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13:52:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:52:03 <trackbot> Date: 10 March 2021
13:52:12 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:52:15 <jasonjgw> present+
13:52:16 <jasonjgw> agenda+        RAUR and XAUR  any updates.
13:52:16 <jasonjgw> agenda+        Accessibility of natural language interfaces.
13:52:16 <jasonjgw> agenda+        Media synchronization  any updates.
13:52:16 <jasonjgw> agenda+        Miscellaneous updates and topics relevant to Task Force work.
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13:58:17 <joconnor> present+
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14:04:56 <scott_h> present+
14:05:02 <joconnor> scribe: joconnor
14:05:04 <janina> present+
14:05:10 <joconnor> zakim, agenda?
14:05:10 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
14:05:10 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:05:11 <Zakim> 1. RAUR and XAUR  any updates. [from jasonjgw]
14:05:11 <Zakim> 2. Accessibility of natural language interfaces. [from jasonjgw]
14:05:11 <Zakim> 3. Media synchronization  any updates. [from jasonjgw]
14:05:11 <Zakim> 4. Miscellaneous updates and topics relevant to Task Force work. [from jasonjgw]
14:05:11 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- RAUR and XAUR  any updates. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:05:15 <janina> zakim, who's here?
14:05:15 <Zakim> Present: jasonjgw, joconnor, scott_h, janina
14:05:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, scott_h, Zakim, RRSAgent, JPaton, MichaelC, jasonjgw, trackbot, joconnor
14:05:33 <JPaton> present+
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14:06:11 <joconnor> zakim, take up item one
14:06:11 <Zakim> 'one' does not match any agenda item, joconnor
14:06:14 <joconnor> zakim, take up item 1
14:06:14 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- RAUR and XAUR  any updates. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:06:19 <Judy> present+
14:06:28 <joconnor> JW: Good work is done here.
14:06:33 <joconnor> What do we need to do here?
14:06:40 <joconnor> q+
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14:06:54 <joconnor> JS: All these docs need to pass the Michael test
14:07:12 <joconnor> JS: Both are on for a reading agenda for Michael.
14:07:24 <joconnor> Pronunciation got sent back.
14:07:35 <joconnor> JS: It was lacking context.
14:07:56 <joconnor> It is technically good just needs better context.
14:08:12 <joconnor> ack me
14:08:20 <joconnor> JOC: Both docs are updated in main
14:08:24 <joconnor> and ready for review
14:10:10 <joconnor> JS: We did a second wide review with CAPTCHA, it was a long process but useful.
14:10:24 <joconnor> JS: With RAUR and XAUR we just need the group to sign.
14:10:33 <joconnor> JOC: Works for me.
14:10:56 <joconnor> JS: If we have a reason for wide review then we can but I dont think we do have a reason
14:11:20 <joconnor> JW: Me neither, dont recall any specific groups etc that we want comments from.
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14:11:42 <joconnor> We could get comments from a range of users
14:11:49 <joconnor> JS: Both docs are useful as they stand.
14:12:12 <joconnor> We can version them in the future, like we suggest with the MAUR.
14:12:26 <joconnor> With CAPTCHA that was a revision of a 2007 doc.
14:12:31 <joconnor> SH: Yes, that was needed.
14:12:56 <joconnor> SH: +1
14:13:10 <joconnor> JOC: I'm meeting Shawn today to talk about messaging.
14:13:38 <joconnor> JS: There will a CFC soon, so this will make a call to publish the snapshot from main.
14:14:08 <joconnor> JOC: Great I'll take that up with Shawn a la messaging etc
14:14:13 <joconnor> JW: No objection
14:14:39 <joconnor> JOC: This is great, happy to hear this.
14:14:46 <joconnor> JW: Anything else?
14:15:36 <joconnor> JS: We will have a big doc from COGA APA, 'Content Usable'.
14:15:46 <joconnor> JOC: Yes, we dont want to steal thunder etc
14:15:57 <joconnor> JW: What is the timeline?
14:16:14 <joconnor> JS: CFC likely next week, we will also co-ord with AGWG.
