19:01:43 RRSAgent has joined #openui 19:01:43 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/03/04-openui-irc 19:02:02 Zakim, start meeting 19:02:02 RRSAgent, make logs Public 19:02:04 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), una 19:02:38 Zakim, start meeting: Open UI Telecon 02/25 19:02:38 I don't understand 'start meeting: Open UI Telecon 02/25', una 19:02:45 meeting: Open UI Telecon 02/25 19:02:53 https://github.com/WICG/open-ui/blob/master/meetings/telecon/2021-02-25.md 19:03:15 brodym has joined #openui 19:03:20 present+ 19:03:21 present+ 19:03:44 bkardell_ has joined #openui 19:04:18 present+ 19:04:21 present+ 19:04:27 present+ 19:04:30 present+ 19:04:31 present+ Hidde 19:04:32 presesnt+ 19:05:02 https://github.com/WICG/open-ui/blob/master/meetings/telecon/2021-03-04.md 19:05:14 una has changed the topic to: Open UI Telecon 03/04: https://github.com/WICG/open-ui/blob/master/meetings/telecon/2021-03-04.md 19:05:15 Francis_Storr has joined #openui 19:05:40 present+ 19:05:47 there was a PR opened :) 19:05:48 davatron5000 has joined #openui 19:07:47 scribenick bkardell_ 19:07:47 https://github.com/WICG/open-ui/issues/266 19:08:37 scribenick: bkardell_ 19:08:49 Scribenick, bkardell_ 19:09:46 una: "we discussed how badges, pills and tags might be different - and I'd like to talk about and see if we can agree about how to define and arrange them 19:10:05 una: which ones should we group and which ones should we have research and proposals around? 19:11:48 chrisdholt_ has joined #openui 19:11:51 una: One thing I noticed in "badges" is that they are often numeric - things like in your inbox or messages. This seems different than what is in the pills research page that is more like "important" or something. I want to propose that badge and pills are two differnt kinds of components we could define - I dont know if those are the right names - but are they the same semantic use case or diff 19:11:54 q+ 19:11:58 +1 to if it is a value like a number it's different from a label 19:12:22 bkardell_: question--when you define semantics to disucss semantics, in ARIA terms is there a difference? 19:12:45 bkardell_: maybe in some cases, when you talk semantics, is it how we agree to discuss them or to a user is ther a difference 19:13:09 present+ 19:13:28 present+ 19:13:46 una: I think in this case... when I think of aria roles or connections to an element... it depends. In a website I was putting together there were little indicators of "these are for beginners" and there are other ones where it is like "you have N unread messages" and I do think there is some different aria difference there 19:14:19 bkardell_: might be an interesting excersize to build them and see what the ARIA would look like 19:14:31 bkardell_: is this something you would intuit or would there be semantic differences? 19:15:00 bkardell_: unclear if they would be the same or different 19:15:10 zahnster has joined #openui 19:15:27 q+ to say maybe in a badge it would be something that can change and needs updating (think aria-live), whereas with a 'tag' you would not ? 19:16:40 una: I think with badges there needs to be some link to something else that they describe - not a sort of disconnected floating value... something that provides more context. Right now I think we are seeing a disconnect between like "4" - that requires some semantic link to what it is 4 of, but that's different from some kind of content inline that is more like just a span tag that is styled 19:16:42 ack bkardell_ 19:18:17 hdv: you are convincing me una. There are other things like, like a count - that might be like a live region even and need live updating even 19:18:56 una: I would like to propose a resolution that we have a difference between badges and tags that they are semantically different and we should define the differences 19:19:08 +1 that we should define the differences 19:19:42 una: I think we should also resolve to use badge and tag based on the discussion last week that other things like 'pill' describe a look and feel 19:19:46 +1 to both 19:19:55 +1 to both 19:19:58 +1 to both 19:20:02 +1, I joined late but these words make sense to me 19:20:08 +1 19:20:14 Proposed Resolution: Badges and Tags are unique in their semantic usage, we will define the differences 19:20:33 Proposed Resolution: Chips and Pills are style-based naming conventions, these will fall under Tags 19:20:49 Resolved: Badges and Tags are unique in their semantic usage, we will define the differences 19:20:56 Resolved: Chips and Pills are style-based naming conventions, these will fall under Tags 19:21:46 https://github.com/WICG/open-ui/issues/278 19:22:20 una: so the question is whether we want a full definition proposal or just research here... 19:23:06 una: this one is interesting because I think definitions come from research, and that is something we should continue to follow.. So what I would like to see is that we start with research and at the end of that we can decide about whether we need more 19:23:20 +1 to una's 19:23:57 Tabs Research: https://github.com/WICG/open-ui/pull/271 19:24:34 bkardell_: open Tabs research PR, block of text, let's land and then chisel away / adjust 19:24:44 q+ to talk about popup 19:24:46 q+ for popover, is there an anchoring proposal coming? i thought i had read there was interest in Safari on that part? 19:25:10 ack hdv 19:25:10 hdv, you wanted to say maybe in a badge it would be something that can change and needs updating (think aria-live), whereas with a 'tag' you would not ? 19:26:16 davatron5000: i think we need some styling changes to the website to make the research pages more digestible 19:26:44 una: IA workshop next week for this time 19:27:22 preview URL for tabs research https://deploy-preview-271--open-ui.netlify.app/components/tabs.research.parts 19:27:32 bkardell_: different organizations, ie Igalia, use taskforces, should we use a taskforce for this 19:28:35 una: we discussed 2 sessions ago to use this time slot to do the IA workshop overview 19:28:46 q? 19:28:50 ack melanierichards 19:28:50 melanierichards, you wanted to talk about popup 19:29:09 melanierichards: next steps to port everything over to OpenUI space 19:29:53 melanierichards: havent had a chance yet but will work on this w/chairs soon 19:30:11 melanierichards: WhatWG triage presentation of today 19:30:20 melanierichards: after incubating proposal here, WhatWG is next step 19:30:45 melanierichards: week after IA discussion 19:31:08 melanierichards: anchor bogged down currently, after CSSWG discussion, need to have 1-off discussion about that, need to get explainer out 19:31:43 una: open the issues in OpenUI & discuss here 19:32:14 una: to prevent getting bogged down and push it forward 19:34:37 discussion around popup vs. popover, to open issue in OpenUI and discuss furter 19:34:41 Zakim, end meeting 19:34:41 As of this point the attendees have been brodym, miriam, dandclark, una, flackr, silverdust, Hidde, Francis_Storr, melanierichards, chrisdholt_ 19:34:43 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 19:34:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/04-openui-minutes.html Zakim 19:34:46 I am happy to have been of service, una; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 19:34:50 Zakim has left #openui 19:40:25 bkardell_: you did great! 20:47:56 zahnster has joined #openui