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14:49:16 <Zakim> inviting RRSAgent
14:49:17 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
14:49:18 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pchampin
14:49:26 <pchampin> meeting: RDF-star
14:49:30 <pchampin> chair: pchampin
14:49:38 <pchampin> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star/2021Mar/0038.html
14:49:38 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:49:38 <agendabot> agenda+ Announcements and newcomers
14:49:38 <agendabot> agenda+ Open actions
14:49:38 <agendabot> agenda+ Implementation reports
14:49:38 <agendabot> agenda+ What do we need to release our 2nd public draft?
14:49:41 <agendabot> agenda+ Open-ended discussions
14:50:39 <pchampin> present+
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15:00:54 <AndyS> present+
15:01:01 <gatemezing> present+
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15:03:01 <TallTed> present+
15:03:45 <ora> present+
15:04:01 <AndyS> scribe: AndyS
15:04:15 <pchampin> topic: Announcements and newcomers
15:04:30 <olaf> present+
15:04:47 <gatemezing> present+
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15:05:31 <AndyS> pchampin: pchampin and olaf holding a Lotico event on RDF-star (March 25, 16:00 UTC))
15:05:50 <pchampin> q?
15:05:58 <pchampin> Topic: Open actions
15:06:08 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Aaction
15:07:05 <olaf> q+
15:07:10 <pchampin> ack olaf
15:07:12 <AndyS> pchampin: Action to ask community about adding a URI to the RDF namespace
15:07:24 <AndyS> olaf: actions on me
15:07:29 <TallTed> email announcement of the Lotico event - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star/2021Mar/0039.html
15:07:31 <AndyS> ... (1) respond to james
15:07:46 <AndyS> ... (2) PR for <<>> for primaryExpressions
15:07:57 <AndyS> ... in-progress
15:08:13 <pchampin> q?
15:08:48 <pchampin> q?
15:09:00 <AndyS> AndyS: Gregg+Andy -- Getting nice URIs for tests in manifests
15:09:03 <pchampin> Topic: Implementation reports
15:09:15 <pchampin> PR: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/pull/131
15:09:28 <gkellogg> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/rdf-star/a8080d301f37c28636b3e99336cf9c242252d53f/reports/index.html
15:10:29 <AndyS> gkellogg: Infrastructure for handling EARL report and creating HTML for all impl reports.
15:10:52 <AndyS> ... WG process is 2 impls per feature.
15:11:15 <AndyS> ... Link off the RDF-star site from spec to external reports.
15:12:16 <AndyS> ... Andy asked that infra is one PR and then PR's per impl report to show how to do it and track the reports we receive
15:13:09 <AndyS> ... part of our CI
15:13:35 <AndyS> ... catch errors in incoming reports early.
15:14:21 <pchampin> q?
15:14:24 <AndyS> ... stretch goal: GH Actions
15:14:59 <AndyS> +1 to gkellogg's work to automate
15:15:19 <gatemezing> +1 to the report. Great work.
15:15:41 <AndyS> ... may be ask previous implementations who have mentioned they support RDF*
15:16:14 <AndyS> pchampin: Could be a good point to do a 2nd draft report.
15:17:28 <AndyS> gkellogg: Manifests sorting out first, then PRs from #131 (reports)
15:19:29 <pchampin> PROPOSED: once the manifests are sorted out, merge the Impl Report infrastructure
15:19:30 <AndyS> pchampin: Can we get the manifests committed?
15:19:51 <AndyS> +1
15:19:51 <pchampin> +1
15:19:55 <gkellogg> +1
15:19:55 <gatemezing> +1
15:19:57 <ora> +1
15:19:59 <william> +1
15:20:29 <olaf> +1
15:20:37 <TallTed> +1
15:20:38 <rivettp> +1
15:20:58 <pchampin> RESOLVED: once the manifests are sorted out, merge the Impl Report infrastructure
15:21:39 <pchampin> q?
