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15:59:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:59:19 <trackbot> Date: 24 March 2021
15:59:27 <becky> agenda?
15:59:39 <paul_grenier> present+
15:59:42 <becky> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements; Charter; Time Changes
15:59:42 <becky> agenda+ New Group Calendaring Service -
15:59:42 <becky> https://www.w3.org/blog/2021/03/group-calendaring-service-enters-beta-test/
15:59:42 <becky> agenda+ Task Force Updates
15:59:43 <becky> agenda+ FAST Progress
15:59:43 <becky> agenda+ New Charters Review
15:59:44 <becky> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
15:59:44 <becky> agenda+ Horizontal Review Issues Tracker
15:59:44 <becky> https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
15:59:44 <becky> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:59:45 <becky> agenda+ CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
15:59:45 <becky> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs)
15:59:46 <becky> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
15:59:46 <becky> agenda+ Other Business
15:59:46 <becky> agenda+ be done
15:59:58 <janina> present+
16:00:01 <becky> chair: becky
16:00:13 <becky> present+
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16:02:40 <JF> Present+
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16:02:53 <JF> agenda?
16:03:07 <IanPouncey> present+
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16:03:23 <joconnor> present+
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16:03:30 <becky> regrets, Gottfried Zimmerman
16:03:31 <FredrikFischer> present+
16:03:34 <amy_c> present+
16:03:51 <becky> zakim, pick a victim
16:03:51 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose JF
16:03:59 <FredrikFischer> Janina is.
16:04:09 <becky> chair: becky
16:04:33 <becky> chair ?
16:04:45 <becky> Chair: becky
16:04:47 <FredrikFischer> The EU is phasing daylight time out, by the way. ItÄs projected to be phased out in 2023.
16:04:57 <JF> zakim, who is chair?
16:04:57 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, JF.
16:06:55 <FredrikFischer> The trouble is, it has to be implemented on all the national levels first before it can be officially phased out. The French are not amúséd.
16:07:31 <joconnor> scribe: joconnor
16:07:40 <joconnor> zakim, take up item 1
16:07:40 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements; Charter; Time Changes -- taken up [from becky]
16:07:57 <joconnor> BG: Anything that people want to add?
16:08:04 <becky> https://www.w3.org/blog/2021/03/group-calendaring-service-enters-beta-test/
16:08:08 <joconnor> Please be aware of the group calendaring
16:08:29 <FredrikFischer> I'll double check it.
16:08:31 <joconnor> Anyone have feedback or like to review for a11y?
16:08:54 <joconnor> BG: Thats great
16:09:03 <joconnor> JS: Actions to track?
16:09:04 <FredrikFischer> How formal do you want the check to be?
16:09:08 <FredrikFischer> Please, yes.
16:09:17 <joconnor> ACTION: Fredrik to check the a11y of the calendar
16:09:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2285 - Check the a11y of the calendar [on Fredrik Fischer - due 2021-03-31].
16:09:29 <FredrikFischer> Right. I was more concerned with the formatting.
16:09:38 <joconnor> JS: If you find issues we can escalate for fixes.
16:09:41 <FredrikFischer> @Janina: sure.
