17:59:20 RRSAgent has joined #aria 17:59:20 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/02/25-aria-irc 17:59:23 RRSAgent, make logs Public 17:59:24 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn 17:59:24 agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2021Feb/0022.html 17:59:24 clear agenda 17:59:24 agenda+ New Issue Triage 17:59:24 agenda+ New PR Triage 17:59:24 agenda+ Meaty topic for next week 17:59:24 agenda+ onboarding - please provide input 17:59:27 agenda+ Updated aria-setsize and aria-posinset to clarify usage for authors 17:59:29 meeting: ARIA WG 17:59:30 agenda+ 1.2 Status 17:59:33 agenda+ 1.3 planning - focus areas?? 17:59:33 chair: JamesNurthen 18:00:08 pkra has joined #aria 18:00:22 present+ 18:00:41 present+ Joanmarie_Diggs 18:01:29 present+ Scott_O 18:02:20 regrets+ MelanieSumner SarahHigley 18:02:44 regrets+ IsabelHoldsworth 18:02:47 Irfan has joined #aria 18:02:51 present+ 18:03:35 harris has joined #aria 18:04:29 scribe: Irfan 18:04:45 zakim, next item 18:04:45 agendum 1 -- New Issue Triage -- taken up [from agendabot] 18:07:13 CurtBellew has joined #aria 18:07:15 jamesn: braille role description is new in one dot three and we should get the examples right. 18:07:24 jcraig: already fixed it 18:07:26 present+ 18:07:27 present+ 18:07:43 StefanS has joined #aria 18:07:51 https://bit.ly/3ux6hXE 18:07:54 present+ 18:08:43 jamesn: next one 1406 ARIA spec. 18:09:12 Scott_O: it is something could be editorial updates for aria-current or need to define who so people toggle something. 18:09:25 jamesn: it looks like a switch or radio 18:09:48 Scott_O: its more like radio button. you can not unselect 18:09:56 jamesn: is it 1.3 issues? 18:10:15 jamesn: if it is minor then we can have it for 1.3 18:10:20 Scott_O: will take it 18:11:06 zakim, next item 18:11:06 agendum 2 -- New PR Triage -- taken up [from agendabot] 18:12:01 jamesn: some of the PRs need some review 18:12:24 Matt_King has joined #aria 18:15:16 Matt_King: I think putting you know if there was wonderful support for article enroll description and screen readers it'd be awesome if you know the article key took you from side to side and I called it an article because you use role description 18:16:40 Scribe: Curtis Bellew 18:18:00 carmacleod has joined #aria 18:18:02 https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/112 18:18:06 present+ 18:18:27 JN: who should review this - to Bryan 18:18:45 zakim, next item 18:18:45 agendum 3 -- Meaty topic for next week -- taken up [from agendabot] 18:19:02 jn: list of potential deep dive topics for next week 18:19:33 jn: peter do you want to propose the mobile touch topic 18:19:50 jn: should we take a week off from deep dives because we've had a couple in a row? 18:19:54 jn: anything urgent? 18:20:28 carmacleod: ok why don't we leave it open? 18:20:37 jn: hearing nothing let's move on 18:20:43 zakim, next item 18:20:43 agendum 4 -- onboarding - please provide input -- taken up [from agendabot] 18:21:02 jn: two new members on this call. introductions 18:23:43 welcome Tammy Campoverde and Jory Cunningham 18:26:40 jn: onboarding. we're looking to improve this process 18:27:23 jn: We know there are many things we need to do but this is an open forum. What information might you have needed when you started out in this group that didn't have access to 18:27:25 q+ 18:27:58 michaelc: this is also a topic in the working group. A suggestion has been for me to do an introduction orientation video 18:28:11 q+ 18:28:16 michaelc: it may make sense to do one of those fo rhe aria working group as well 18:28:43 jn: I have a task to create an email when a new member joins but I haven't been able to do that yet 18:28:57 MK: Does the task force have a similar email? 18:29:20 Michaelc: joining a task force doesn't trigger the email 18:29:52 q+ to mention new people can filing issues or pull requests against the markdown readme at https://github.com/w3c/aria/ 18:30:00 ack MichaelC 18:30:02 Michaelc: Getting added to a working group does not add you automatically to a task force. 