ 13:58:08 Rain has joined #coga 13:58:27 scribe:krisannekinney 13:59:38 Jennie has joined #coga 13:59:46 zakim, next item 13:59:46 agendum 1 -- updates -- taken up [from LisaSeemanKest] 13:59:46 present+ 13:59:49 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Teleconference_cheat_sheet 14:00:11 present+ 14:00:12 Albert has joined #coga 14:00:22 present+ 14:00:49 Here are some other scribing commands: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribing_Commands_and_Related_Info 14:00:55 present+ 14:01:07 Thank you Jennie 14:01:50 Lisa: First item : Content Usable is going to survey in AG - will then go to CFC in AG and APA 14:02:20 Lisa: some suggestions for change, not huge. hopefully over the next week we can review changes, hopeful for next week CFC. 14:02:36 zakim, next item 14:02:36 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, LisaSeemanKest 14:02:39 q? 14:02:44 ack r 14:02:46 q- 14:02:49 zakim, next item 14:02:49 agendum 2 -- how we are working with silver -- taken up [from LisaSeemanKest] 14:02:53 present+ 14:02:53 JustineP has joined #coga 14:02:59 present+ 14:03:05 kirkwood has joined #COGA 14:03:43 Lisa: we talked with Jan on working with Silver and she is acting like a liaison. Every quarter they will try to put in one new COGA "thing", unsure what it will be at this time. 14:04:11 johnkirkwood has joined #COGA 14:04:38 Lisa: we want to choose one thing for Silver to pick up and make a small subgroup to work with Jan to get it through the silver process. Jan will join the call next week to describe the process. 14:05:09 Lisa: each time we submit one people can volunteer to be part of the group to get it in the Silver format. And the group will report back to us. 14:05:29 present+ kirkwood 14:05:51 Rachael: we piloted it with the first working draft and it was successful. 14:06:01 zakim, next item 14:06:01 agendum 3 -- APA specifications -- taken up [from LisaSeemanKest] 14:06:03 Lisa: our group going to have to prioritize 14:06:21 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2021Mar/0091.html 14:06:59 Lisa: Sent requirements for XR and RTC for the group to look at. 14:07:36 Lisa: APA made a list of requirements and we should look at them from the COGA perspective. 14:07:56 johnkirkwood has joined #coga 14:08:06 https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/6d5bf713d9d7c65ecda104c213ad47b0e98cfbe1/xaur/index.html#magnification-context-and-resetting 14:08:32 Lisa: want to know what other people think and have a look at requirements. 14:09:12 q+ 14:10:25 Rain: what's the best way to review this and give feedback? Time limits felt like it wasn't the right way to describe it. 14:10:36 q+ 14:10:49 I give a coga weekly report in APA 14:10:59 https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/new 14:11:04 Lisa: I think we should create a google doc to give feedback. OR we can all open issues ourselves as we find them in the APA Github repository. 14:11:44 David: when its ready to present to APA, I can give that feedback during the APA meeting. 14:11:59 ack rain 14:12:50 Lisa: Do we want individual issues or present group feedback that David can present as a report? 14:13:47 +1 to John K's point about AR being a potential helper for those with cognitive disabilities. 14:14:01 John: Such a big bucket to do virtual reality AND augmented reality. A lot of things about augmented reality that could be helpful in the future. Virtual reality could be triggering for someone with cognitive issues. 14:14:03 q+ 14:14:06 +1 to John K's comment, as well 14:14:18 John : would ike to see how augmented reality could help people with cognitive disabilites 14:14:50 present+ 14:15:30 +1 to Rachael's point 14:15:39 Rachael: anyone can comment on these specs. can cause a lot of problems if you get a lot of comments from groups that aren't a cohesive set of agreed upon responses. 14:15:47 +1 to Rachael's point. 14:15:54 q? 14:15:57 ack j 14:15:58 +1 to Rachael 14:16:42 Jennie: there are other groups within the COGA umbrella that could have issues with augmented reality. it may be helpful to give user stories to point back to, so we can create scenarios where it could be helpful, but also difficult. 14:16:46 psychosis for instance 14:18:08 Lisa: I'll send them a note saying we'll review it and make a google doc that we can all comment on. 14:18:10 google doc 14:18:15 Google doc 14:18:17 Google doc 14:18:20 google doc 14:18:28 Lisa: any objections to a google doc? 14:18:37 Lisa : google doc it is. 14:18:48 https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/6d5bf713d9d7c65ecda104c213ad47b0e98cfbe1/raur/index.html#real-time-communication-and-accessibility 14:19:07 To be fair to them, they requested we engage earlier and we were swamped with content usable. 