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17:41:04 <Zakim> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
17:41:18 <jeanne> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
17:41:18 <jeanne> present:
17:41:18 <jeanne> chair: Shawn, jeanne
17:41:18 <jeanne> present+
17:41:19 <jeanne> zakim, clear agenda
17:41:19 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
17:41:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/19-silver-minutes.html jeanne
17:41:19 <jeanne> q?
17:41:19 <Zakim> agenda cleared
17:42:07 <jeanne> agenda+ aligning with ACT
17:42:07 <jeanne> agenda+ updates from people working on comments
17:42:07 <jeanne> agenda+ resume work on AAA and bronze silver gold
17:42:43 <jeanne> regrets+ Bruce, Sarah
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17:59:09 <Chuck> agenda?
17:59:26 <sajkaj> present+
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17:59:59 <ToddLibby> I'm only irc today due to another meeting going on right now
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18:02:34 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
18:02:34 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- aligning with ACT -- taken up [from jeanne]
18:02:40 <CharlesHall> present+
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18:03:39 <Francis_Storr> JS: ACT is the AGWG subgroup working on accessibility conformance testing. There was a recent conversation on how we can align more closely with them.
18:03:43 <AngelaAccessForAll> present+
18:03:47 <laura> present+ Laura_Carlson
18:04:44 <Francis_Storr> JS: they're interested in picking a couple of guidelines and working with a subgroup to go through "the whole thing" to work out how WCAG 3 is set up and for the WCAG "side" to get more info on testing.
18:04:48 <Lauriat> Awesome, all of that sounds great!
18:05:03 <Francis_Storr> JS: they want to invite us to a meeting about this.
18:05:24 <shari> present+
18:05:25 <Francis_Storr> JS: are there any subgroups who are interested in this?
18:05:49 <JF> +1 to Janina
18:05:52 <sarahhorton> q+
18:05:53 <JF> me too!
18:06:08 <Chuck> +1 interested in attending
18:06:23 <ChrisLoiselle> What was the meeting time? +1
18:06:49 <Chuck> 9am ET
18:06:53 <Chuck> Thu
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18:07:42 <Chuck> q+
18:07:55 <Lauriat> ack sarahhorton
18:08:37 <Francis_Storr> SH: this is good timing as the Errors group is looking for tests at the moment and are looking at Techniques, rules, etc.
18:09:04 <Francis_Storr> SH: Dean from Errors group is working on rules at the moment.
18:09:15 <ChrisLoiselle> Please forward me the invite, I'd like to attend.
18:09:43 <Francis_Storr> JS: will also put out announcement on Tuesday to catch more people's awareness.
18:09:56 <Rachael> present+
18:10:36 <Lauriat> ack Chuck
18:10:40 <Francis_Storr> CL: this aligns quite well with visual contrast, is interested.
18:11:16 <Francis_Storr> CA: very interested in how ACT would work with structured content, e.g. how many headings are there vs. should there be on a page?
18:11:50 <Francis_Storr> CA: a difference in the amount of headings there should be on a page can make a big difference in the score.
18:11:56 <sajkaj> zakim, who's here?
18:11:56 <Zakim> Present: jeanne, sajkaj, ToddLibby, JF, Chuck, MichaelC, Francis_Storr, Lauriat, ChrisLoiselle, sarahhorton, KimD, jennifer_strickland, CharlesHall, AngelaAccessForAll,
18:12:00 <Zakim> ... Laura_Carlson, shari, Rachael
18:12:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see RickBoardman, AngelaAccessForAll, laura, shari, CharlesHall, jennifer_strickland, KimD, sarahhorton, ChrisLoiselle, Francis_Storr, Lauriat, JF, Chuck, sajkaj,
18:12:00 <Zakim> ... johnkirkwood, ToddLibby, RRSAgent, jeanne, Jemma, Zakim, MichaelC, Rachael, jcraig, alastairc, joconnor, AWK
18:12:11 <Lauriat> +1, and I think ACT can help us navigate things like that.
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18:12:35 <Francis_Storr> CA: I'm interested in numerous other examples, but structured content is the first one that springs to mind.
18:12:57 <JF> Q+
18:13:04 <Francis_Storr> JS: going to reach out to new leaders of some subgroups to gauge interest.
18:13:09 <jennifer_strickland> I'm here on the call, if that's helpful.
18:13:15 <Lauriat> ack JF
18:14:35 <JF> https://www.w3.org/TR/act-rules-format
18:14:36 <Francis_Storr> JF: Not sure if the ACT rules format is a standardized way of testing. Takes complex subjects and tries to take it down to a series of true/false questions.
18:14:36 <Chuck> Thanks John!
18:15:27 <JF> s/Not sure if the ACT rules format is a standardized way of testing./Not sure if the ACT rules format can address the concern Chuck rose about number of headings on a page.
18:15:28 <Francis_Storr> JST: happy to participate if have the availability.
18:15:58 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
18:15:58 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- updates from people working on comments -- taken up [from jeanne]
18:17:36 <Francis_Storr> ST: volunteered to work on comments on the requirements section. Started a Google Doc, will send link around. If anyone wants to help, that would be great.
18:18:56 <Francis_Storr> RB: volunteered to work on the usability of the documents, but haven't started yet as waiting to get some direction on where to start, but should I just dive in?
18:19:30 <Francis_Storr> JS: can meet next week to talk this through.
18:20:08 <Francis_Storr> JS: Michael Cooper suggested starting with the table of contents and create recommendations on what should happen.