16:09:57 <joconnor> JW: I did use if for RQTF - didn't encounter any
16:10:05 <JF> @Fredrik - any format works: email would suffice
16:10:10 <joconnor> JS: ARIA are using it
16:10:38 <joconnor> JS: Also next week EU goes to daylight time
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16:10:43 <IrfanA> present+
16:11:01 <joconnor> Sydney moves April 4th
16:11:22 <joconnor> zakim close item 2
16:11:26 <joconnor> zakim, close item 2
16:11:26 <Zakim> agendum 2, New Group Calendaring Service -, closed
16:11:28 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:11:28 <Zakim> 1. Agenda Review & Announcements; Charter; Time Changes [from becky]
16:11:31 <joconnor> zakim, take up next
16:11:31 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force Updates -- taken up [from becky]
16:11:44 <joconnor> BG: The TFs are busy
16:12:01 <joconnor> Personalization are cleaning up doc and working away
16:12:16 <joconnor> JS: For COGA CFC, that we know is postponed for a week
16:12:31 <joconnor> We have found issues
16:12:55 <joconnor> I've looked through, extra content needed to explain how the doc is organised is needed
16:13:12 <Fazio_> present+
16:13:16 <Fazio_> uh oh
16:13:21 <joconnor> BG: EO is also looking at it
16:13:28 <becky> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35532/COGA-accept-response/results
16:13:34 <joconnor> They have a survey on some of the issues, if you want to look
16:13:47 <joconnor> We'd like all to review
16:13:58 <joconnor> JS: RQTF also had a request for a CFC
16:14:51 <joconnor> JOC: I've prepped e'thing and think we just need URIs for the CFC if that is possible by Michael
16:15:03 <FredrikFischer> @JF thanks!
16:15:06 <joconnor> JW: Gives overview of the RAUR and XAUR status
16:15:45 <joconnor> We discussed all related feedback, including new comments via Silver group
16:16:15 <joconnor> The TF is satisfied with the state of the document
16:16:30 <paul_grenier> I can't access the COGA questionnaire (linked above) "You are NOT allowed to see this questionnaire." Are we meant to just review the results?
16:16:59 <MichaelC> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/6d5bf713d9d7c65ecda104c213ad47b0e98cfbe1/raur/index.html
16:17:03 <MichaelC> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/6d5bf713d9d7c65ecda104c213ad47b0e98cfbe1/xaur/index.html
16:17:04 <joconnor> MC: I can give you URIs for these
16:17:14 <joconnor> JOC: Great
16:17:39 <joconnor> Janina: Maybe Michael should have a look
16:17:47 <joconnor> MC: You could do that.
16:18:08 <joconnor> MC: Documents are valid, thats good.
16:18:28 <joconnor> Looks like my comments wouldn't invalidate a CFC
16:18:31 <FredrikFischer> +1 on Paul's question about the questionaire.
16:18:55 <joconnor> JS: Sounds like we are pretty safe
16:19:10 <joconnor> I'll put out the CFC
16:19:43 <joconnor> BG: Paul has a question about the COGA questionairre
16:19:56 <joconnor> <Discussion of access issues>
16:20:18 <joconnor> BG: On the EO survey
16:20:40 <joconnor> Paul should be able to review
16:20:43 <FredrikFischer> Aha. right. Thanks.
16:21:29 <joconnor> JW: Just to finish - there is work in RQTF on Media Syncronisation and work on Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements ongoing
16:21:36 <joconnor> BG: Pronunciation?
16:21:50 <joconnor> Irf: We are keeping Micheal busy - we have a final edit etc
16:21:58 <joconnor> Planning on FPWD
16:22:09 <joconnor> Will then send to Michael for review
16:22:34 <joconnor> We have followed guidelines etc and will forward for CFC
16:22:43 <joconnor> JS: Spoken presentation
16:22:57 <joconnor> JS: We'll need a TR link
16:23:00 <joconnor> MC: Timeline?
16:23:31 <joconnor> Irf: Making final change tonight - by end of week
16:23:47 <joconnor> MC: Will put on my list
16:23:57 <joconnor> BG: Anything else?
16:24:26 <joconnor> DF: COGA are working through the issues etc - should be a couple of weeks
16:24:38 <joconnor> zakim, take up next
16:24:38 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- FAST Progress -- taken up [from becky]
16:25:11 <joconnor> MC: Within the Functional Needs subgroup we have been discussing the user needs
16:25:25 <joconnor> We are looking at structural options - start that with the Silver TF and expand
16:25:36 <joconnor> Will tie into Silver and FAST guideline dev
16:25:40 <joconnor> Thats it really
16:25:48 <joconnor> Packed agenda for tomorrow
16:25:52 <joconnor> BG: Good to see progress
16:26:00 <joconnor> zakim, take up next
16:26:00 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- New Charters Review -- taken up [from becky]
16:26:36 <joconnor> MC: There are no new charters for us
16:26:37 <joconnor> zakim, take up next
16:26:37 <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, joconnor
16:26:39 <joconnor> zakim, take up next
16:26:39 <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, joconnor
16:26:51 <joconnor> zakim, close this item
16:26:51 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
16:26:52 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:26:52 <Zakim> 6. Horizontal Review Issues Tracker [from becky]
16:26:55 <joconnor> zakim, take up next
16:26:55 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Horizontal Review Issues Tracker -- taken up [from becky]
16:27:26 <joconnor> MC: There are two types of issue here, new for our attention
16:27:27 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5857
16:27:30 <joconnor> CSS containment
16:28:05 <joconnor> Lots of discussion, flagged a week ago.
