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12:07:36 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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12:07:41 <jtandy> https://w3c.github.io/sdw/roadmap/charter-2020.html
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12:08:12 <AndreaPerego> present+
12:08:18 <AndreaPerego> chair: jtandy
12:08:31 <PeterR> Charter - some updates from w3c. Scope: create web standards for geospatial
12:08:35 <AndreaPerego> scribe: PeterR
12:08:44 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: PeterR
12:08:56 <PeterR> Background was in scope, now moved to 4.1 - background.
12:09:52 <PeterR> ScottSimmons: re-charter existing wg - expedited comment, followed by simple vote in plenary TC or email
12:09:58 <PeterR> jtandy: will do vote by email
12:10:08 <AndreaPerego> meeting: SDW teleconference
12:10:20 <PeterR> jtandy: will check with Ted from w3c side
12:10:52 <PeterR> jtandy: please look at charter, not too late for amendments.
12:11:01 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdwig/2021Mar/0010.html
12:11:03 <PeterR> ScottSimmons: will add some suggestions
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12:11:31 <PeterR> jtandy: w3c are  also seeking to have better understanding on accessibility and inclusion work.
12:12:21 <PeterR> jtandy: accessibility related to location info e.g. accessible routes. Want to roll into re-vamp of BP doc
12:12:54 <PeterR> brinkwoman: A bit early, discussions with M Cooper w3c. Could have discussions between our group and others doing accessibility work
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12:14:28 <brinkwoman> PeterR: focus on map accessibility right now in mapML CG
12:14:44 <PeterR> brinkwoman: For me, not quite clear but it does sound like something we could help with
12:15:12 <PeterR> PeterR: we have been working on accessibility this winter with Fizz Studio, community members
12:16:27 <jtandy> q?
12:16:30 <AndreaPerego> present+ alexr, brinkwoman, ByronCinNZ, christian, ClemensPortele, eparsons, Gobe, josephabhayaratna, JoshLie, jtandy, jvanulde, MichaelGordon, nfino, PeterR, roba, RobSmith, ScottSimmons, SteveO, sts
12:16:33 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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12:17:27 <PeterR> chris little: accessibility - change from CamelCase to Kebab_Kase - is there an accessibility issue that w3c group could comment on
12:18:44 <PeterR> jtandy: agenda item: Clara to update on Best Practices; updates proposed by Andrea re:DCAT 2
12:19:01 <AndreaPerego> topic: PR https://github.com/w3c/sdw/pull/1247
12:19:07 <PeterR> jtandy: Simon Cox raised issue that Best Practice formatting could be improved
12:19:28 <PeterR> jtandy: need members to help Clara updating Thank you!
12:20:39 <PeterR> clara: changing country location has precluded a lot of work on BP doc.  Very pleased to have help... meeting at beginning of April
12:21:40 <AndreaPerego> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/pull/1247
12:21:53 <PeterR> jtandy: Topic PR above - what are the changes Andrea?
12:22:28 <PeterR> AndreaPerego: Mostly editorial changes. More extensive support to spatial and temporal
12:22:50 <PeterR> AndreaPerego: New curves, bounding boxes, two  props for spatial and temporal resolution
12:23:14 <PeterR> AndreaPerego: Have updated examples using DCAT for specification of geometries and spatial resolution
12:23:49 <PeterR> AndreaPerego: No changes to recommendations. Some changes include updates to geospatial extensions to DCAT (new version).
12:24:22 <PeterR> AndreaPerego: some additional properties that were not included in earlier version.
12:24:38 <jtandy> q?
12:25:45 <PeterR> jtandy: PR that Andrea made is quite detailed; other changes such as units vocab - is that what you meant by extra changes
12:26:25 <JoshLie> +1
12:26:54 <PeterR> AndreaPerego: Yes, have harmonized vocab -  unfortunately last time formatting issues, the library used for w3c specs included some stuff not desirable
12:27:25 <jtandy> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues/1248
12:27:31 <PeterR> AndreaPerego: w3c spec thing doesn't take into account some of what we did in our BP doc, should be addressed on W3C side
12:27:57 <PeterR> AndreaPerego: Yes this relates  to the 1248 issue mentioned by jtandy
12:28:49 <PeterR> jtandy: brinkwoman and jtandy to take up with Ted @ w3c, get addressed.
