13:01:47 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #wot
13:01:47 <RRSAgent> logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-wot-irc
13:02:17 <kaz> Meeting: WoT-IG/WG
13:02:40 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Touomura, Michael_Lagally
13:03:03 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
13:03:24 <sebastian> sebastian has joined #wot
13:04:39 <mlagally_> mlagally_ has joined #wot
13:04:52 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
13:05:37 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#3_March_2021
13:05:56 <kaz> scribenick: mlagally_
13:06:07 <dape> dape has joined #wot
13:06:43 <mlagally_> <sk walks through the agenda>
13:06:44 <Ege> Ege has joined #wot
13:07:01 <kaz> i/walks/topic: Agenda/
13:07:17 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:07:26 <Mizushima> Mizushima has joined #wot
13:07:36 <kaz> Chair: Sebastian, McCool
13:08:10 <mlagally_> sk: no guests today
13:08:31 <mlagally_> ... status of Michael Koster is still pending (invited expert)
13:08:31 <kaz> i/no/topic: Guests
13:08:47 <mlagally_> topic: minutes of last week's call
13:08:59 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/02/24-wot-minutes.html Feb-24
13:10:01 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
13:10:40 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
13:11:10 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:11:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:11:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:11:20 <tsuzuki> tsuzuki has joined #wot
13:11:24 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
13:11:36 <mlagally_> mmc: this week there's a conflict between architecture and plugfest
13:11:48 <mlagally_> ml: we will start at 4pm UTC tomorrow (1 hour later)
13:11:55 <matsuda> matsuda has joined #wot
13:12:01 <ryuichi> ryuichi has joined #wot
13:12:11 <kaz> present+ Takahisa_Suzuki
13:12:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:12:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:14:35 <mlagally_> topic: quick updates
13:14:59 <mlagally_> sk: we have released out Webpage for the first of March, am very happy we have the representation here
13:15:11 <mlagally_> ... thanks a lot to Daniel and all contributors
13:15:30 <McCool> McCool has joined #wot
13:15:43 <mlagally_> ... the page is online now but perhaps not complete
13:16:13 <mlagally_> ... structure of WG is here, now we can optimize step by step
13:16:35 <mlagally_> ... people can provide PRs in the weekly marketing call
13:17:01 <mlagally_> ... we also have an animation video which is public on youtube
13:17:34 <mlagally_> ... this is very helpful to disseminate WoT to the public
13:18:28 <mlagally_> ... there was some surprise that the Webpage has been published
13:18:52 <mlagally_> ... our assumption was that the publication was ok according to our roadmap
13:19:31 <mlagally_> ... the process is that everyone in the group can provide a PR, the marketing team can decide whether to bring it in
13:19:33 <mlagally_> q+
13:19:35 <dape> q+ to use twitter or generic w3c blog is still possible
13:20:01 <kaz> ack ml
13:20:54 <kaz> ml: would acknowledge all your hard work on the new WoT page, but there was some missing pieces about the procedure
13:21:10 <kaz> ... outbound communication is very important
13:21:35 <kaz> ... so would record clear resolution on the public minutes as well
13:21:46 <kaz> i/would ac/scribenick: kaz/
13:22:06 <McCool> q+
13:22:28 <kaz> ... we should clarify the process
13:22:41 <kaz> sk: tx for providing your view
13:23:10 <kaz> dp: also surprised to see there was some miscommunication
13:23:12 <mlagally_> dape: there was some kind of misunderstanding, this early publication was not well communicated
13:23:16 <kaz> s/dp: also surprised to see there was some miscommunication/
13:23:29 <mlagally_> ... if we want to provide more information we can post on twitter
13:23:30 <kaz> i/dape:/scribenick: mlagally_/
13:23:53 <mlagally_> ... we decided we should not need more circles for blog posts
13:24:15 <mlagally_> ... I agree we need to decide on the next steps, how to approve changes to the web page
13:25:15 <mlagally_> mmc: Yes, we need a more formal approval process but don't want to repeat all work of the marketing group in the main call
13:25:44 <mlagally_> ... timing is important in some cases, waiting a week may be too long, e.g. for publishing to twitter
13:26:28 <mlagally_> ... let's take this off-line, we can work out a proposed procedure in the marketing call next week and come back with a proposal to the main call next week
13:26:38 <mlagally_> ... does this make sense
13:26:43 <kaz> kaz: +1
13:26:46 <kaz> s/sense/sense?/
13:26:49 <mlagally_> sk: makes sense for me
13:27:01 <mlagally_> q+
13:27:15 <dape> ack dape
13:27:15 <Zakim> dape, you wanted to use twitter or generic w3c blog is still possible
13:27:19 <mlagally_> ... twitter communication may require faster speed
13:27:47 <mlagally_> ... I had the impression that we were very transparent
13:28:11 <mlagally_> ... I agree with Lagally that we have to get an approval but we did not get any objection
13:29:16 <mlagally_> ... We should improve the publication policy, will discuss in next Marketing call
13:29:41 <mlagally_> mmc: Bulk of the work can be done in the marketing call, but approval should be done in the main call
13:29:47 <sebastian> q?