16:28:11 <joconnor> Should we track?
16:28:33 <joconnor> BG: Yes
16:28:49 <joconnor> <Volunteers>?
16:29:01 <joconnor> BG: They want AT users feedback
16:29:09 <FredrikFischer> One time has to be the first: let me! :)
16:29:38 <FredrikFischer> I am.
16:29:51 <FredrikFischer> Not just in the subjunctive.
16:29:53 <joconnor> BG: Thanks Fredrik!
16:29:55 <FredrikFischer> Yup.
16:30:09 <FredrikFischer> Yes.
16:30:32 <FredrikFischer> fredrika11y
16:30:41 <FredrikFischer> No!
16:30:51 <FredrikFischer> fredrika11y
16:31:22 <joconnor> MC: <Adds Fredrik to GH issue>
16:31:26 <FredrikFischer> @Becky: any deadline?
16:31:48 <FredrikFischer> Great. Thanks!
16:32:05 <FredrikFischer> Okay. Thanks!
16:32:16 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5983
16:32:20 <joconnor> MC: We have two issues, that are proposed as dealt with
16:32:26 <joconnor> CSS override details
16:32:57 <joconnor> MC: Ian says its ok, happy to close?
16:33:02 <joconnor> Amy?
16:33:07 <joconnor> AC: Thats ok
16:33:11 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5927
16:33:16 <joconnor> CSS Ruby layout
16:33:38 <joconnor> MC: We chatted a month or so ago, no decisions
16:33:55 <joconnor> JF was involved, is this ok to close?
16:34:19 <joconnor> JF: I'm not sure if they have answered the question
16:34:26 <joconnor> <JF outlines his concerns>
16:35:09 <joconnor> JF: Maybe UA issue
16:35:16 <joconnor> JS: If so, I'd rather agree
16:35:47 <joconnor> JF: I've not seen a working example
16:35:59 <joconnor> Happy to watch it.
16:36:19 <joconnor> <JF riffs on details and summary patterns>
16:36:48 <joconnor> JS: We are happy if the implementation of the spec includes keyboard a11y
16:37:03 <joconnor> Can we revisit?
16:37:11 <joconnor> MC: In terms of this tool, no.
16:37:29 <joconnor> We can say we want to see - a keyboard supported expand/collapse
16:37:34 <joconnor> but not trackable.
16:37:39 <joconnor> JF: We could file issue
16:37:49 <joconnor> MC: Messy
16:37:58 <joconnor> We can comment
16:38:25 <joconnor> MC: An open issue with stop it going ahead
16:38:44 <joconnor> <Discussion continues>
16:39:21 <joconnor> JS: Sounds like a note like this is good
16:39:29 <joconnor> We can develop it
16:39:53 <joconnor> MC: Leaving open, but we want to see a demo of keyboard supported expand/collapse
16:40:07 <joconnor> BG: They may need to add UI
16:40:42 <joconnor> JF: Ruby expanded/collapsed state info needs to be exposed
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16:41:21 <joconnor> JF: <riff on ARIA states>
16:41:39 <joconnor> MC: Relates to bigger issue on CSS => A11y tree
16:41:48 <joconnor> JS: lets not do that now
16:42:34 <joconnor> MC: We may need an issue in the CSS A11y tracker
16:42:36 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
16:42:41 <joconnor> Can someone file it
16:42:44 <joconnor> JF: I will
16:43:40 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/55
16:44:18 <joconnor> MC: We should move this into TR, closer
16:44:37 <joconnor> BG: Last one?
