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17:01:09 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
17:01:10 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
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17:01:19 <jamesn> meeting: ARIA WG
17:01:25 <carmacleod> present+
17:01:29 <jamesn> chair: JamesNurthen
17:04:27 <jamesn> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2021Mar/0002.html
17:04:27 <agendabot> clear agenda
17:04:27 <agendabot> agenda+ New Issue Triage<https://bit.ly/3rfdolo>
17:04:27 <agendabot> agenda+ New PR Triage<https://bit.ly/3bYma0D>
17:04:27 <agendabot> agenda+ Meaty topic for next week<https://bit.ly/3c2bT3o>
17:04:27 <agendabot> agenda+ ARIA in HTML review requested
17:04:30 <agendabot> agenda+ Daylight savings time in US starts Mar 14, 2021
17:04:32 <agendabot> agenda+ 1.3 triage<https://bit.ly/2NWeP9K>
17:04:35 <agendabot> agenda+ Close
17:04:37 <agendabot> agenda+ Move to a later release (1.4/2.0)
17:04:40 <agendabot> agenda+ Leave in 1.3 AND one of the following
17:04:42 <agendabot> agenda+ Assign to someone who will work on it
17:04:45 <agendabot> agenda+ Agree it is simple enough to have the "Good First Issue" label and leave unassigned
17:04:47 <agendabot> agenda+ jnurthen - 11
17:04:50 <agendabot> agenda+ accdc - 2
17:04:52 <agendabot> agenda+ aleventhal - 2
17:04:53 <jamesn> agenda?
17:04:54 <agendabot> agenda+ alia11y - 1
17:04:57 <agendabot> agenda+ carmacleod - 17
17:04:59 <agendabot> agenda+ cookiecrook - 15
17:05:01 <agendabot> agenda+ joanmarie - 4
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17:05:34 <jamesn> zakim, clear agenda
17:05:34 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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17:06:13 <StefanS> preasent+
17:06:20 <StefanS> present+
17:06:28 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
17:06:28 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Issue Triage<https://bit.ly/3rfdolo> -- taken up [from jamesn]
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17:06:39 <Scott_O> present+
17:06:45 <pkra> present+
17:07:05 <CurtBellew> present+
17:09:00 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
17:09:00 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New PR Triage<https://bit.ly/3bYma0D> -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:14:13 <carmacleod> jamesn: regarding very draft PR https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1413
17:15:08 <carmacleod> jamesn: need to get some people to comment on this, get discussion going
17:15:17 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
17:15:17 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Meaty topic for next week<https://bit.ly/3c2bT3o> -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:16:12 <pkra> https://github.com/w3c/accname/discussions
17:16:16 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/accname/discussions/113
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17:17:16 <carmacleod> jamesn: joanie would like people to take a look at this
17:17:19 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
17:17:19 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- ARIA in HTML review requested -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:18:06 <carmacleod> jamesn: scott would like horizontal review
17:18:34 <carmacleod> Scott_O: there are still a few more things to finalize
17:19:00 <carmacleod> jamesn: can we get a list of the changes?
17:19:39 <carmacleod> Scott_O: yes, I'll create one
17:19:44 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
17:20:06 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
17:20:06 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Daylight savings time in US starts Mar 14, 2021 -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:21:44 <carmacleod> jamesn: Heads up that meeting time in Europe will be different from US for a couple of weeks
17:22:39 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
17:22:39 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- 1.3 triage<https://bit.ly/2NWeP9K> -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:22:57 <pkra> +1
17:23:30 <Scott_O> +1
17:23:39 <StefanS> +1
17:25:09 <carmacleod> jamesn: Propose that we stop scribing and just put comments in issues
17:25:17 <carmacleod> +1
17:25:22 <StefanS> +1
17:25:43 <pkra> https://github.com/w3c/aria/projects/13#card-34792621
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17:54:27 <pkra> gotta drop off for a bit.
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17:56:57 <Jemma> present+
17:57:37 <Jemma> agenda?
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18:16:21 <joanie> https://bit.ly/2NWeP9K
18:16:30 <carmacleod> Here's the link: https://bit.ly/2NWeP9K
18:16:40 <carmacleod> we are at the very bottom of the first page
18:17:07 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/879
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18:18:44 <Jemma> scribe?
18:18:52 <Jemma> rragent, make minutes
18:19:06 <Jemma> rrsagents, make minutes
18:19:53 <Jemma> zakim, scribe?
18:19:53 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Jemma.
