IRC log of aria on 2021-02-25

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
17:59:24 [jamesn]
agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2021Feb/0022.html
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clear agenda
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agenda+ New Issue Triage<https://bit.ly/3ux6hXE>
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agenda+ New PR Triage<https://bit.ly/3kivsbH>
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agenda+ Meaty topic for next week<https://bit.ly/3pUi5PU>
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agenda+ onboarding - please provide input<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1401>
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agenda+ Updated aria-setsize and aria-posinset to clarify usage for authors<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1332>
17:59:29 [jamesn]
meeting: ARIA WG
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agenda+ 1.2 Status
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agenda+ 1.3 planning - focus areas??<https://bit.ly/37JmRtA>
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chair: JamesNurthen
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present+
18:00:41 [joanie]
present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
18:01:29 [Scott_O]
present+ Scott_O
18:02:20 [jamesn]
regrets+ MelanieSumner SarahHigley
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regrets+ IsabelHoldsworth
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present+
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scribe: Irfan
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- New Issue Triage<https://bit.ly/3ux6hXE> -- taken up [from agendabot]
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jamesn: braille role description is new in one dot three and we should get the examples right.
18:07:24 [Irfan]
jcraig: already fixed it
18:07:26 [harris]
present+
18:07:27 [CurtBellew]
present+
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https://bit.ly/3ux6hXE
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present+
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jamesn: next one 1406 ARIA spec.
18:09:12 [Irfan]
Scott_O: it is something could be editorial updates for aria-current or need to define who so people toggle something.
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jamesn: it looks like a switch or radio
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Scott_O: its more like radio button. you can not unselect
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jamesn: is it 1.3 issues?
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jamesn: if it is minor then we can have it for 1.3
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Scott_O: will take it
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- New PR Triage<https://bit.ly/3kivsbH> -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:12:01 [Irfan]
jamesn: some of the PRs need some review
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Matt_King: I think putting you know if there was wonderful support for article enroll description and screen readers it'd be awesome if you know the article key took you from side to side and I called it an article because you use role description
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Scribe: Curtis Bellew
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https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/112
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present+
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JN: who should review this - to Bryan
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- Meaty topic for next week<https://bit.ly/3pUi5PU> -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:19:02 [CurtBellew]
jn: list of potential deep dive topics for next week
18:19:33 [CurtBellew]
jn: peter do you want to propose the mobile touch topic
18:19:50 [CurtBellew]
jn: should we take a week off from deep dives because we've had a couple in a row?
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jn: anything urgent?
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carmacleod: ok why don't we leave it open?
18:20:37 [CurtBellew]
jn: hearing nothing let's move on
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- onboarding - please provide input<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1401> -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:21:02 [CurtBellew]
jn: two new members on this call. introductions
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welcome Tammy Campoverde and Jory Cunningham
18:26:40 [CurtBellew]
jn: onboarding. we're looking to improve this process
18:27:23 [CurtBellew]
jn: We know there are many things we need to do but this is an open forum. What information might you have needed when you started out in this group that didn't have access to
18:27:25 [MichaelC]
q+
18:27:58 [CurtBellew]
michaelc: this is also a topic in the working group. A suggestion has been for me to do an introduction orientation video
18:28:11 [jcraig]
q+
18:28:16 [CurtBellew]
michaelc: it may make sense to do one of those fo rhe aria working group as well
18:28:43 [CurtBellew]
jn: I have a task to create an email when a new member joins but I haven't been able to do that yet
18:28:57 [CurtBellew]
MK: Does the task force have a similar email?
18:29:20 [CurtBellew]
Michaelc: joining a task force doesn't trigger the email
18:29:52 [jcraig]
q+ to mention new people can filing issues or pull requests against the markdown readme at https://github.com/w3c/aria/
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ack MichaelC
18:30:02 [CurtBellew]
Michaelc: Getting added to a working group does not add you automatically to a task force.
18:30:51 [CurtBellew]
MK: I remember back in the beginning I remember trying to sort a lot of concepts about ARIA itself out.
18:30:55 [jamesn]
ack j
18:30:55 [Zakim]
jcraig, you wanted to mention new people can filing issues or pull requests against the markdown readme at https://github.com/w3c/aria/
18:31:24 [CurtBellew]
jcraig: We do have a readme and I would encourage any new people or people who have been around to read that and if you find something that needs to be added to the readme , please file an issue
18:31:53 [CurtBellew]
jcraig: An "it would be nice to have this" in the intro document request
18:32:07 [CurtBellew]
jn: this would be best from recent joiners
18:32:25 [CurtBellew]
jn: we want as many people to be involved as possible
18:33:03 [CurtBellew]
Jemma: In the beginning this group can be a little intimidating. Please feel free to reach out
18:33:25 [CurtBellew]
MK: The notion of mentorship is really a pretty good idea. Maybe we do topic specific mentorship.
18:33:42 [CurtBellew]
MK: There might be things where you get mentored from multiple things in the group.
18:34:17 [CurtBellew]
JN: A buddy system when they join would be a good idea
18:35:35 [jcraig]
PR https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1409 is now ready to merge with the changes we just discussed.
18:35:35 [CurtBellew]
CurtBellew: An email group or some other way to ask questions related to processes etc
18:35:44 [CurtBellew]
JN: There is an unofficial Slack channel
18:36:16 [CurtBellew]
Jemma: Can we have a wiki document. I think people might be worried about sending an email to the entire group.
18:36:49 [CurtBellew]
JN: Slack would be a great place to find answers to process questions. So that could help
18:37:26 [CurtBellew]
Jemma: Can we have a page on how to do the basics in github with respect to ARIA?