14:19:27 q+ 14:19:31 Lisa: real time communication - wasn't sure what the scope was? Should we ask them to come to a meeting to discuss the scope? 14:19:36 ack rach 14:19:36 q- 14:19:40 ack r 14:19:43 ack j 14:20:21 s/To be fair to them, they requested we engage earlier and we were swamped with content usable. /Now that cotent usable is done, we are able to engage earlier with groups. 14:20:27 Jennie: I put a public comment on the FCC site about RTC. I think it does have application for people with cognitive and learning disabilities, but I don't think they are considered in the specs. Having someone come and talk about it could be helpful. 14:20:51 Lisa: Does it include bots? 14:21:31 Jennie: discussion about interacting with 911 with text message. i don't recall conversations about bots. 14:22:06 Lisa: it says to make sure there's support, but we need to make the support usable. 14:22:11 yes 14:22:16 +1 14:22:16 Lisa: Should we open another google doc to comment on user needs? 14:22:18 +1 14:22:23 stevelee has joined #coga 14:22:24 Agree 14:22:36 q+ 14:23:16 Lisa: They need research on this and how it affects users with cognitive disabilities 14:23:46 Rachael: if we're engaging with APA now we should see them earlier. Who else do we need to engage with? 14:24:28 q+ 14:24:37 ack r 14:25:00 q+ 14:25:08 ack f 14:25:24 David: they brought up us participating with APA in their rechartering. So i am more active with them. So it will be better from here on out. 14:25:34 +1 to a process. :) 14:25:37 ack j 14:26:08 Justine: I work with Jason White and would speak with him about having a closer relationship with the group. 14:26:27 zakim, next item 14:26:27 agendum 4 -- priorities - working with groups -- taken up [from LisaSeemanKest] 14:27:03 johnkirkwood has joined #coga 14:27:16 Justine: I have updated icons. Some have improved, not sure about all though. 14:27:23 present+ 14:27:30 present+ 14:27:47 Justine : will set up a call with John to look at the icons. 14:27:50 Justine - can you copy E.A. and myself on the invite in case we can attend? 14:28:04 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YH4YETBmAdhfL9p8FK5ATUiXDGibeJh66psQCSUAvLQ/edit#gid=1717504010 14:28:31 Lisa : looking at the spreadsheet for first priorities. 14:29:09 they're very receptive to us though 14:29:43 Lisa: work with Silver, APA, working with other groups should take up to 1/2 to 1/3 of our time. 14:29:47 +1 14:30:01 +1 good idea to be proactive with other groups 14:30:05 +1 14:30:09 +1 14:30:20 johnkirkwood has joined #coga 14:33:06 Lisa : here are the groups I could think of : Silver, EO (video work), APA (review specs), personalization, research question task force, internationalization (personas or project work), AG (WCAG), ACT (will help getting our things into Silver) 14:34:52 johnkirkwood has joined #coga 14:35:32 Lisa: WAI web site, W3C Tools and processes. Helps us get involved with other groups. 14:36:13 Lisa: Silver, APA and AG is all ongoing work. Other groups is co-project work. 14:36:44 q? 14:36:47 Lisa: I think we'll need to prioritize them on what needs to come first. and a good process for working together. 14:38:10 John: I feel comfortable keeping my relationship with Silver and AG. I would be interested in seeing how we can publicize the work we are doing. 14:38:23 Lisa : have we forgotten groups? 14:39:05 John: Was there a VR group? 14:39:10 https://www.w3.org/community/immersive-web/ 14:39:13 David : I think it was a task force. 14:39:45 johnkirkwood has joined #coga 14:40:21 Lisa: Level 1. Top priorities. Level 2. Important but maybe not the top Level 3. we want to do but based on time. 14:41:10 Lisa: do we send it to the list or give it an attempt now? 14:41:17 try it now 14:41:48 yes 14:41:51 +1 to APA 14:41:52 Lisa: Priority 1 - Silver and AG. should we add APA review specifications? 14:41:57 +1 to APA 14:42:02 +1 to APA 14:42:15 p1: silver, ag, and apa specification 14:42:27 +1 14:42:56 +1 APA 14:43:19 +1 14:43:33 q+ 14:43:41 q- 14:44:08 John: work with EO may be important to publicize what we're doing and get it out to the audience so we can get that information out. 14:45:55 +1 to EO joining a meeting 14:46:23 Looking forward to that! 14:46:47 Lisa: have EO come to the meeting in 2 weeks to talk about what we do and how EO can help COGA. 14:47:07 johnkirkwood has joined #coga 14:47:11 Lisa: Make the Priorities tentative until we're sure what everyone does. 14:47:18 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YH4YETBmAdhfL9p8FK5ATUiXDGibeJh66psQCSUAvLQ/edit#gid=1717504010 14:47:40 Lisa: maybe we want RQTF to come talk about Research Questions. 