15:21:55 <pchampin> Topic: What do we need to release our 2nd public draft?
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15:22:31 <AndyS> pchampin: Reaching a (meta)stable point
15:22:53 <AndyS> ... some open issues
15:23:03 <AndyS> ... some can be closed
15:23:19 <pchampin> q?
15:23:23 <AndyS> q+
15:23:23 <olaf> q+
15:23:27 <pchampin> ack AndyS
15:23:34 <pchampin> scribe: pchampin
15:24:09 <pchampin> AndyS: good idea to publish, and to pick some issues
15:24:17 <pchampin> ... gives us a clock tick, allow us to focus
15:24:33 <pchampin> ack olaf
15:25:01 <AndyS> olaf: Good idea. Suggestion to include:
15:25:06 <AndyS> ... <<>> in expressions
15:25:49 <AndyS> ... extend the overview with more examples - becoming tutorial/primer style.
15:25:54 <ora> +1 for Olaf's primer/tutorial section idea
15:26:05 <AndyS> pchampin: agree
15:26:28 <thomas> +1 to Olaf's proposal
15:26:34 <thomas> present+
15:26:51 <AndyS> olaf: Reads better for new readers.
15:26:58 <pchampin> q?
15:27:04 <gatemezing> +1 to have such a primer section
15:27:18 <AndyS> pchampin: SPARQL operators
15:27:45 <AndyS> ... low hanging fruit. Examples in issue and tests.
15:28:10 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/issues/121
15:30:00 <olaf> +1
15:30:06 <pchampin> action pchampin to write an explicit adaptation of "merge"
15:30:20 <AndyS> Action: pchampin: Will write some text WRT RDF-star merge
15:30:27 <gkellogg> +1
15:31:16 <AndyS> Also https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/pull/129
15:31:54 <AndyS> pchampin: proposed alt semantics - not getting much pull so withdraw PR.
15:32:14 <AndyS> ... semantic test suite needs updating to align with semantics defn.
15:32:33 <pchampin> action pchampin to align the Semantics test suite with the current content of the Semantics section
15:33:01 <pchampin> q?
15:33:02 <AndyS> action: pchampin to align the Semantics test suite with the current content of the Semantics section
15:34:23 <AndyS> pchampin: Overview; functions&operators; merge; impl reports
15:35:12 <AndyS> ... for 2nd draft.
15:35:22 <pchampin> PROPOSED: release 2nd public draft once {Overview; functions&operators; merge; impl reports} are included
15:35:31 <gkellogg> +1
15:35:33 <pchampin> +1
15:35:43 <thomas> 0
15:35:43 <olaf> +1
15:35:44 <AndyS> +1 -- and happy if less rather than push too far out
15:36:00 <gatemezing> +1 if possible at least 3 months after the 1st report
15:36:12 <ora> +1
15:36:46 <AndyS> "publish early, publish often"
15:37:04 <rivettp> +1
15:37:05 <TallTed> +1
15:37:09 <william> +1
15:37:17 <pchampin> RESOLVED: release 2nd public draft once {Overview; functions&operators; merge; impl reports} are included
15:37:23 <gatemezing> Who is the author AndyS ?
15:37:42 <pchampin> q?N
15:37:44 <pchampin> q?
15:37:50 <AndyS> me
15:38:19 <pchampin> Topic: Open-ended discussions
15:38:42 <gkellogg> q+
15:38:51 <pchampin> ack gkellogg
15:39:46 <AndyS> gkellogg: Industry input. Is this SA a possible barrier? Should we explain how RDF* -> RDF-star ?
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15:41:01 <AndyS> pchampin: Pavel was active we settled on this.