14:16:59 <joconnor> JW: We will review next week
14:17:15 <joconnor> JS: Good idea
14:17:21 <shadi> present+
14:17:44 <joconnor> zakim, take up item 2
14:17:44 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Accessibility of natural language interfaces. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:17:46 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:17:46 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, jasonjgw
14:18:25 <joconnor> JW: I'll describe where we are at.
14:18:35 <joconnor> We had positive discussion on mailing list
14:18:54 <joconnor> We investigated scope questions etc
14:19:16 <joconnor> Interesting questions raised about multi modal interactions and relationships between UIs
14:20:02 <joconnor> We analysed sensory and cognitive issues
14:20:14 <joconnor> I had time to iterate a new document
14:20:50 <joconnor> I followed the RAUR structure and adapted it to write requirements and issues.
14:21:10 <joconnor> So I have a RESPEC type document on my local machine
14:21:13 <joconnor> q?
14:21:17 <joconnor> q+
14:21:45 <joconnor> JW: I covered different modalities etc and incorporated peoples comments on list.
14:22:21 <joconnor> I also noted issues around scope
14:22:36 <janina> q+
14:23:17 <joconnor> JW: I also have colleagues who are interested in this work, I may be able to share relavant work.
14:23:31 <joconnor> ack me
14:23:33 <janina> scribe: janina
14:23:59 <janina> jo: Appreciates the start, but want to set some context
14:24:21 <janina> jo: We still need overall work context and potential approaches; narrow slices
14:24:35 <scott_h> great work Jason on doing so much work on this during the week
14:24:43 <janina> jo: vs the boader approach of any/all conversational; modality independent
14:25:02 <janina> jo: framing the i/o aspect is important
14:25:10 <janina> jo: even the voice slice will keep us busy
14:25:36 <janina> jo: the broader, agnostic approach -- do like Jason's natural language approach
14:26:25 <janina> jo: do like the broader framing, but we need to decide what's more achievable for us
14:26:38 <shadi> +1 to JoC
14:26:49 <joconnor> JS: Yes so what is achievable for us.
14:27:02 <joconnor> ack jan
14:27:18 <joconnor> JS: I'd like to see what Jason has done
14:27:35 <joconnor> We have either option.
14:28:17 <joconnor> Happy to see this progress.
14:28:48 <joconnor> JW: I can add it so we can see the commit history.
14:28:57 <joconnor> JOC: Works for me
14:29:14 <joconnor> JW: I'll take care of that.
14:29:42 <joconnor> It isn't clear to me what a broader approach might be.
14:30:09 <joconnor> I thought we had an understanding in the TF that natural language would be the centre piece.
14:30:37 <joconnor> JW: There is also the issue of the underlying services that these Natural Language Interfaces are built on.
14:31:07 <joconnor> What I did was focus on the NL aspect, and look at whats involved in making cross disability issues accessible, and draw rough boundary.
14:31:26 <joconnor> It's not clear to me how broad, 'broad' is..
14:31:46 <joconnor> 2 points - Michael suggested that we drive toward a way to realise this vision of the semantic web
14:32:02 <joconnor> The Google ecosystem has begun to implement..
14:32:19 <joconnor> How broad or how narrow? The modality matters.
14:32:44 <joconnor> The hands free aspect of these things is a major benefit.
14:33:09 <joconnor> We can slice aspects of this.. Voice/Speech gives you real hands free.
14:33:54 <joconnor> JW: That leads me to the point, like with XAUR - where we make broad descriptions, we will be doing the same however we divide up the domain.
14:34:22 <joconnor> There are research problems here, so we can document which parts contain the challenging research questions.
14:34:31 <joconnor> This could influence research.
14:35:06 <joconnor> JW: We need to be clear where research problems are.
14:35:44 <joconnor> Do we need to make a decision? Or start with Natural Language etc? Or broader requirements of the services?
14:35:46 <joconnor> q+
14:36:02 <joconnor> ack me
14:36:21 <janina> jo: will be services aspect, whether we go broad or narrow
14:36:28 <janina> jo: we don't know what we'll discover
14:36:46 <janina> jo: the i/o goes on top of that, whatever the modality
14:37:04 <janina> jo: do see natural lang as more modality independent
14:37:12 <janina> jo: not saying no to either
14:37:59 <joconnor> JW: Noting previously the lack of guidance from W3C in this area, there is research on speech and also text and multimodal capabilities as well.