12:28:52 <brinkwoman> q+
12:29:52 <jtandy> ack brinkwoman
12:29:57 <PeterR> jtandy: Are there any other comments re: formatting etc, waiting for moment to include changes
12:30:37 <roba> q+
12:31:05 <PeterR> brinkwoman:  2016/2017 will there be interest in renewing effort on (?)
12:31:24 <brinkwoman> on standardizing GeoDCAT-AP at OGC
12:31:25 <jtandy> q?
12:31:50 <PeterR> AndreaPerego: It's an option; was an initiative of OGC; interest on part of stakeholders?
12:32:36 <PeterR> Gobe: was discussion.  Is in accord with charter, or to extend other charter to extend geodcat AP
12:32:42 <JoshLie> q+
12:32:52 <PeterR> jtandy: Is there any action short term for this group or elsewhere?
12:32:54 <jtandy> ack roba
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12:33:25 <PeterR> roba: currently working related to use cases for profiling ogc standards. This is an interesting use case.
12:33:40 <PeterR> roba: Anyone referencing geodcat AP as if it is a thing?
12:33:46 <Gobe_> GeoDCAT API Discussion Paper published in 2019 https://portal.ogc.org/files/?artifact_id=82475
12:34:03 <Gobe_> typo - API should have been AP
12:34:30 <AndreaPerego> GeoDCAT-AP current version here: https://semiceu.github.io/GeoDCAT-AP/releases/
12:34:31 <PeterR> roba: will set up assertions,  GeoDCAT API experimental relations
12:34:55 <PeterR> roba: People could reply with if that is a good way of looking at the world. Give it experimental status.
12:35:07 <AndreaPerego> s/GeoDCAT API/GeoDCAT-AP/
12:35:07 <PeterR> jtandy: Use SDW github repo, create issue
12:35:08 <AndreaPerego> s/GeoDCAT API/GeoDCAT-AP/
12:35:13 <PeterR> roba: I will do that
12:35:26 <jtandy> q?
12:35:31 <jtandy> ack JoshLie
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12:36:17 <PeterR> JoshLie: has been discussed: ? linked features interop experiments and conclusion that most effective way to connect web and real world is range 14
12:36:57 <roba> NB OGC definitions server supports range-14 redirects ;-)
12:37:26 <PeterR> JoshLie: looking to do that in disaster pilot. interesting, because it's a hack 303 redirect see other by delving into page you're redirected to you then deduce after the fact that you were at something physical. Similar in web of things, even though thing...
12:38:03 <AndreaPerego> present+ clara
12:38:04 <PeterR> JoshLie: is now the time to attack that basic property of the web. http 3xx series represent redirections, why not create one specific to this use case?
12:38:18 <PeterR> JoshLie: the redirect itself carries the connection
12:38:50 <roba> q+
12:39:02 <PeterR> JoshLie: connect physical anc cyber domains via redirect code. How to suggest that info on web is a representation of something in the real world?
12:39:16 <PeterR> jtandy: Who owns HTTP spec? A: ietf.
12:39:43 <PeterR> jtandy: This is something we could take action, reach out to them. Clemens, do you have any contacts?
12:39:54 <PeterR> ClemensPortele: I can look up, send email.
12:40:36 <PeterR> JoshLie: My suggestion is that we consider it as item for revised charter. Underpins other efforts to incorporate geo into web more fundamentally, explicitly
12:41:05 <PeterR> chris little: since we have to talk to AR people, they always are describing real world things.
12:41:24 <ClemensPortele> IETF HTTP Core repository: https://github.com/httpwg/http-core. For example, see https://httpwg.org/http-core/draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics-latest.html
12:41:26 <PeterR> JoshLie: AR has bypassed using URLs for physical objects.
12:41:30 <RobSmith> q+
12:42:08 <PeterR> jtandy: have AR group on our coordination list in charter; may want to clarify that.
12:42:16 <jtandy> q?
12:42:23 <PeterR> JoshLie: Could include this item in discussions with the AR group as well.
12:42:27 <ClemensPortele> And this the home for extensions that are under development: https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions
12:43:17 <jtandy> q?
12:43:24 <jtandy> ack roba
12:44:04 <PeterR> roba: generalize; using new code is one aspect.  Some work has been done, conneg by profile, CRS; whole range of dimensions to choose appropriate representation, not 100% sure that status code is the way to go. It should be on the charter, share liason work. range 14: spike original source properly?
12:44:23 <PeterR> roba: look at mechanisms for identifying representations.
12:44:50 <PeterR> JoshLie: these are complementary mechanisms, Rob.