13:29:50 <kaz> kaz: +1
13:29:58 <dape> ack McCool
13:29:58 <sebastian> ack m
13:30:01 <dape> ack mlagally_
13:30:01 <sebastian> ack mj
13:30:15 <mlagally_> topic: WoT Use Cases
13:30:40 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-usecases/ WoT Use Cases Editor's Draft
13:30:56 <kaz> ml: Chapter 4 in pretty good shape
13:31:05 <kaz> q+
13:31:13 <McCool> q+
13:31:34 <kaz> ... some cleaning up remaining
13:32:27 <McCool> ack m
13:32:42 <mlagally_> sk: publication is planned for in two weeks
13:32:52 <kaz> ack k
13:33:04 <mlagally_> kaz: if that is the plan I'm ok to continue the discussion on Tuesday
13:33:29 <mlagally_> ... This is an IG note and the first publication, so it does not have to be perfect
13:33:32 <Ege> q+
13:33:40 <McCool> q+
13:33:43 <kaz> s/This is/but please note that this is/
13:33:48 <mlagally_> topic: repository changes
13:34:23 <mlagally_> Some repos already have been changed (master->main), others not yet done
13:34:40 <kaz> done: wot-testing, wot-discovery, wot-security, wot-thing-description
13:34:41 <mlagally_> Ege: I can't change it in the binding templates repo
13:35:02 <kaz> [at the moment, only the Chairs have the credential]
13:35:17 <mlagally_> mmc: I will make the change tomorrow in the morning
13:35:26 <mlagally_> ml: all repos
13:35:29 <mlagally_> mmc: yes
13:35:32 <mlagally_> ml: thanks!
13:35:43 <mlagally_> topic: Plugfest and F2F
13:35:50 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/master/events/2021.03.Online/README.md Plugfest page
13:35:56 <mlagally_> We have some cancelled TF meetings, no TD call today
13:36:05 <kaz> s/We/sk: We/
13:36:10 <mlagally_> ... suggest to concentrate on plug fest
13:36:23 <mlagally_> ... Plugfest is running quite smoothly
13:36:34 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations Cancellations during Plugfest this week
13:36:40 <McCool> q+
13:36:53 <kaz> ack E
13:36:53 <mlagally_> ... a couple of things are online, Riot OS, Toumura, Siemens, Oracle
13:37:22 <mlagally_> ... people who take care of the thing models, tooling, a lot of things are going on
13:37:40 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2021.03.Online/TDs TDs so far
13:37:51 <mlagally_> ... next plugfest call is coming in two hours
13:38:00 <mlagally_> mmc: IETF VPN got cancelled
13:38:01 <kaz> s/... next/sk: next/
13:38:10 <mlagally_> ... we have our own VPN
13:38:30 <mlagally_> ... we use issue tracker for porjects
13:38:45 <mlagally_> ... plugfest call today has its own WebEx
13:39:01 <mlagally_> topic: F2F planning
13:39:28 <kaz> q+
13:39:33 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_March_2021
13:39:36 <kaz> ack mc
13:39:41 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_March_2021#Agenda
13:39:56 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
13:40:12 <mlagally_> Next plug fest call will start right after this call
13:40:16 <kaz> s/in two hours/right after this call/
13:40:40 <mlagally_> s/next plugfest/IETF hackathon/
13:40:57 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
13:41:34 <kaz> s/Agenda/Agenda vF2F agenda/
13:41:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:41:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:43:00 <kaz> s/IETF hackathon call is coming right after this call/our own Plugfest is held right after this call, while the IETF hackathon occurs after that./
13:43:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:43:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:43:36 <mlagally_> mmc: we should finalize the agenda next week, please put times
13:43:53 <mlagally_> ... it would be great to have presentation material available before the sessions
13:43:55 <kaz> s/Next plug fest call will start right after this call//
13:43:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:43:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:44:03 <mlagally_> topic: Liaisons
13:44:36 <kaz> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2021Mar/0008.html WebEx for the liaison discussion (member-only)
