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12:58:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
12:58:29 <trackbot> Date: 18 March 2021
12:59:05 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda, Status and updates (any publication coordination)
13:00:12 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+ Status and updates (any publication coordination)
13:00:18 <LisaSeemanKest> what we work on next. See spreadsheets
13:00:18 <LisaSeemanKest>    <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YH4YETBmAdhfL9p8FK5ATUiXDGibeJh66psQCSUAvLQ/edit#gid=0>
13:00:19 <LisaSeemanKest> ,
13:00:20 <LisaSeemanKest>    wiki page
13:00:21 <LisaSeemanKest>    <<https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Priorities,_schedules_and_Work>>
13:00:22 <LisaSeemanKest>  and
13:00:23 <LisaSeemanKest>    Threads: priorities again
13:00:24 <LisaSeemanKest>    <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2021Mar/0064.html>
13:00:25 <LisaSeemanKest> and
13:00:26 <LisaSeemanKest>    research topics
13:00:27 <LisaSeemanKest>    <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2021Mar/0058.html>
13:01:07 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+what we work on next. See spreadsheets    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YH4YETBmAdhfL9p8FK5ATUiXDGibeJh66psQCSUAvLQ/edit#gid=0
13:02:36 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+ Requirements for example images see email from Feb/0118.html    <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2021Feb/0118.html>
13:33:02 <LisaSeemanKest> q?
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13:58:35 <Albert> present+
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14:00:41 <Rachael> present+
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14:01:02 <Rain> congratulations Roy!
14:01:19 <Jennie> Yeah Roy!
14:01:25 <LisaSeemanKest> present+
14:01:26 <JustineP> Indeed, congrats Roy!
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14:01:54 <stevelee> present+
14:02:06 <krisannekinney> present+
14:02:30 <stevelee> scribe: stevelee
14:02:46 <LisaSeemanKest> zakim, next item
14:02:46 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Status and updates (any publication coordination) -- taken up [from LisaSeemanKest]
14:03:42 <stevelee> a few more W3C WAI editorial details to be finalised
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14:04:13 <stevelee> lisa: the ag group have a survey on this ^^^
14:04:20 <Rachael> link to survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/content-usable-publication/
14:04:29 <EA> Just so sorry I cannot make it on Tuesday due to PhD student
14:04:42 <stevelee> Rachael: would be good if COGA TF people could attend the AG meeting on Tuesday where it will be discussed
14:04:45 <Jennie> It is now blocked on my calendar with a note that nobody can book over it :)
14:04:56 <LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/content-usable-publication/
14:05:12 <stevelee> lisa: best if we have as many people as posisble fill in the survey too - only a single question
14:05:30 <Rachael> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/content-usable-publication/results
14:05:43 <stevelee> rachael AG meeting 11:00 13:00 Eastern. Good it you read the survey results before
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14:06:11 <Rachael> meeting link page: https://www.w3.org/2017/08/telecon-info_ag
14:06:28 <Jennie> q+
14:06:32 <LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage#Timelines_and_actions
14:07:10 <Rachael> q+
14:07:16 <Jennie> ack Jennie
14:07:26 <stevelee> Jennie: somehting GOCA related came up at work. Where should I add it so it is considered for next iterations
14:07:54 <Rachael> ack Rachael
14:08:34 <stevelee> rachael: I suggest GitHub https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues and add the "Next version Tag"
14:09:06 <stevelee> s/somehting/something
14:09:59 <LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage#Timelines_and_actions
14:10:05 <stevelee> jennie: is somehting to do with 'deletions'
14:10:23 <stevelee> Lisa: Good and bad practice images will be good for the web version
14:10:54 <stevelee> Jennie: John K and Rain have expressed interested in that. Is anyone else?
14:10:58 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda?
14:11:41 <stevelee> see mail list in Agenda item 3 - lets make sure it is not missed
14:11:49 <LisaSeemanKest> request not waist work done
14:13:54 <stevelee> Shall work on technical-publication.md and get you to review
14:13:54 <stevelee> <stevelee> Lisa: justine can you ask the icon creators to tweak them so they look like a set.
14:13:54 <stevelee> <stevelee> Justine: yes
14:13:54 <stevelee> <stevelee> Lisa: lets say 2 weeks
14:14:41 <stevelee> Rachel: most issue now closed - will check EO's are taken care of.
