IRC log of rqtf on 2021-03-17

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 17 March 2021
12:47:09 [jasonjgw]
chair: jasonjgw
12:47:14 [jasonjgw]
present+
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agenda+ RAUR and XAUR any updates.
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agenda+ Media synchronization research.
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agenda+ Accessibility of natural language interfaces.
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agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics relevant to Task Force work.
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present+
13:04:00 [joconnor]
present+
13:05:26 [janina]
present+
13:05:46 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- RAUR and XAUR any updates. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:05:56 [JPaton]
present+ John_Paton
13:06:59 [SteveNoble]
janina: What about the 2 questions that came in of late?
13:07:17 [joconnor]
..from WCAG 3 regarding RAUR
13:07:55 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Use case of caption for braille display use was another question
13:08:28 [joconnor]
Should captions be full transcripts is a part of the question
13:09:41 [SteveNoble]
janina: Problem of slowing down the meeting conversation rate for the sake of the captions
13:10:39 [SteveNoble]
joconnor: Should we delay RAUR while we deal with this?
13:10:52 [SteveNoble]
janina: Probably so
13:11:00 [joconnor]
RAUR to be delayed, due to content usable anyways
13:12:06 [joconnor]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rqtf/2021Mar/0033.html
13:12:15 [janina]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rqtf/2021Mar/0033.html
13:15:14 [SteveNoble]
janina: It is not workable to limit communications due to limitations in reading rates
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present+
13:17:18 [SteveNoble]
janina: Two weeks seems safe
13:18:20 [joconnor]
RAUR and XAUR to be delayed till Content usable is out
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joconnor: To blog or not to blog?
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janina: Blogging in not needed
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present+
13:23:16 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- Media synchronization research. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:23:29 [jasonjgw]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Media_Synchronization_Requirements
13:24:31 [joconnor]
JW: We are hoping to develop this in the right direction
13:24:54 [joconnor]
SN: I've been v busy with other things last week
13:25:07 [joconnor]
I hope to get back to this, this week.
13:25:23 [joconnor]
The main areas are sign language interpretation and synchronisation
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Am looking at peer reviewed docs etc at the moment
13:25:58 [janina]
q+
13:26:07 [joconnor]
The most interesting stuff is around signing avatars - cutting edge work on automagic speech recognition
13:26:31 [joconnor]
We dont have the body of recorded speech that has been converted into sign language
13:27:07 [joconnor]
We have speech/voice activated stuff - for text but there is a gap for speech => sign transformation
13:27:42 [joconnor]
There are issues about interpretation - around context and avatar synchronisation
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Other comments?
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ack jan
13:28:53 [joconnor]
JS: I found out something interesting - relating to timing - a friend is an SL interpreter, she said the hearing person who signs, vs the natively deaf person who re-signs to be more understandable by the deaf community
13:29:05 [joconnor]
So native signing vs learned
13:29:11 [joconnor]
That has implications
13:29:45 [joconnor]
SN: Yeah, that's interesting - I also work in the area of audio description and gaming a11y
13:29:54 [joconnor]
This point came up recently
13:30:35 [joconnor]
<describes signer => sign => Audio description of singer and signer interplay>
13:31:23 [joconnor]
This was with recorded video, will be challenging in live scenarios
13:31:31 [joconnor]
Will look at literature on this.
13:32:06 [joconnor]
JW: The question is, what are preferences under certain conditions?
13:32:24 [joconnor]
JP: Could be a cultural thing
13:32:38 [joconnor]
There are levels of quality of signing..
13:33:08 [joconnor]
Big D, first language signing vs learned etc
13:33:22 [joconnor]
Some users may be deaf and read English v well.
13:33:47 [joconnor]
There are variances in what is culturally acceptable
13:34:09 [joconnor]
JS: There are variations of range, depending on real time vs pre-recorded
13:34:25 [joconnor]
JP: The main issue with be in Live meeting environement
13:34:41 [joconnor]
There is a latency issue
13:35:04 [joconnor]
JP: Its not directly transcribing but interpretation
13:35:30 [joconnor]
SN: The signer has to hear the whole sentence to sign
13:35:59 [joconnor]
JW: So this is the issue for investigation?
13:36:17 [joconnor]
SN: I can spend more time on this.
13:36:38 [joconnor]
We can follow on next week.
13:37:11 [joconnor]
JS: If we can pull this together we have two groups waiting, Silver and Timed Text want input from us
13:37:37 [joconnor]
This is useful to promote better synchronisation of media.
13:38:19 [joconnor]
JW: Thank you
13:38:35 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- Accessibility of natural language interfaces. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:39:23 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Thanks to Josh on spending some time on this and make some improvements
13:39:26 [joconnor]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/naur/naur/index.html
13:40:06 [joconnor]
https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Anaur
13:40:16 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Thanks to John for his comments as well
13:41:28 [SteveNoble]
joconnor: Jason's initial framing was very useful
13:41:52 [SteveNoble]
joconnor: Added a scetion on services and agents
13:42:51 [SteveNoble]
joconnor: In a good place now for everyone to look at this and make sure we are good with the framework
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q?
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s/scetion/section
13:44:15 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Can spend more time on the framework if that is helpful
13:44:35 [janina]
q+
13:44:50 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: There are cognitive issues we may need to cover and the accessibility of the underlying services
13:45:44 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Not all the requirements we have identified are in the document
13:45:51 [joconnor]
ack janina
13:47:19 [SteveNoble]
janina: Google added functionality to analyze individual's sleep patterns
13:50:14 [SteveNoble]
janina: Privacy and security is an area we commonly look at
13:52:03 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Could add more to the framework - have the time
13:52:30 [SteveNoble]
joconnor: Sounds good
13:52:54 [SteveNoble]
joconnor: We need a tight review of the user needs
13:54:07 [SteveNoble]
joconnor: A better understanding of the modality and the services
13:54:53 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Will look at the literature on natural language
13:54:58 [joconnor]
q?
13:56:19 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Will dedicate some writing time to formalize the writing
13:57:05 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Will bring back for discussion
13:57:36 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous updates and topics relevant to Task Force work. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:57:42 [janina]
https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/
13:58:13 [SteveNoble]
janina: Need to look at Content usable
13:58:54 [SteveNoble]
Do a quick review next week
14:00:45 [jasonjgw]
zakim, bye
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