18:37:45 [CurtBellew]
JN: There are great guides on github
18:37:57 [CurtBellew]
Jemma: this would be more about our repository and our specific procedures
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zakim, next item
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agendum 5 -- Updated aria-setsize and aria-posinset to clarify usage for authors<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1332> -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:38:54 [CurtBellew]
JN: waiting on malanie so we can skip this one
18:39:03 [CurtBellew]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 5 closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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6. 1.2 Status [from agendabot]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 6 -- 1.2 Status -- taken up [from agendabot]
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present+
18:39:36 [CurtBellew]
Harris: I've posted a comment in the previous issue wrt onboarding.
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ifran: do we have any of the quick keys documented
18:41:07 [CurtBellew]
JN: Michael, where are we?
18:41:36 [CurtBellew]
Michaelc: The doc was supposed to be published on Tuesday but ran in to issues. Fixed those and tried again today and had more issues. Monday
18:41:51 [CurtBellew]
JN: is there a way to try to resolve the issues today rather than waiting until Monday?
18:42:01 [CurtBellew]
Michaelc: It's on my todo list
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JN: let me know if I can help
18:42:29 [CurtBellew]
JN: no virtual celebration for 1.2 release. soon
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JN: hopefully next week we will have 1.2 candidate out the door
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zakim, next item
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agendum 7 -- 1.3 planning - focus areas??<https://bit.ly/37JmRtA> -- taken up [from agendabot]
18:43:15 [CurtBellew]
JN: This may morph in to the deep dive topic for next week
18:43:28 [CurtBellew]
JN: we planned to have our first working draft out by now - 1.3
18:43:55 [CurtBellew]
JN: We are running out of time to get features in to 1.3. We already have a lot of braille support and annotation support. We don't want to hold those up for a long time
18:44:26 [CurtBellew]
JN: so we don't want to put a lot more in. So propose we have a small focus area that we put a lot of work in to so that we can call 1.3 done and move on
18:44:50 [jcraig]
q+
18:44:50 [CurtBellew]
JN: An ARIA where I believe we need a lot of work is live regions
18:45:02 [jcraig]
ack me
18:45:21 [harris]
+1 to working on live regions
18:45:23 [CurtBellew]
jcraig: acknowledge that live regions have a lot of areas to delve in to
18:45:33 [CurtBellew]
jcraig: anything in particular?
18:45:52 [CurtBellew]
JN: We have a lot of issues. The fact that they're read once and then done etc
18:46:26 [CurtBellew]
JN: problems of using a part of the page for notification type messages
18:47:04 [CurtBellew]
MK: If you're thinking one to two month timeline then this is probably better for 1.4
18:47:17 [CurtBellew]
MK: I'd like to get out 1.3 as soon as possible
18:48:11 [CurtBellew]
MK: could we focus on aria-invalid as a compliement to annotations rather than live regions
18:48:23 [CurtBellew]
JN: that does seem more like a bug fix that a focus area.
18:48:46 [CurtBellew]
MK: agree, it just feels like it would be great to get 1.3 shipped sooner than later and the live region topic is a really big one
18:48:58 [CurtBellew]
MK: lining up the browser support is a big topic
18:49:20 [CurtBellew]
jcraig: would be AT support too.
18:49:46 [CurtBellew]
jcraig: We would need to decide everything we need to get in to webkit before May which seems like it's not quite enough time to get it out this year
18:50:01 [CurtBellew]
jcraig: Live regions do seem like a 1.4 things
18:50:32 [CurtBellew]
JN: So no major focus area for 1.3 so we can get the release out sooner
18:50:56 [CurtBellew]
carmacleod: what about value-text?
18:51:09 [CurtBellew]
MK: value-text and aria-invalid would be good
18:51:37 [CurtBellew]
JN: what if we take the ARIA call for next week and make it a 2 hour call to look through issues
18:51:46 [CurtBellew]
JN: Things that you would like to work on
18:51:52 [CurtBellew]
MK: use the deep dive time?
18:52:00 [CurtBellew]
JN: yes , that's my proposal
18:52:01 [Jemma]
q+
18:52:10 [CurtBellew]
JN: to get some firm plans for 1.3
18:52:51 [pkra]
q+
18:52:57 [CurtBellew]
JN: The proposed meeting would start at 9am Pacific on the 4th of March
18:53:12 [CurtBellew]
Jemma: Which issues should we be looking at?
18:53:22 [CurtBellew]
MK: propose we focus on the ones that have been triaged for 1.3
18:53:52 [CurtBellew]
JN: I'd agree with that unless someone has something they really want to work on and will do the work themselves
18:54:20 [CurtBellew]
jcraig: how would the new attendees prepare?
18:54:44 [CurtBellew]
MK: send out an email with the list of issues. Make a URL for that. Would be a guide to open issues
18:55:07 [CurtBellew]
jcraig: a link is one thing but a nice quick walk through would be benificial
18:55:33 [CurtBellew]
Tammy: would be nice to get that. Would be nice to shadow somebody. So we get an idea of what is the correct process
18:55:57 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria/labels/ARIA%201.3
18:56:14 [CurtBellew]
JN: good idea. I don't want to volunteer anyone. One thing is that we are all doing the work in small slices during our days.
18:56:16 [Jemma]
this is the label with aria 1.3 in github
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https://github.com/w3c/aria/labels/ARIA%201.3
18:56:31 [CurtBellew]
JN: Tammy, I could do a short call with you to walk through some things though
18:57:04 [CurtBellew]
jcraig: I could hang around on this call to do a quick walk through of the milestones and the pull request process.
18:57:24 [CurtBellew]
CurtBellew: can I be in that call?
18:57:37 [CurtBellew]
jcraig: sounds great.
18:58:04 [CurtBellew]
JN: let's wrap this up. next week plan on a longer meeting
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