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13:54:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference
13:54:53 <trackbot> Date: 24 March 2021
13:54:56 <Irfan> present+
13:55:03 <Irfan> chair: Irfan Ali
13:55:08 <Irfan> zakim, agenda?
13:55:08 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
13:55:09 <Zakim> 3. Other Business [from Irfan]
13:55:15 <Irfan> zakim, clear agenda
13:55:16 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:55:38 <Irfan> Agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:55:45 <Irfan> Agenda+ First Public Working Draft (technical approach) CFC
13:55:50 <Irfan>  Agenda+ Other Business
13:59:39 <paul_grenier> present+
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14:01:13 <Dee> present+ Dee
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14:01:48 <JF> agenda?
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14:06:37 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
14:06:37 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from Irfan]
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14:08:04 <paul_grenier> Irfan: we still have some edits to make, once that's done we will have Becky review and then send it to Michael for final review.
14:08:53 <paul_grenier> janina: I would like us to not keep referring to it as the technical approach but the publication of our specification.
14:08:55 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
14:08:55 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- First Public Working Draft (technical approach) CFC -- taken up [from Irfan]
14:09:17 <paul_grenier> Irfan: do we need to change the name of the document?
14:09:37 <paul_grenier> https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/technical-approach
14:09:53 <paul_grenier> janina: Yes. we should change that to what the eventual specification will be.
14:10:09 <paul_grenier> janina: "Specification for Spoken Presentation" or something like that
14:11:18 <paul_grenier> paul_grenier: "Specification for Spoken Presentation in HTML"
14:11:42 <paul_grenier> janina: we will want a short name for this (that might be it). We want to ask Roy about that when he's back.
14:12:01 <mhakkinen> Spec for Spoken Presentation of HTML Content
14:12:18 <paul_grenier> Irfan: we don't have a TR url for the doc yet.
14:12:34 <paul_grenier> janina: we will get a short name and url at the same time.
14:13:29 <paul_grenier> JF: since EPUB is a superset of HTML, are some people going to think we're excluding EPUB?
14:13:54 <paul_grenier> janina: if that's a problem, they'll see this first public working draft and I expect they will comment.
14:14:12 <paul_grenier> NeilS: like you said it's a superset
14:15:01 <paul_grenier> Irfan: I will add these items in my TODO list. Thanks to Dee for providing the recommendations for spelling, grammar, and editorial mistakes. I'll make these changes today.
14:15:22 <paul_grenier> Irfan: Paul, you have already made the changes from last week. Except the reference url we talked about this morning.
14:16:23 <paul_grenier> paul_grenier: I'll take a look at those urls for the external resources and make sure we don't have 'www' in the urls.
14:16:50 <paul_grenier> janina: 'http' not 's' port 80 not 443.
14:17:08 <paul_grenier> Irfan: we also need to review compared to the style guide https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Style
14:17:16 <paul_grenier> janina: as long as we're consistent
14:18:01 <paul_grenier> Irfan: I'll finish the edits and Becky can review so hopefully we can be done by the end of the week
14:18:33 <paul_grenier> janina: we'll get a snapshot for the CFC so it doesn't change while we're reviewing and voting on it.
14:20:24 <paul_grenier> janina: Tom, you mentioned some stuff about the document two weeks ago...
14:20:26 <paul_grenier> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/77
14:21:10 <paul_grenier> Tom_Babinszki: It still says "sssml"
14:21:35 <paul_grenier> paul_grenier: we can put these issues next to Dee's list
14:21:38 <paul_grenier> Irfan: I'm on it
14:22:28 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
14:22:28 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Other Business -- taken up [from Irfan]
14:23:09 <paul_grenier> NeilS: what's the timeline everyone envisions going forward?
14:23:24 <paul_grenier> janina: I'm not sure we've talked beyond first public working draft
14:23:43 <Irfan> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/Timeline
14:23:50 <paul_grenier> janina: it may depend on the comments we get and implimentations
14:24:13 <paul_grenier> NeilS: is there another implementation in the works beyond text help's implementation?
14:24:20 <paul_grenier> Irfan: not that I know of.
14:24:31 <JF> Q+
14:24:35 <paul_grenier> Irfan: we updated the timeline and I think we're on track with that
14:25:00 <paul_grenier> janina: how long will we give people to comment?