13:44:42 <mlagally_> We will have a meeting tomorrow to clarify plans with OPC-UA, such as joint charter, everybody is welcome to attend the call
13:44:51 <kaz> s/We/sk: We/
13:44:58 <mlagally_> mmc: invite has been already sent
13:45:22 <mlagally_> mmc: time is 1 hour before the plugfest call
13:45:43 <mlagally_> sk: Webthings - Ben will give us an update
13:45:55 <mlagally_> ... will also invite eCl@ss
13:46:09 <kaz> s/Webthings/WebThings/
13:46:23 <mlagally_> kaz: ITU-T will join tor the entire session
13:46:38 <kaz> s/ITU-T/IEC/
13:46:43 <kaz> s/tor the/the/
13:46:51 <McCool> https://github.com/t2trg/wishi/wiki/Agenda-items#wishi-online-meeting
13:47:04 <mlagally_> mmc: T2TRG - there was a Wishi and IETF hackathon meeting
13:47:16 <kaz> i/https/(ITU-T SG20 also joins the vF2F on March 22)
13:47:24 <mlagally_> ... I attended the Wishi meeting, we discussed future topics
13:47:27 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
13:47:44 <kaz> s/online-meeting/online-meeting WISHI workshop/
13:48:12 <mlagally_> ... using SDF in TDs and thing models
13:48:58 <mlagally_> sk: no news on OPC, look forward on tomorrow's meeting
13:49:36 <mlagally_> mml: OGC - discussed with Christine Perrey, GeoSparql, need to follow up
13:49:38 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
13:49:47 <mlagally_> kaz: Echonet, will meet this Friday
13:50:09 <mlagally_> mmc: APA - no news
13:50:30 <mlagally_> ml: no response on DTDL yet
13:50:40 <mlagally_> topic TF reports
13:51:19 <mlagally_> dape: Scripting worked over open issues and merged some PRs, we are good for the master-> main change
13:51:30 <mlagally_> ... some proposals for API improvement
13:51:40 <mlagally_> mmc: no Security call this week
13:51:49 <mlagally_> ... discovery merged a couple of PRs
13:51:58 <mlagally_> ... prioritized new topics
13:52:25 <mlagally_> ... Will have sth by F2F, but no examples
13:53:00 <mlagally_> sk: Marketing: Webpage, Video already discussed, publication policy will be discussed next week
13:53:17 <mlagally_> ml: no use case call last week
13:53:26 <mlagally_> sk: plugfest call this week
13:53:38 <kaz> s/this/whole this/
13:53:42 <mlagally_> ... TD: some PRs were merged, used in the plug fest
13:53:57 <kaz> s/plug fest/plugfest/
13:54:14 <mlagally_> ... first version of a JSON schema for thing models has been provided by Ege
13:54:42 <mlagally_> ... long discussion about dataschema definition in forms, let's see what we learn from the plugfest
13:55:09 <mlagally_> mmc: this was the first time a JSON pointer has been used
13:56:47 <mlagally_> ml: architecture: we classified devices based on memory footprint, i.e. class-0, class-1, ...
13:57:02 <mlagally_> kaz: we should use plugfest webex for the plugfest call.
13:57:11 <kaz> s/call/call today/
13:57:23 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:57:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:57:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:57:31 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
14:13:46 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
14:35:41 <ktoumura> ktoumura has left #wot
14:45:32 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
15:58:33 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
16:01:17 <Zakim> Zakim has left #wot
17:00:14 <dsr_> dsr_ has joined #wot
18:41:23 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
18:57:33 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
18:58:34 <zkis> zkis has joined #wot
20:01:02 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
20:02:03 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
20:33:17 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
20:44:52 <zkis> zkis has joined #wot
21:04:38 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
21:36:29 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
22:02:11 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
22:18:54 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot
23:02:20 <dsr> dsr has joined #wot