18:20:20 <Jemma> rrsagent, make minutes
18:20:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/04-aria-minutes.html Jemma
18:22:38 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/925
18:26:41 <Jemma>  https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/966
18:27:11 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/976
18:29:21 <Jemma> we need to double check all the boolean values. close as duplicate
18:29:59 <Jemma> "aria-atomic would be exposed as a platform Accessibility API boolean state
18:29:59 <Jemma> It doesn't have the value "", undefined or no attribute present
18:29:59 <Jemma> so it would be exposed as tru"
18:30:36 <Jemma> sign 976 this to Alice
18:31:26 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/986
18:32:04 <Jemma> mck: ran into real life issue that it is not working in reality
18:32:23 <pkra> pkra has joined #aria
18:32:24 <Jemma> ... then I saw this issue.
18:32:56 <Jemma> joanni: it is more depth thing, it can be 1.4
18:33:59 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/989
18:34:08 <Jemma> car: I just need to which direction we are going
18:34:17 <Jemma> s/need to/need to kno
18:34:28 <Jemma> s/need to kno/need to know
18:35:10 <Jemma> mck: having difficulty to understand Aaron's comment
18:35:25 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/995
18:35:50 <Jemma> mck: I cannot commit it to be included 1.3
18:36:08 <Jemma> scott: we should not remove it
18:36:24 <Jemma> jamesn: we can talk to AT about the expectation
18:36:50 <Jemma> mck; need to be carful to approach this
18:37:08 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1008
18:37:34 <Jemma> joanie and matt said no to this
18:38:30 <Jemma> mck and james:it will be a good first issue
18:38:41 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1015
18:38:48 <Jemma> there will be PR
18:39:01 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1017
18:40:02 <Jemma> mck:AT should not do monitoring
18:40:12 <Jemma> ... it would be browser side
18:41:04 <Jemma> ...screen reader is flaky because browser should do the work like live region case
18:41:33 <pkra> have to drop off again. bye everyone.
18:42:21 <Jemma> jamesn: I will assign this to myself be it is important
18:42:41 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1019
18:42:54 <Jemma> jonnie: I don't think it is a good idea
18:43:31 <Jemma> mck: it is author confusion issue
18:44:12 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1022
18:44:42 <Jemma> jamesn: consensus is doing it but whether it is 1.3 or 14
18:45:24 <Jemma> joannie: it was fixed in ff, by screen readers.
18:45:32 <Jemma> implentation is done
18:45:49 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1024
18:46:32 <Jemma> mck: this one is not clear to unlike aria pos set. it will be 1.4
18:46:43 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1026
18:47:39 <Jemma> from matt, "Now, we have complete resolution of that issue with the ARIA 1.2 combobox changes and there is no need for expanded on listbox. We could deprecate expanded on listbox. Then, we could either warn against using that pattern in APG and point people to the select-only combobox or remove the collapsable listbox example completely."
18:48:18 <Jemma> assigned to sarah
18:49:25 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1028
18:50:17 <Jemma> leave it to bryan to take care of at 1.3
18:50:42 <Jemma> scott: html overlap issue.
18:50:53 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1031
18:51:02 <Jemma> keep it as 1.3
18:51:18 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1033
18:53:54 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1038
18:55:15 <Jemma> jamec: we can move this to 1.4 since we will have api for htis
18:56:24 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1050
18:57:08 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1055
18:57:59 <Jory_> Need to hop off but I will look for "Good First Issue" tag issues and try to pick one up!
19:00:33 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
19:00:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/04-aria-minutes.html carmacleod
19:00:57 <carmacleod> zakim, who is on the call?
19:00:57 <Zakim> Present: carmacleod, StefanS, Scott_O, pkra, CurtBellew, Joanmarie_Diggs, Jemma, Irfan
19:01:38 <carmacleod> regrets+ Harris
19:01:53 <carmacleod> present+ jcraig
19:02:16 <carmacleod> present+ Tammy
19:02:41 <carmacleod> present+ Michael
19:03:00 <carmacleod> present+ Mark
19:03:15 <carmacleod> present+ Matt
19:03:50 <carmacleod> present+ Siri
19:03:58 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
19:03:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/04-aria-minutes.html carmacleod
19:04:33 <carmacleod> present+ Jory
19:04:37 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
19:04:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/04-aria-minutes.html carmacleod
19:07:01 <carmacleod> regrets+ MelanieS
19:07:26 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
19:07:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/04-aria-minutes.html carmacleod
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