14:25:24 <paul_grenier> JF: May 30th will give them 6 weeks
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14:26:02 <paul_grenier> JF: Neil asked about implementations. Is there a possibility of getting a plugin for NVDA?
14:26:28 <paul_grenier> janina: we've had James Tae on a call before. We may get some Google interest.
14:26:45 <Irfan> s/Tae/Te
14:26:50 <paul_grenier> JF: do we think a plugin added to NVDA would give us what we need?
14:27:00 <Irfan> s/Te/Teh
14:27:47 <paul_grenier> NeilS: I'm about to try my hand at a plugin for NVDA, so I might be able to do this.
14:28:19 <paul_grenier> JF: if we publish in a couple of weeks with a deadline at the end of May, it would be great to have an implementation show up in the Summer months
14:29:06 <paul_grenier> ack JF
14:29:50 <paul_grenier> (I have to go. I don't want to stop discussions, Irfan, please take care of minutes)
14:31:28 <Irfan> SteveNoble_: what are we doing with TextHelp implementation? Is that example where you can go and play from the user perspective.
14:32:30 <Irfan> janina: they support one approach and have agreed to switch the approach if we decide go go for another approach.
14:32:55 <Irfan> SteveNoble_: best I can do to come up with a practice test with SSML tag applied
14:33:19 <Irfan> SteveNoble_: I know some test use it. But you do not have to show underline code that is being used for those example
14:33:39 <Irfan> janina: tools that does the presentation has to read the code
14:33:51 <Irfan> SteveNoble_: I can look for some test content examples
14:34:10 <Irfan> NeilS: do we need to have specific test?
14:34:13 <Irfan> janina: yes
14:35:01 <Irfan> SteveNoble_: its within the test platform itself. it is not like someone taking a test.. it is a secure test
14:35:11 <Irfan> NeilS: its not like someone else has to write an example..
14:36:04 <Irfan> SteveNoble_: they have tool for test content which develop test content and can add ssml. I will see if I can find something publicly available example
14:36:44 <Irfan> JF: I think what we need for examples, we need to show content that is properly marked-up and using the technology and see how it works
14:37:29 <Irfan> JF: if content is behind the firewall, then we need to copy that content and host it publicly and show it which could leverage the technology
14:38:21 <Irfan> SteveNoble_: I will see what I can come up with from pearson.
14:38:53 <Irfan> rrsagent, make minutes
14:38:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/24-pronunciation-minutes.html Irfan
14:40:32 <Irfan> NeilS: so along-with all these tasks, as per the timeline, there is decision making in November. is there any contingency plan where you can consider the feedback from wider community.
14:40:36 <janina> It's why I called the November date as a gating event
14:41:31 <janina> Neil, I'm sure it won't come out of the blue. There'll be lots of discussion, hopefully
14:41:34 <Irfan> NeilS: its an important date and I want to make sure that I am involved in this process.
14:42:14 <janina> If a direction becomes clear earlier, we're not wedded to November
14:42:19 <Irfan> JF: between now and Nov its an opportunity for engineer to test both the approaches, test it, and make a decision. After nov it will be final.
14:42:21 <SteveNoble_> FYI - here's the login page for the Pearson TTS generator that uses SSML https://ttsgenerator.testnav.com/ (of course, one needs a login...but just mentioning)
14:44:02 <Irfan> JF: based on testing, engineer feedback, the specific will go to approach A or B. we do not need a final definitive public implementation before nov.
14:46:13 <Irfan> JF: I hope everyone understands the timeline
14:47:13 <Irfan> JF: from june 1st to sep1 we may have enough feedback about any specific approach. we do not want to go beyond november at this point of time
14:47:20 <Irfan> NeilS: I might be able to do it
14:48:21 <JF> https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html
14:48:38 <Irfan> NeilS: for NVDA plugin, it is mostly like what they support internally about SSML.
14:49:05 <Irfan> janina: you do not need to implement every feature in order to make it useful as per the spec
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14:51:05 <Irfan> JF: as long as it is publicly available it can be hosted on private server. we just need to have a URL where anyone can go and test it.
14:51:39 <Irfan> rrsagent, make minutes
14:51:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/24-pronunciation-minutes.html Irfan
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