14:15:06 <stevelee> ... would like 15 mins with others after this meeting to discuss the issues that need a response
14:15:26 <stevelee> ... seem to be jus tthose that do not yet have a draft response
14:15:46 <LisaSeemanKest> zakim, next item
14:15:46 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- what we work on next. See spreadsheets    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YH4YETBmAdhfL9p8FK5ATUiXDGibeJh66psQCSUAvLQ/edit#gid=0 -- taken up [from
14:15:49 <Zakim> ... LisaSeemanKest]
14:16:42 <LisaSeemanKest> rain: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2021Mar/0058.html
14:16:54 <LisaSeemanKest> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2021Mar/0066.html
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14:17:34 <johnkirkwood> present+
14:18:09 <LisaSeemanKest> q?
14:18:12 <cweidner> +1
14:18:28 <EA> +1
14:20:04 <stevelee> Lisa: our user research document, helped as collect and organise.
14:20:08 <stevelee> s/as/us
14:21:06 <stevelee> also the issue papers - which are more horizontal compaired to vertical research
14:21:27 <stevelee> neither have been published but have a wealth of information.
14:21:51 <stevelee> Then there is Gap analysis - highlights where there are problems.
14:22:04 <stevelee> also not published
14:22:05 <LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YH4YETBmAdhfL9p8FK5ATUiXDGibeJh66psQCSUAvLQ/edit#gid=0
14:22:15 <stevelee> so wht are our priorities - see this spread sheet
14:22:51 <stevelee> 4 tabs to make more managable
14:24:48 <stevelee> from Rachael's emial it seems we will work on one bits topic at any time. Then 2 or 3 Research/pub items
14:25:12 <Rachael> q+
14:25:47 <EA> Has personalisation been missed?
14:25:48 <stevelee> may have projects with the various groups at any time so can track them
14:26:54 <stevelee> lisa: personalization under AG
14:27:00 <stevelee> EA: also soe issue papers
14:27:39 <stevelee> Lisa: ongoing work so have a added to groups tab.
14:28:08 <stevelee> ea: yes happy as interested in symbol personalisation etc
14:28:46 <stevelee> lisa: about to go to CR - so crucial time to review - is a high priority for us
14:29:11 <stevelee> ... making it "active" in the spreadsheet
14:30:14 <LisaSeemanKest> q?
14:30:18 <LisaSeemanKest> ack r
14:31:09 <LisaSeemanKest> Q?
14:31:10 <stevelee> Rachael should include AG and ACT
14:31:11 <stevelee> q+
14:31:43 <Rachael> stevelee: The WAI website (Shawn) should be on this list. They have content
14:32:16 <stevelee> steve: add WAI website editorial
14:32:28 <stevelee> lisa: also W3C tools
14:32:43 <Rain> +1 to this conversation and having us involved
14:33:54 <LisaSeemanKest> q?
14:33:57 <Rain> q+
14:34:02 <LisaSeemanKest> ack s
14:34:05 <LisaSeemanKest> ack r
14:34:44 <Jennie> +1 it operationalizes are participation. Really like Rain's suggestion.
14:34:57 <Jennie> our - not are
14:35:11 <Albert> Question: Do we also send liaison to RQTF (research question task force)?
14:35:46 <stevelee> chrisanne: working with everone is actually goo as we want to cover all people not a suset
14:35:46 <stevelee> <stevelee> rain: suggest one person nominated as contact for each group to better manage the interactions and make less daunting
14:35:59 <stevelee> Lisa: agree, was toying with that
14:36:10 <stevelee> s/chrisanne/KrisAnne
14:36:12 <johnkirkwood> q+
14:36:20 <LisaSeemanKest> ack j
14:37:12 <krisannekinney> \me apologies but i need to drop.
14:37:54 <EA> Is there an overall formal list of liasion people for all the groups?
14:38:31 <Rachael> q+
14:38:36 <Albert> q+
14:39:00 <stevelee>  John: agree should formalise liaisons -
14:39:01 <stevelee> <stevelee> lisa: at least one person - and some tooling for tracking
14:39:01 <stevelee> <stevelee> +1
14:39:07 <Albert> +1
14:39:46 <cweidner> +1
14:39:49 <stevelee> JohnK: would be useful to have a plain language explanation for each sheet
14:39:51 <EA> +1
14:40:10 <Rain> +1
14:40:29 <JustineP> +1
14:40:42 <stevelee> albert: i'm comfortable with this approach
14:40:43 <LisaSeemanKest> q?
