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20:56:09 <PWinstanley> regrets+ riccardoAlbertoni
20:56:23 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup
20:56:46 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.03.03
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21:09:10 <AndreaPerego> trackbot, start meeting
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21:09:16 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
21:09:16 <trackbot> Date: 03 March 2021
21:09:37 <AndreaPerego> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup meeting
21:10:10 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.03.03
21:10:23 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:10:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
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21:10:43 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:10:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:10:58 <AndreaPerego> present+
21:11:00 <PWinstanley> proposed:  accept https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:11:00 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:11:30 <PWinstanley> scribenick: PWinstanley
21:11:52 <alejandra> +1
21:11:56 <Makx> 0
21:12:14 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:12:32 <PWinstanley> +1
21:13:39 <DaveBr> +1 to minutes
21:13:45 <PWinstanley> resolved:  accept https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:13:48 <AndreaPerego> topic: approve agenda
21:13:57 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:13:58 <DaveBr> ?me looks like I have a wrong webex link, so yes!
21:13:59 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:14:27 <DaveBr> s/?me looks like I have a wrong webex link, so yes!/
21:14:32 <PWinstanley> alejandra: we have an issue around software - including it as a resource type
21:15:12 <alejandra> https://codemeta.github.io/
21:15:31 <PWinstanley> ... I think it is useful in relation to data, and the Force11 CodeMeta is mapping to schema, so I'll try for another crosswalk and I think we should add the properties they have compiles
21:15:43 <PWinstanley> ... Same in the main as codata
21:15:48 <PWinstanley> +1 to alejandra
21:15:59 <Makx> +1
21:15:59 <alejandra> s/codata/codemeta
21:16:30 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: we can add that to github and bring it into discussion in later meetings
21:16:38 <DaveBr> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:17:01 <AndreaPerego> topic: range of locn:geometry
21:17:05 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:17:14 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:17:23 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego:
21:17:23 <DaveBr> present+
21:19:28 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: this is an erratum.  Feedback pointing out the inappropriate range (literal) rather than a class.  literal was added because of bounding boxes and centroids, but the change will not break anything as locn:Geometry is an abstract class that allows most/all geospatial entities.  The property helps specify any place, so flexibility is really needed
21:19:57 <PWinstanley> ... If we put it in as an error then it is in the erratum page
21:20:52 <alejandra> +q
21:21:04 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
21:21:16 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:21:53 <PWinstanley> alejandra: the comment by Simon about the Range - is there an issue?
21:22:08 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: here is the relevant bit...
21:22:19 <AndreaPerego> Definition of locn:geometry: https://www.w3.org/ns/locn#locn:geometry
21:22:58 <PWinstanley> ... the usage note shows it can be encoded as a literal or anything else - it's an abstract class, a placeholder
21:23:16 <PWinstanley> ... so there is no restriction in the way that geometry can be represented
21:23:31 <PWinstanley> Topic: Versioning
21:23:55 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:24:00 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
21:24:20 <DaveBr> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:24:57 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: one point is discussion about currentVersion and lastVersion - what they mean and how relevant they might be
21:26:38 <PWinstanley> ... the prop :currentVersion is meant to point to a snapshot that represents the 'current' version.  This prop should be used when versions of a resource are available and published sequentially - to indicate the current version.  the other usage is with version chains where there are different snapshots
21:28:03 <PWinstanley> ... when there is a URI that always points to the 'latest' version, and when there are resources evolving over time, :currentVersion points to the snapshot that is the current one of the moment
21:28:16 <alejandra> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-versioning-v2/dcat/index.html#dataset-versions
21:28:34 <PWinstanley> ... There are diagrams in the draft document to help explain this
21:29:11 <AndreaPerego> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-versioning-v2/dcat/index.html#fig-version-chain-and-hierarchy
21:32:26 <alejandra> +q
21:32:28 <PWinstanley> during the meeting AndreaPerego  presented the diagram and how it illustrated the rationale for the property
21:32:33 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:33:09 <PWinstanley> alejandra: what properties are not in PAV?
21:33:37 <AndreaPerego> What is not included in PAV is dcat:isVersionOf and dcat:hasLastVersion.