18:20:58 <sajkaj> regrets+ Peter_Korn
18:21:21 <jeanne> Folder for processing comments Google docs <- https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1WQ5wfAQ30cfS3VfwspmvyN-mzhhyY9l-
18:21:22 <SuzanneTaylor> present+
18:23:50 <RickBoardman> @jeanne - I do not have write access to create a doc in the shared folder
18:24:42 <Francis_Storr> JS: is there anyone else working on responding to a comment?
18:24:48 <Rachael> I plan on doing so but not until late next week
18:25:06 <jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Issue_Processing_Report
18:25:25 <Francis_Storr> JS: has updated the weekly Issue Processing Report.
18:26:03 <Francis_Storr> JS: added a new line to add a breakdown by document section by GitHub issues.
18:26:45 <Francis_Storr> JS: if people think that individual searches per section would be useful, would be happy to set that up.
18:27:06 <Francis_Storr> JS: earlier today, met with AGWG chairs on how to speed this up.
18:27:35 <jeanne> https://github.com/w3c/silver/projects/5
18:27:36 <Francis_Storr> JS: Alistair recommended the project feature in GitHub to manage the breakdown of topics.
18:28:26 <Francis_Storr> JS: did an experiment in scoring.
18:28:55 <Francis_Storr> JS: will continue to experiment with this and keep us updated.
18:29:26 <Francis_Storr> JS: are there any subgroup issues that are ready to go to survey yet?
18:30:20 <Francis_Storr> CL: working with contrast team on issues, waiting on a reply to an email earlier this week. Will continue to work on that this week.
18:31:26 <Francis_Storr> MC: if you don't have access, send your details to him (Michael Cooper).
18:33:21 <jeanne> https://github.com/w3c/silver/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Subgroup%3A+Functional+Needs%22+created%3A%3E2020-11-01+sort%3Acreated-asc+
18:33:28 <johnkirkwood> present+
18:33:34 <sarahhorton> q+
18:33:44 <CharlesHall> thanks
18:33:53 <Lauriat> ack sarahhorton
18:34:33 <Francis_Storr> SH: for the Errors group, there's one issue. Todd has taken on monitoring issues and will contact Jeanne with some questions.
18:35:11 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
18:35:11 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- resume work on AAA and bronze silver gold -- taken up [from jeanne]
18:35:13 <Francis_Storr> JS: let Jeanne know feedback on accessing and keeping up to date with issues.
18:36:07 <jeanne> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ofQXzR6KxfQIXGQWwfw3VfkDkIHamyWxk_uCITxe3JQ/edit
18:37:09 <JF> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BjH_9iEr_JL8d7sE7BoQckmkpaDksKZiH7Q-RdDide4/edit#heading=h.r8n8wkp3rutl
18:37:27 <Francis_Storr> JS: working on a document for handling options on how to manage AAA criteria.
18:38:46 <Francis_Storr> JS: started looking at the AAA issue as a small piece of the bronze, silver, gold discussion.
18:40:50 <Francis_Storr> JS: for those who haven't seen this before, option 6 is new and edited based on Gregg Vanderheiden’s Response to the FPWD
18:42:46 <JF> Q+
18:42:52 <Francis_Storr> ST: talks about equivalent facilitation, Section 508, including a new Disney/Pixar technology around a separate app for audio description.
18:42:57 <Lauriat> ack JF
18:43:31 <Francis_Storr> JF: are we saying the only way to get gold is to do something in Silver as well?
18:44:34 <Francis_Storr> ST: I would say so—you'll need to do usability testing, which is currently part of Silver. It would be unlikely to achieve Gold without usability testing.
18:45:38 <Francis_Storr> ST: option 9 is trying to get towards a level of defensibility.
18:46:17 <Francis_Storr> JS: has opened up comments on the folder of documents, so anyone should be able to comment on it. If you seen spam comments, let Jeanne know.
18:47:52 <Chuck> q+ to ask how so?
18:47:58 <Lauriat> +1, that seems like a huge benefit for the web platform overall
18:48:34 <Lauriat> ack Chuck
18:48:34 <Zakim> Chuck, you wanted to ask how so?
18:49:25 <Francis_Storr> JSA: working on a specification on how to address and mark up pronunciation. FPWD is likely weeks away.
18:49:47 <Francis_Storr> SL: interested in looking at that specification.
18:50:38 <JF> Pronunciation TF: https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/technical-approach/
18:50:41 <Francis_Storr> SL: Chrome now has auto captioning for audio sources. Should have launched yesterday.
18:50:54 <Lauriat> Thanks, JF!
18:51:33 <Chuck> q+
18:51:47 <Francis_Storr> JS: any pros, cons, issues that people want to add to option 6?
18:52:09 <Lauriat> ack Chuck
18:53:03 <Francis_Storr> CA: early adoption of technologies is something I encourage but also see that it could create its own set of challenges.
18:55:02 <Francis_Storr> JF: the idea with option 7 is that in the world of compliance, legal, is that it's a mashup of A, AA, AAA.
18:55:35 <Francis_Storr> JF: rather than trying to perpetuate A, AA, AAA we know that there are some AAA requirements that could be AA.
18:55:53 <Francis_Storr> JF: the idea with Option 7 is to look at different content types.
18:56:24 <Francis_Storr> JF: there is no process with web-based apps as they don't have content.
18:57:14 <Francis_Storr> JF: Option 7 is an enticement to businesses as the more they do and the more points they get.
18:58:05 <Francis_Storr> JS: are there any other pro / cons comments?
18:58:30 <JF> +1 Suzanne!~
18:58:40 <Francis_Storr> ST: a pro would be that it's more applicable for games.
18:59:18 <Francis_Storr> JS: have a good weekend :)
18:59:42 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
18:59:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/19-silver-minutes.html jeanne
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