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15:32:37 <MichaelC> meeting: Functional Needs
15:32:40 <JakeAbma_> present+
15:32:40 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-a11y-functional-needs/2021Mar/0007.html
15:32:52 <MichaelC> agenda+ Continued exploration of user needs restructure
15:32:59 <Todd> present+
15:33:03 <MichaelC> agenda+ How to approach intersectional / emergent needs
15:33:13 <MichaelC> agenda+ Plan work of the sub-group
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15:34:04 <CharlesHall> present+
15:34:15 <MichaelC> present+
15:34:18 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
15:34:18 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Continued exploration of user needs restructure -- taken up [from MichaelC]
15:34:27 <MichaelC> Thoughts from Jake: https://www.w3.org/mid/CAMpCG4E6Enm6-K=e=oTVBwnDgidkRWo+GhT+OnZfzn_wDr0n-w@mail.gmail.com
15:34:51 <joconnor> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-a11y-functional-needs/2021Mar/0008.html
15:35:09 <joconnor> JA: some of the needs 'voicing' is different
15:35:54 <joconnor> Maybe needs to be consistent
15:36:10 <joconnor> We need a clear example of what we mean
15:37:00 <joconnor> <jake suggests different groupings>
15:37:45 <MichaelC> q+ to talk about layers of detail, grouping
15:38:32 <joconnor> q+
15:38:44 <joconnor> ack me
15:38:44 <MichaelC> ack jo
15:39:49 <CharlesHall> q+
15:39:59 <MichaelC> ack ch
15:40:35 <joconnor> CH: We need an editorial template for how these are writte
15:40:43 <joconnor> s/writte/written
15:41:01 <joconnor> CH: We may also need to choose terms carefully and define some
15:41:10 <joconnor> What is a user need?
15:41:14 <joconnor> We need definition.
15:41:53 <joconnor> I think these are complimentary to the function needs doc
15:41:57 <MichaelC> ack me
15:41:57 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to talk about layers of detail, grouping
15:42:17 <joconnor> MC: These issues raised are good
15:42:43 <joconnor> Some of these are a mix of what I wrote in the original user needs doc
15:43:37 <joconnor> I was leaving space for transforming of content for example.
15:43:59 <joconnor> So is structuring these user needs biased by our experience of transforming content
15:44:20 <joconnor> There are potential diff levels of need - and we may need to define terms
15:44:47 <joconnor> I use 'understanding' in that users can understand content
15:44:55 <joconnor> May have a diff interpretation etc
15:45:13 <joconnor> q+
15:45:26 <joconnor> MC: Defining user needs may be an important next step
15:45:28 <joconnor> ack me
15:46:31 <CharlesHall> Definition (high-level) The end goal a user has when embarking on a path or process through digital means.
15:46:43 <CharlesHall> Definition (low-level) A task the user needs to accomplish. Example: I need to pay a bill.
15:47:20 <joconnor> I can think on this template issue - and link in with Charles.
15:50:37 <joconnor> MC: We can work on the definition for user needs, happy to see proposals
15:50:51 <joconnor> MC: I agree with jake about groupings etc
15:53:35 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
15:53:35 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- How to approach intersectional / emergent needs -- taken up [from MichaelC]
15:54:00 <joconnor> MC: Charles has been looking at this, so where do you think this is at?
15:54:09 <joconnor> CH: Infancy from a functional needs perspective
15:54:21 <joconnor> We've listed obvious intersections as the need..
15:54:34 <joconnor> but need to look at where this is relevant to plugin to other work
15:55:01 <joconnor> Sensory intersections for person with no hearing and no vision for example
15:55:07 <joconnor> Or compound needs
15:55:33 <joconnor> A person may have 5 functional needs and then a 6 due to the previous 5
15:55:42 <joconnor> MC: Can we come up with a structure?
15:56:28 <joconnor> We may miss intersections? Can it be systematised or case by case?
15:56:34 <joconnor> CH: Dont know
15:56:57 <joconnor> We are talking about diff things that are complementory
15:57:05 <joconnor> Easier to do this in the functional needs list
15:57:13 <joconnor> We need eyeballs on this
15:57:19 <joconnor> To see what we've missed
15:57:48 <joconnor> MC: We could do that with Functional Needs - maybe ping Silver list
15:57:53 <joconnor> that could bubble.
15:58:10 <joconnor> MC: Should we check if its complete first?
15:58:31 <joconnor> CH: A two part survey would be good, have we missed anything overall - and intersections?
15:58:38 <joconnor> In the functional needs list..
15:59:10 <joconnor> MC: I can create survey, and will inform Silver leads
15:59:32 <joconnor> If we are happy we can send it out.
16:00:20 <joconnor> q?
16:00:25 <joconnor> agenda?
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