21:33:59 <Makx> q+
21:35:37 <PWinstanley> ack Makx
21:36:39 <PWinstanley> Makx: I have difficulty understanding why we are doing this.  the explanation works on the basis of document versions, but I don't see the dataset case here because the URIs are not for datasets but are for duplicates of the same thing
21:36:48 <alejandra> +q
21:38:04 <PWinstanley> ... I would think that all we need (in the diagram) it pointers for the dcat2 - dcat3.  With datasets it's just a duplicate identifier for the same dataset
21:38:47 <PWinstanley> ... I think it would be easier to understand with :previousVersion and :nextVersion links
21:39:09 <PWinstanley> ... I don't think :lastVersion is necessary
21:39:12 <AndreaPerego> Example of dataset: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-versioning-v2/dcat/index.html#ex-version-chain-and-hierarchy
21:39:27 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: we have an example of a dataset - see link
21:39:37 <PWinstanley> ... this is taken from DWBP
21:39:51 <PWinstanley> ... a dataset and different snapshots of the same dataset
21:40:29 <PWinstanley> ... In the versioning section we discuss, but we are not requiring - it is providing options that you have available
21:42:00 <PWinstanley> Makx: My recommendationis to stay to what PAV has and just have a link to the previous version
21:42:04 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:42:15 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/TR/hcls-dataset/#datasetdescriptionlevels
21:43:21 <PWinstanley> alejandra: in the link for HCLS there is a reliance on PAV.  I liked the figures shown earlier, but I think that because it focuses on a document example it missed some of the points that we might use if the example was relating to datasets
21:43:37 <PWinstanley> ... in the HCLS we relied exclusively on PAV terms
21:43:52 <PWinstanley> ... The other q relates to :isVersionOf
21:44:05 <PWinstanley> ... do we need dcat, or could we use dct:
21:44:40 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: the reason we rely on PAV is that there is a more specific sense of version comparing than with dct.
21:46:02 <PWinstanley> alejandra: the only one I had doubts about was :isVersionOf
21:46:25 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: we are relying exactly on the PAV data model -
21:47:00 <alejandra> +q
21:47:01 <PWinstanley> ... the alternative is not to use the full PAV model
21:48:13 <PWinstanley> ... the examples (I agree with alejandra and Makx  that a dataset example would be good and I've started to add one).
21:48:16 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:48:42 <DaveBr> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:49:06 <PWinstanley> alejandra: I agree that semantically it would be enough to have a chain of versions, but is it worth considering query performance and the computation of long property chains?
21:50:21 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: when creating a new version, are you going to alter the record of the previous dataset?  This is really a metadata management decision.
21:50:45 <alejandra> +q
21:51:24 <PWinstanley> ... It can be done, but depends on policies etc for metadata management.  We can mention these, but I wouldn't provide recommendations - this is an implementation issue
21:51:40 <PWinstanley> ... also people can just pick up and use what they find useful
21:52:23 <PWinstanley> ... Having use cases to work to would be helpful.  This is just a draft for discussion, and needs testing
21:53:10 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:53:55 <PWinstanley> alejandra: thanks for the clarification.  Situations where the rights to modification don't exist point to having this arrangement of props
21:54:39 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:55:05 <AndreaPerego> ADMS F/OSS: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documentation/ADMS.FOSS_specification_v0.01.pdf
21:55:07 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
21:55:44 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: referring to the point about software raised earlier by alejandra , F/OSS might be a good starting point
21:55:48 <PWinstanley> ... see link
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21:59:26 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: there is a PR #927 which is a contribution relating to a Romanian translation
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21:59:55 <alejandra> +q
22:00:04 <PWinstanley> ... this is parked and needs to be decided on - do we want to get an update from them
22:00:09 <alejandra> ack alejandra
22:00:26 <PWinstanley> alejandra: can we include a partial translation?  it is better than nothing
22:00:39 <AndreaPerego_> +1
22:00:59 <AndreaPerego_> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:02:18 <alejandra> thanks, and bye!
22:02:33 <DaveBr> bye
22:02:38 <PWinstanley> bye
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