14:40:46 <LisaSeemanKest> ack r
14:40:52 <johnkirkwood> q-
14:41:28 <stevelee> Rachael: more TFs are looking at collaboration, we are leading. AG chairs are looking at this an may be including more common ideas
14:41:43 <LisaSeemanKest> acl a
14:41:48 <LisaSeemanKest> ack a
14:42:11 <stevelee> albert: can I get a better picture of what liaison will be and do
14:43:42 <stevelee> lisa: someone joins another group to keep a view of what they are doing. so APA review other publications for accessibility. Our Liaison will pick up on things coga might be interested in getting involved in.
14:43:43 <johnkirkwood> liason: also serve as a single point of contact, too. i feel
14:44:27 <LisaSeemanKest> q?
14:45:06 <stevelee> john: that often help single point of contact so they do pass issues that come up
14:45:20 <Albert> Thank you everyone for explaining
14:45:32 <stevelee> lisa: yes but do not make decision on behalf of TF
14:45:48 <stevelee> steve: headsup and keep info flowing
14:46:20 <stevelee> lisa: lots to do but this will help us not spinning our wheels.
14:46:33 <stevelee> ... propose we make a start next week
14:46:53 <stevelee> ... a few from each sheets
14:47:36 <Jennie> q+
14:47:41 <LisaSeemanKest> 2-3 reaserch topic ?
14:47:45 <LisaSeemanKest> ack j
14:48:09 <stevelee> jennie: when we talk about topics can we get idea of proposed timescales
14:48:50 <Rachael> I agree with 18 months
14:49:04 <Rachael> s/I agree with 18 months/I agree with 18 months for mental health
14:49:06 <stevelee> lisa: lets try filling it in... eg mental health: 18 months, issue paper: 3 months
14:50:15 <LisaSeemanKest> q?
14:50:49 <stevelee> Rachael: a question of what the TF want to focus on
14:50:51 <stevelee> q+
14:51:10 <stevelee> rain: sensible to limit to 2 rather than 3
14:51:11 <EA> q+
14:53:16 <Jennie> +1 and then also updates as appropriate
14:53:58 <LisaSeemanKest> ack st
14:54:05 <LisaSeemanKest> ack ea
14:54:11 <stevelee> steve suggest we make sure the research behind each pattern is traceable. As well as adding new research
14:54:39 <stevelee> EA: do we have a mental health expert in the TF? The previous one seems ot have moved on
14:56:11 <stevelee> Lisa: review methodology and recruit who we need - both academics and representatives of people with such issues.
14:56:23 <stevelee> have separated this out.
14:56:37 <stevelee> EA: probably is one of the largest and most complex
14:56:43 <stevelee> lisa: we dont HAVE ot do it.
14:57:09 <Rachael> q+
14:57:10 <stevelee> EA but we decided early it should be included in our scope.
14:57:56 <stevelee> rachael: als othink is incredibly import and and either we tackle or new set up new TF, but so much overlap
14:58:11 <stevelee> lisa: 3 things
14:58:23 <stevelee> 1) review method and recruit
14:58:31 <stevelee> 2) review mental health
14:58:47 <stevelee> 3) community engagement with external research
14:58:48 <stevelee> +1
14:59:40 <LisaSeemanKest> methodolgy and then work on mental health
14:59:40 <EA> +1
14:59:43 <LisaSeemanKest> +1
14:59:44 <stevelee> eh we recently found we needed to better understanding recent terminology used by people themselves
14:59:46 <cweidner> +1
14:59:47 <JustineP> +1
14:59:50 <Rain> +1
14:59:50 <Rachael> +1
14:59:52 <Albert> +1
14:59:52 <stevelee> +1
14:59:53 <Jennie> +1
14:59:59 <johnkirkwood> +1
15:00:05 <stevelee> Q: was do we start with above
15:00:31 <LisaSeemanKest> comunity engment in reserch and prefrences new suggetions
15:00:51 <stevelee> lisa: methodology and mental health. It is
15:00:55 <LisaSeemanKest> +1
15:01:00 <LisaSeemanKest> comunity engment in reserch and prefrences new suggetions
15:01:29 <stevelee> lets leave that till next week
15:01:29 <cweidner> Have to drop now. Thank you all!
15:02:18 <LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Teleconference_cheat_sheet
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