15:44:21 RRSAgent has joined #md-odrl-profile 15:44:21 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-irc 15:44:23 RRSAgent, make logs Public 15:44:24 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jo_ 15:48:23 Meeting: Rights Automation Community Group Teleconference 15:48:29 chair: Jo 15:56:25 regrets: renato, laura 15:56:56 belen has joined #md-odrl-profile 15:56:58 agenda: https://w3c.github.io/market-data-odrl-profile/agendas/md-odrl-profile-agenda-2021-03-03.html 15:59:38 rrsagent, make minutes 15:59:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_ 16:00:43 present: jo, belen, ali 16:01:00 present+ adam 16:01:12 present+ mark 16:04:12 present+ caspar, letitia, atiq, trisha, marko, ben, jeremy 16:05:23 regrets+ josh 16:05:36 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 16:05:51 present+ mevan, emily 16:06:09 scribe: jo 16:06:20 Topic: Admin 16:07:12 Minutes of last meeting: https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html 16:07:19 MichelleR has joined #md-odrl-profile 16:07:34 present+ michelle 16:08:22 Jo: actions from last meeting, ben to clarify funcgibility 16:08:26 ben: keep open 16:09:02 jo: ben to chase re getting chat on zoom 16:09:15 ben: was working earlier 16:09:19 mark_bird has joined #md-odrl-profile 16:09:25 jo: lets check that again later 16:10:36 jo: clock change - need to decide 3pm UK or 4pm UK for next meeting 16:11:03 RESOLUTION: Hold next meeting 4pm UK, 1200 EST 16:11:24 NigelP has joined #md-odrl-profile 16:11:35 RESOLUTION: Accept minutes of last meeting 16:12:12 scribe: nigelp 16:12:18 present+ nigelp 16:12:32 Caspar_MacRae has joined #md-odrl-profile 16:14:12 Topic: The path forward 16:15:14 Olga has joined #md-odrl-profile 16:15:25 jo_ First public draft: formal point in W3C process where public is asked to contribute 16:16:17 ... would typically have some form of interoperability test suite at this stage 16:16:55 present+ Olga 16:17:23 present+ alex 16:17:30 ben: my sense is early implementations will lead to the development of test suite; premature to try to have one now. 16:18:11 Caspar_MacRae: agree - first users will almost certainly raise new requirements 16:19:21 jo_: may have to adopt iterative process here. Question: who will write test cases and in what form? 16:20:05 ben: happy to manage any emergent framework 16:21:08 mark_bird: is first Poc we demo at the end of the month art of this iterative process (i.e. will drive initial test cases) 16:21:16 ben: yes, exactly. 16:21:30 s/Poc/POC/ 16:23:08 ... two aspects are to assert certain inputs are "valid" 16:23:44 ... given a valid input, what is the expected output? 16:24:13 RESOLUTION: We will take an emergent approach to testing and test suites, and Ben will take the lead on this 16:24:21 ... would the duty (for example) be seen as fulfilled or unfulfilled 16:24:54 jo_: should we discuss IPR? 16:25:20 ... (i.e. Intellectual Property Rights) 16:27:17 ben: for context, community group have so far acknowledged they have no IP claim to their contributions. 16:28:09 ... extension is that W3C would encourage moving to a position where community membership disclaim any IP rights to anything mentioned in the standard. 16:31:39 jo_: clarification this is not people revoking IP claims to assets in the standard, only to asserting that they hold no IP that impedes implementation of the standard 16:31:50 present+ Ilya 16:32:42 Ilya: would have to refer internally to relevant parties. Extremely helpful to have proposed wording. 16:32:51 ACTION: Jo to draft a statement on IP for members of the group to pass by their control functions/legal teams 16:34:12 jo_: once standard is published, what should be the next steps? 16:34:27 ... also how do we maintain the standard going forward? 16:35:11 ... propose to maintain cadence of meetings during implementation period, but perhaps shorten duration. 16:36:17 mark_bird: feedback that the work to date is seen as focused on exchange data rather than other content. Worth demonstrating other use cases for standard. 16:37:00 ... would suggest it was beneficial if this ran in parallel with implementation period. 16:38:43 ben: have focused on market data on the assumption it covers most issues. Need the views of others on whether this is valid or if it is important to look at other cases early in the process. 16:39:30 mark_bird: I think there will be work to do on this aspect. 16:40:38 jo_: W3C ask if we want to move from community group to working group. Requires members to join W3C. Can be expensive for large organisations. 16:41:29 ben: possibly too early in the process for this step. 16:42:06 Topic: Test Cases Continued ... 16:42:44 ben: good progress in last session. Near finishing. 16:43:43 ... To be solved relates to "free trials". Ben to propose extensions 16:46:53 ... on redistribution there is a question on distinction between public web sites and white labelled products. 16:47:52 MichelleR: public is relatively rare - more commonly servicing specific clients. 16:48:42 ... white labelling is typically reselling someone else's service to your clients with your branding on it 16:49:07 Jeremy: we see the "white labelling" use cases. 16:52:28 ben: DD-6 - IP owner is an interesting point. Proposes to support statements to the effect that the derived data is unencumbered by obligations inherited from the raw data used as inputs to creating it. 16:53:44 ... DD-8 need help to understand use case 16:55:43 NigelP: agree this is unclear 16:58:31 ben: R-3 - R-5 under Audit. Are these too detailed? 16:59:37 Olga: do we need to address these to deal with audit frequency? 16:59:56 ben: I think we can cover this in audit duties. 17:00:02 Topic: AOB 17:00:19 ... last "to be solved" is in Termination 17:01:26 jo: thanks to Nigel for scribing! 17:01:33 --- meeting closed 17:01:46 rrsagent, make minutes 17:01:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_ 17:05:26 ScribeOptions: oldStyle, final 17:05:32 rrsagent, make minutes 17:05:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_ 17:07:03 s/funcgibility/fungibility 17:07:09 rrsagent, make minutes 17:07:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_ 17:08:06 ScribeOptions: -oldStyle -final 17:08:09 rrsagent, make minutes 17:08:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_ 17:09:50 s/jo_ First public draft/jo_: First public draft 17:40:56 ben has left #md-odrl-profile 18:33:12 Zakim has left #md-odrl-profile