14:38:20 <joconnor> I've spoken with colleagues working here, they would want to see something broader than speech only
14:38:43 <joconnor> Non-speech modalities would be guidance they would want to see.
14:39:08 <joconnor> q?
14:39:33 <joconnor> JB: I like what I'm hearing
14:40:03 <joconnor> JS: It sounds like you are thinking of people where the hands free aspect may not be as critical as in mainstream?
14:40:22 <joconnor> JW: Yes, RTC call to an agent but could be text based etc
14:40:36 <joconnor> JS: Same thing, multi modal is a key aspect.
14:41:13 <joconnor> JW: Guidance in this area being covered by the areas my employers are in would be of interest.
14:41:27 <joconnor> JS: Publishing etc would be of interest
14:41:46 <joconnor> JW: And others, I'm not sure what motivated the community group work, from a few years ago.
14:42:33 <joconnor> JW: I'd like to cover speech issues and cross disability issues - and the underlying service etc.
14:42:36 <joconnor> q?
14:42:39 <joconnor> q+
14:43:06 <janina> q?
14:43:26 <joconnor> ack me
14:44:09 <Judy> q+
14:44:11 <joconnor> JP: From the sightloss perspective, as long as a pure speech interface is covered I dont mind which approach
14:44:11 <shadi> +1 to John!
14:44:20 <Judy> +1 to John as well!
14:44:28 <joconnor> Natural Language is good, as long as it is there.
14:44:40 <joconnor> ack Judy
14:44:57 <joconnor> JB: Can we confirm that we have concensus?
14:45:07 <joconnor> So we don't have to cycle back etc
14:45:28 <joconnor> JB, are you ok with this Shadi?
14:45:34 <joconnor> SAZ: Fully agree!
14:45:50 <joconnor> I was going to echo what John was saying.
14:46:09 <joconnor> Doing speech in a broader scope, or even the other way around -  is fine.
14:46:25 <joconnor> Lets focus on how much this would draw on resources in this group.
14:46:39 <joconnor> SAZ: Expanding scope may just effect other work.
14:46:41 <joconnor> q?
14:47:38 <joconnor> JW: Thanks for confirming - if we take the Natural Language aspect, cover it well, multimodal, services etc - is that sound?
14:47:56 <joconnor> JW: Can I commit something to a branch and Josh will edit etc?
14:48:01 <joconnor> JOC: Yes
14:48:11 <joconnor> JS: Who is going to work on this?
14:49:08 <joconnor> JOC: This is right up my street and I'm happy to work with Jason
14:49:38 <joconnor> JW: I'll push what I've got and Josh can make edits/commits.
14:54:16 <joconnor> zakim, take up item 3
14:54:16 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Media synchronization  any updates. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:54:37 <joconnor> JW: Steve sent regrets, and he has been doing most of the work here.
14:54:47 <joconnor> Wanted to see if there are comments?
14:55:03 <joconnor> JS: We missed the timeframe - Timed Text is moving to next version.
14:55:12 <joconnor> We have a horizontal review request.
14:55:26 <joconnor> WCAG 3 can put machine testable requirements into the doc.
14:55:35 <joconnor> We should steer to a joint meet with Silver
14:55:42 <joconnor> See that they want to take advantage of..
14:56:11 <joconnor> JW: Thank you, so you are not greatly concerned on our schedule.
14:56:26 <joconnor> JS: Dont want to fall behind too much
14:56:44 <joconnor> IIRC there are some topics that need review
14:57:26 <joconnor> JW: I propose that we discuss next week
14:58:06 <joconnor> Scott and Judy are discussing remote meetings
14:58:57 <joconnor> agenda?
14:59:26 <joconnor> JS: FYI we are having a show and tell on Media Queries in APA
15:00:31 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
15:00:31 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, joconnor, scott_h, janina, JPaton, Judy, shadi
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