18:02:16 RRSAgent has joined #auto 18:02:16 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/03/01-auto-irc 18:02:18 RRSAgent, make logs Public 18:02:19 Meeting: Automotive Working Group Teleconference 18:02:21 Meeting: RPC 18:02:23 scribenick: ted 18:02:35 Present+ MagnusF, Gunnar, Ulf, Ted, Glenn 18:03:43 Scribe: Ted 18:04:56 MagnusF: receiving positive feedback internally and clearing some hurdles wrt open sourcing 18:05:17 Gunnar: VSC tools repo exists and ready 18:05:52 MagnusF: I've added nested namespaces, each can have its own attributes, events 18:06:01 … I have been working on tests as well 18:06:35 … cleaning up the python code and working on documentation for when I have approval 18:08:00 … there will be a dbus based C++ code generator as well 18:08:18 … protocol side we will be able to try things out 18:08:47 Gunnar: presumably from a parser 18:09:37 MagnusF: you run YAML through a schema validator and based on datatype definitions until it gets down to native types and structs 18:09:54 … it is really straightforward and only 5-600 lines of code 18:10:12 Gunnar: the schema checker may be a sticking point 18:10:27 MagnusF: it is permissive at present but might narrow that 18:10:53 Gunnar: how does this compare to VSS tools? 18:10:58 MagnusF: maybe some... 18:11:18 Gunnar: BMW has refactored a number of them recently based on any tree 18:11:31 … some are not yet converted to this new approach 18:11:42 … they're using a method set as deprecated for now 18:12:03 … not sure there is a major advantage but it is somewhat smart 18:12:21 … it can handle tree structures fairly well 18:12:37 MagnusF: I have it up right now and will look to see if I can adopt it 18:13:12 … does Franca use 'command', 'method' or...? 18:13:17 Gunnar: method 18:13:37 MagnusF: any differentiating if command (no return) is issued... 18:13:42 Gunnar: don't believe so 18:14:31 MagnusF: happy to have a better way to handle trees in python 18:14:37 … any feedback from CVII workshop? 18:15:01 Gunnar: not really, well no pushback on anything we put forward 18:15:15 … there were requests for copies of presentations to redistribute 18:15:54 MagnusF: like VSS we'll hear that others are interested through the grapevine 18:16:13 Gunnar: Franca just has interface which contains methods 18:16:35 MagnusF: nested namespaces to help align with Woven 18:16:57 s/Woven/W[xxxx]/ 18:17:20 … how is interface semantically different from package? 18:17:41 Gunnar: package name just reverse domain name 18:18:50 … I'll send over user guide 18:18:58 MagnusF: thanks, it has been awhile since I've read it 18:19:30 … any other topics for today? 18:20:23 Ulf: we need wider participation? 18:20:39 MagnusF: we only announced publicly last week 18:20:54 Ulf: but we have been running these meetings for awhile. we need more than one OEM 18:21:49 MagnusF: we don't have enough substance for people to evaluate at this point 18:22:03 … code is feature complete and accompanying documentation will help 18:22:16 Ted: typical of standards work you get a number of lurkers and few working to further it until you reach a proof of concept 18:25:52 … @@on other OEM, promotion within and outside W3C (eg analysts) 18:26:37 MagnusF: I have political landscape to figure out 18:26:49 … plus demonstrate value internally as part of that 18:27:11 Glenn: are we looking at cloud based interactions or direct to vehicle? 18:27:35 MagnusF: I think we agreed on both, I'm more interested in both. W3C interest would be vehicle to cloud 18:27:59 … main difference is you don't really trust the cloud security wise nor connectivity 18:30:47 Glenn: proof of concept would be good but we're not in that many vehicle platforms yet 18:31:10 [list of OEM and Tier 1s we know have implemented, some rumors of RFQ listing it with others] 18:31:24 Gunnar: CVII is getting interest 18:32:00 … data first will help 18:32:34 MagnusF: I know VSS doesn't have a serious competitor and as noted getting used by additional [unnamed] OEM 18:34:08 Gunnar: Bosch's code is going to be open sourced 18:34:14 (and related to Bosch/MS news) 18:38:20 [more discussion of industry trend, lack of alternatives to VSS] 18:43:23 MagnusF: everyong is talking about service based architectures but nobody is doing it yet 18:43:28 … our timing will be spot on 18:43:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/01-auto-minutes.html ted 18:48:40 cccccceukvetvrcbnggctkgurdenukiktdhggbvglkjk 21:18:46 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been MagnusF, Gunnar, Ulf, Ted, Glenn 21:18:46 Zakim has left #auto 21:18:47 I see no action items