16:44:54 <joconnor> zakim, take up next
16:44:54 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from becky]
16:44:56 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/1
16:45:11 <joconnor> MC: <Gives overview of new repo>
16:45:27 <joconnor> When groups go into wide review
16:46:00 <joconnor> MC: In our wiki we decided in level 5 not to review
16:46:15 <joconnor> We could decline to review
16:46:22 <joconnor> JS: Thats ok
16:46:36 <joconnor> BG: <gives overview>
16:46:51 <joconnor> MC: Ok, that signals to them that we are done with Horz review
16:46:53 <joconnor> thats it
16:47:13 <joconnor> PG: I had an action about the vocabulary
16:47:30 <joconnor> I gave it a thumbs up, defer to JF
16:47:56 <joconnor> Image resource
16:48:00 <joconnor> JF: Ongoing
16:48:09 <JF> https://github.com/w3c/image-resource/issues/39
16:48:44 <joconnor> JF: <Gives overview of issue>
16:49:52 <joconnor> JF: Issue still open - being discussed, going well
16:50:03 <joconnor> BG: Relates to the manifest issue?
16:50:06 <joconnor> PG: Yup
16:50:38 <becky> https://github.com/w3c/manifest-app-info/issues/29
16:50:39 <paul_grenier> I found https://github.com/w3c/manifest-app-info/issues/29
16:51:36 <joconnor> PG: There is a PR showing people how to clarify
16:52:01 <joconnor> JF: These issues are related
16:52:28 <joconnor> BG: Anything else?
16:52:47 <JF> agenda?
16:52:49 <joconnor> zakim, take up next
16:52:51 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from becky]
16:53:04 <joconnor> BG: Amy?
16:53:15 <joconnor> AC: I have things marked as questions from TPAC
16:53:24 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/6
16:53:30 <joconnor> Can we run thru?
16:53:44 <joconnor> CSS counterstyles - there had been a review
16:54:04 <joconnor> Still needs review
16:54:16 <joconnor> Need a status check on this.
16:54:21 <joconnor> JS: This is old
16:54:38 <joconnor> IP: I dont remember it
16:54:53 <joconnor> BG: OCBE
16:55:17 <joconnor> AC: We can close then
16:55:25 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/9
16:55:38 <joconnor> CSS Rhythmic Sizing
16:56:08 <joconnor> AC: We were to bring back to CSS - seems to still be public WD
16:56:21 <joconnor> Do they need us to review?
16:56:37 <joconnor> JS: I'd wait for it to come around, unless we have an issue
16:57:00 <joconnor> BG: We can wait till they ask for formal review
16:57:04 <joconnor> JS: Yup
16:57:19 <joconnor> BG: Close with a note for formal review
16:57:25 <joconnor> AC: Sounds good
16:57:31 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/12
16:57:45 <joconnor> Web Animations
16:58:03 <joconnor> These have the same note - relates to reduced motion etc
16:58:07 <joconnor> Drop?
16:58:14 <joconnor> JS: OCBE
16:58:30 <joconnor> Fixed by media queries 5
16:58:52 <joconnor> BG: Thanks Amy
16:59:20 <joconnor> zakim, list attendees
16:59:20 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been paul_grenier, janina, becky, jasonjgw, JF, IanPouncey, joconnor, FredrikFischer, amy_c, IrfanA, Fazio_
16:59:27 <joconnor> trackbot, end meeting
16:59:27 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:59:27 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been paul_grenier, janina, becky, jasonjgw, JF, IanPouncey, joconnor, FredrikFischer, amy_c, IrfanA, Fazio_
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16:59:36 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2021/03/24-apa-actions.rdf :
16:59:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Fredrik to check the a11y of the calendar [1]
16:59:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/03/24-apa-irc#T16-09-17