15:41:09 <AndyS> q+
15:41:27 <pchampin> ack AndyS
15:42:22 <pchampin> AndyS: explaining how to use current RDF-star (e.g. annotation) to "emulate" PG-mode
15:42:27 <thomas> q+
15:43:05 <olaf> ontotext
15:43:09 <gkellogg> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star#preliminary-implementations
15:44:02 <AndyS> New UC on uncertainty is definitely PG
15:44:22 <pchampin> ack thomas
15:44:55 <gkellogg> q+
15:44:56 <AndyS> thomas: Clarification Q: stop talking about PG but was decision to drop it?
15:45:07 <AndyS> ... is it a layer over SA?
15:45:37 <AndyS> pchampin: IIRC modes became confusing
15:45:46 <AndyS> ... need to check exactly what we decided
15:46:26 <AndyS> thomas: Does PG differ in a way that is not a layer over PG.
15:47:11 <olaf> q+
15:47:13 <AndyS> gkellogg: some systems may need to be PG - by either annotation or auto "infer" assert triple. Getting ahead of ourselves maybe.
15:47:44 <AndyS> ... some impls might have an index consideration.
15:47:58 <pchampin> q?
15:48:00 <AndyS> ... impl reports may help highlight this
15:48:09 <pchampin> ack gkellogg
15:48:12 <pchampin> ack olaf
15:48:55 <AndyS> olaf: agree - systems have been built RDF* and states Property Graph-like.
15:48:57 <AndyS> q+
15:49:32 <AndyS> ... annotation syntax. For them, change of syntax.
15:49:39 <pchampin> annotation syntax: {| ... |}
15:50:24 <AndyS> thomas: Q: no statements about not-asserted triple?
15:51:15 <AndyS> pchampin: change is not claim full support?
15:51:35 <pchampin> ack AndyS
15:51:36 <AndyS> ... media type may be involved
15:52:13 <william> well I believe that's what Eye does
15:52:15 <pchampin> AndyS: another way of providing PG features would be to pre-process << >> to also assert them
15:52:30 <pchampin> ... and maintain consistency for deletion
15:53:08 <pchampin> ... some kind of inferencing
15:54:20 <thomas> RDF-star and RDF-STAR
15:54:32 <AndyS> pchampin: PG-mode only tests will fail.
15:55:02 <pchampin> q?
15:55:17 <AndyS> thomas: How many people need unasserted triples?
15:55:18 <AndyS> q+
15:55:49 <TallTed> unasserted are vital.   `Mary says "Bob is stupid".`
15:55:56 <pchampin> ack AndyS
15:57:23 <pchampin> q?
15:57:23 <TallTed> s/Bob is stupid/the_moon is green_cheese/
15:58:15 <AndyS> william: SA related to reification?
15:59:01 <pchampin> q?
15:59:25 <AndyS> pchampin: Thanks everyone - meeting closed
15:59:26 <william> thanks! bye
15:59:29 <olaf> Thanks!
15:59:31 <gatemezing> bye!
15:59:33 <thomas> bye!
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15:59:40 <ora> bye
16:00:21 <AndyS> zakim, close meeting
16:00:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close meeting', AndyS
16:00:35 <AndyS> rrsagent, close meeting
16:00:35 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'close meeting', AndyS.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:01:20 <AndyS> zakim, end meeting
16:01:20 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been gatemezing, TallTed, gkellogg, thomas, pchampin, olaf, ora, rivettp, AndyS, james
16:01:22 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:01:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/19-rdf-star-minutes.html Zakim
16:01:25 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, AndyS; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:01:43 <AndyS> rrsagent, excuse
16:01:43 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'excuse', AndyS.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:02:00 <AndyS> rrsagent, please leave us
16:02:00 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2021/03/19-rdf-star-actions.rdf :
16:02:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pchampin: Will write some text WRT RDF-star merge [1]
16:02:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/03/19-rdf-star-irc#T15-30-20
16:02:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pchampin to align the Semantics test suite with the current content of the Semantics section [2]
16:02:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/03/19-rdf-star-irc#T15-33-02