12:45:16 <ClemensPortele> And if someone is interested in progressing conneg by profile in IETF, consider the current discussion in the IETF HTTP API WG, e.g., https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/httpapi/1OUzbFITjwXufIzJe6SKSXjdLfI/
12:45:28 <PeterR> jtandy: BP is split, is this an emerging practice?
12:45:57 <PeterR> roba: the generalization of conneg is pushing the envelope
12:46:21 <jtandy> q?
12:46:26 <ted> Present+ Ted
12:46:27 <jtandy> ack RobSmith
12:46:38 <ClemensPortele> q+ to mention the links I have added
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12:46:59 <PeterR> RobSmith: AR: geopose group, discussion with M McCool
12:47:00 <RobSmith> https://w3c.github.io/wot-usecases/#ar-guide
12:47:15 <jtandy> q?
12:47:21 <PeterR> jtandy: Clara will send an email doodle poll for meeting
12:47:41 <PeterR> Gobe: please register attendance on OGC portal
12:47:50 <jtandy> ack ClemensPortele
12:47:50 <Zakim> ClemensPortele, you wanted to mention the links I have added
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12:48:36 <Gobe_> All, for those with OGC Portal accounts, please register your attendance on the OGC Portal https://portal.ogc.org/?m=projects&a=view&project_id=476&tab=6
12:49:20 <PeterR> ClemensPortele: I added links to HTTP group above - both their core and extensions, and a link to current semantics document.  Conneg by profile - discussion on IETF working group.   If you want to progress that, you should volunteer in those discussions.
12:49:33 <PeterR> jtandy: challenge to keep http simple yet broad enough.
12:49:34 <roba> the discussion is mixing up two things - media type profiles vs negotiation by profile
12:49:34 <jtandy> q?
12:50:50 <PeterR> roba: having looked at discussion; Lars brought conneg up to data exchange wg; ability to provide different views of same data. Involved in definitions server.  Mixing profiling of mime type with conneg by profile.
12:51:12 <PeterR> roba: xml can have a profile that is gml.  Couple of different things at play, to be aware of.
12:51:51 <PeterR> jtandy: seems to be multiple bodies trying to pursue. would it be helpful to organize a session on how to engage with different standardization groups. what do you think?
12:52:13 <PeterR> brinkwoman: might be of interest.  conneg by crs.
12:52:39 <PeterR> roba: look at in context of OGC API suite.  Access same feature in multiple ways. how does OGC API get in the way of doing that?
12:52:51 <jtandy> q?
12:52:58 <PeterR> ClemensPortele: To make progress, needs to be taken up by IETF, not just OGC.
12:53:37 <PeterR> jtandy: brinkwoman and jtandy to package this as a problem to solve, organize a session to define a direction
12:53:38 <jtandy> q?
12:54:32 <PeterR> jtandy: SDW BP document - have option of going through, identifying where Clara is seeking assistance.  Open question.
12:54:54 <PeterR> clara: Please fill in doodle poll
12:55:12 <jtandy> q?
12:56:28 <PeterR> roba: shapechange to create our model from UML. Other models could benefit. Are you aware of other models, e.g. LandINfra, cityGML Looking for  a UML to RDF conversion.  How good is the tooling?
12:56:52 <RobSmith> q+
12:56:57 <PeterR> ClemensPortele: Send me an email about that. There has been progress in some places, but not sure where it's at now, can check.
12:56:59 <jtandy> ack RobSmith
12:57:48 <jtandy> q?
12:57:51 <PeterR> RobSmith: Activities in TC: I'm presenting at GeoAI; there is a GeoEthics and GeoPose group presentations on geovideo.
12:58:19 <ted> Peter: we are going to hold an adhoc tomorrow on MapML, same time as this meeting
12:58:25 <ted> scribe+
12:59:00 <ted> … goal to engage browser teams through the W3C for mainstreaming maps in browsers, emphasis on accessibiity needs
12:59:18 <ted> … intend to launch a OGC SWIG
12:59:24 <jtandy> q?
12:59:32 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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13:00:33 <PeterR> Thanks Ted !
13:00:57 <PeterR> Thanks for your help Andrea with the buttons and levers on this thing!
13:01:18 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been AndreaPerego, alexr, brinkwoman, ByronCinNZ, christian, ClemensPortele, eparsons, Gobe, josephabhayaratna, JoshLie, jtandy,
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13:01:23 <RRSAgent> I see no action items