14:48:54 KA : Invite Jason White to a meeting in the future and invite internationalization to a future meeting too. 14:49:27 Silver on the right track / working with silver 1 14:49:27 work more with EO 2 14:49:28 work more with APA / review specifications 1 14:49:29 internationlization 3 14:49:30 personlization (APA) 2 14:49:31 AG (WCAG) 1 14:49:32 ACT 3 14:49:33 working with the WAI web site (EO) 3 14:49:34 rqtf (APA) 2 14:49:35 w3c tool and process 3 14:51:09 q+ 14:51:19 ack f 14:51:42 David: are these just priorities of interfacing with other groups and we can still prioritize documents we want to work on? 14:51:57 Lisa: we want to prioritize what groups we work on for that 1/2 or 1/3 of our time. 14:52:16 +1 14:52:17 Lisa: are we ok with the prioritzation 14:52:18 +1 14:52:19 +1 14:52:20 +1 14:52:24 +1 14:52:29 +1 14:52:37 +1 14:52:40 +1 14:53:25 q+ 14:53:31 ack s 14:53:33 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YH4YETBmAdhfL9p8FK5ATUiXDGibeJh66psQCSUAvLQ/edit#gid=0 14:53:57 Steve: VR group - APA has been working on a working draft, Josh O'Connor has been working on it. 14:54:25 https://www.w3.org/TR/xaur/ 14:54:30 Steve: its an ongoing activity 14:54:40 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YH4YETBmAdhfL9p8FK5ATUiXDGibeJh66psQCSUAvLQ/edit#gid=0 14:55:29 Lisa: bits tab - some projects are quite big. Some are necessary for Content Usable v2. We have a lot of research to do before the next version. 14:57:40 Lisa: finishing issues and comment processing has to be priority 1. 14:57:57 Lisa: online version of the design guide that Steve has been working on - priority 1. 14:58:13 online version of Design Guide p1 - active 14:58:22 +1 14:58:23 +1 to the online guide. It was part of closing issues 14:58:54 Lisa: not hearing any objections 14:59:21 maybe the videos 14:59:54 q+ 14:59:58 Lisa : maybe tracing the research? 15:00:01 ack r 15:00:29 +1 this would help for Silver possibly too - having testable pieces. 15:00:34 +1 15:00:36 +1, and I'd love to be involved 15:00:37 Rachael: videos may segway well with what EO is doing. Testable statements - if we did some testable statements with ACT, it would be helpful to ahve a COGA centered testable statement. Could be helpful for Silver. 15:00:52 I would also like to be involved in that 15:01:11 Lisa: next would be videos and a "test" testable statement. 15:01:13 Testable statement would be very helpful 15:02:03 Lisa : priority 3 - getting the research in order - think that would be helpful for Silver. 15:02:48 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YH4YETBmAdhfL9p8FK5ATUiXDGibeJh66psQCSUAvLQ/edit#gid=0 15:03:47 q? 15:03:50 Apologies - have to drop 15:04:44 q? 15:04:59 does this sound ok? 15:05:32 See spreadsheet for priorities. 15:05:33 2 wikipages, and housekeeping 15:05:33 single example - p2 making testable sub statements for the design patterns 15:05:34 active -p1 online version of Design Guide 15:05:35 p3 getting Research as online resources 15:05:36 next year Glossary V2 - terms from gapanalis and research 15:05:37 next year support docs for WCAG 2.2 15:05:38 next year mapping design patterns and different web functions and real world use 15:05:39 2 videos of user needs / stories 15:05:40 next year resource pages for technologies 15:05:41 next year restucture objectives, / patterns for a version 2 of content useable 15:05:42 next year More persona 15:05:43 active - p1 finishe issues and comments processing 15:05:44 pending (can not do it yet) add new user needs patterns etc into content useable 15:05:45 next year issues marked as "next version" 15:05:46 2 singles testable statment as trial 15:05:47 p3 trace to each pattern to reserch 15:06:38 Lisa : any objections? 15:06:42 any obections 15:06:50 agree with priorites, maybe to increase priority of testable 15:06:55 I woul dlike to see the whole list of priorities to approve 15:06:57 +1 15:07:04 but for this piece +1 15:07:07 +1 15:07:09 +1 15:07:14 JohnRochford has joined #coga 15:07:26 I would like to have more time to think about it. 15:07:30 present+ 15:07:35 agree would like to see that single page as well 15:07:44 Yes, that would be really helpful 15:08:06 Lisa: will put in a single page of priorities 15:08:20 Lisa : sounds liek we're close but they aren't written in stone. 15:08:24 present+ 15:08:39 rrsagent, create minutes 15:08:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/25-coga-minutes.html krisannekinney 15:12:34 johnkirkwood has joined #coga 15:19:57 johnkirkwood has joined #coga 15:25:31 johnkirkwood has joined #coga