18:30:51 MK: I remember back in the beginning I remember trying to sort a lot of concepts about ARIA itself out. 18:30:55 ack j 18:30:55 jcraig, you wanted to mention new people can filing issues or pull requests against the markdown readme at https://github.com/w3c/aria/ 18:31:24 jcraig: We do have a readme and I would encourage any new people or people who have been around to read that and if you find something that needs to be added to the readme , please file an issue 18:31:53 jcraig: An "it would be nice to have this" in the intro document request 18:32:07 jn: this would be best from recent joiners 18:32:25 jn: we want as many people to be involved as possible 18:33:03 Jemma: In the beginning this group can be a little intimidating. Please feel free to reach out 18:33:25 MK: The notion of mentorship is really a pretty good idea. Maybe we do topic specific mentorship. 18:33:42 MK: There might be things where you get mentored from multiple things in the group. 18:34:17 JN: A buddy system when they join would be a good idea 18:35:35 PR https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1409 is now ready to merge with the changes we just discussed. 18:35:35 CurtBellew: An email group or some other way to ask questions related to processes etc 18:35:44 JN: There is an unofficial Slack channel 18:36:16 Jemma: Can we have a wiki document. I think people might be worried about sending an email to the entire group. 18:36:49 JN: Slack would be a great place to find answers to process questions. So that could help 18:37:26 Jemma: Can we have a page on how to do the basics in github with respect to ARIA? 18:37:45 JN: There are great guides on github 18:37:57 Jemma: this would be more about our repository and our specific procedures 18:38:42 zakim, next item 18:38:42 agendum 5 -- Updated aria-setsize and aria-posinset to clarify usage for authors -- taken up [from agendabot] 18:38:54 JN: waiting on malanie so we can skip this one 18:39:03 zakim, close this item 18:39:03 agendum 5 closed 18:39:04 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 18:39:04 6. 1.2 Status [from agendabot] 18:39:09 zakim, next item 18:39:09 agendum 6 -- 1.2 Status -- taken up [from agendabot] 18:39:10 MarkMcCarthy has joined #aria 18:39:15 present+ 18:39:36 Harris: I've posted a comment in the previous issue wrt onboarding. 18:39:56 Jory has joined #aria 18:40:38 ifran: do we have any of the quick keys documented 18:41:07 JN: Michael, where are we? 18:41:36 Michaelc: The doc was supposed to be published on Tuesday but ran in to issues. Fixed those and tried again today and had more issues. Monday 18:41:51 JN: is there a way to try to resolve the issues today rather than waiting until Monday? 18:42:01 Michaelc: It's on my todo list 18:42:12 JN: let me know if I can help 18:42:29 JN: no virtual celebration for 1.2 release. soon 18:42:48 JN: hopefully next week we will have 1.2 candidate out the door 18:43:00 zakim, next item 18:43:00 agendum 7 -- 1.3 planning - focus areas?? -- taken up [from agendabot] 18:43:15 JN: This may morph in to the deep dive topic for next week 18:43:28 JN: we planned to have our first working draft out by now - 1.3 18:43:55 JN: We are running out of time to get features in to 1.3. We already have a lot of braille support and annotation support. We don't want to hold those up for a long time 18:44:26 JN: so we don't want to put a lot more in. So propose we have a small focus area that we put a lot of work in to so that we can call 1.3 done and move on 18:44:50 q+ 18:44:50 JN: An ARIA where I believe we need a lot of work is live regions 18:45:02 ack me 18:45:21 +1 to working on live regions 18:45:23 jcraig: acknowledge that live regions have a lot of areas to delve in to 18:45:33 jcraig: anything in particular? 18:45:52 JN: We have a lot of issues. The fact that they're read once and then done etc 18:46:26 JN: problems of using a part of the page for notification type messages 18:47:04 MK: If you're thinking one to two month timeline then this is probably better for 1.4 18:47:17 MK: I'd like to get out 1.3 as soon as possible 18:48:11 MK: could we focus on aria-invalid as a compliement to annotations rather than live regions 18:48:23 JN: that does seem more like a bug fix that a focus area. 18:48:46 MK: agree, it just feels like it would be great to get 1.3 shipped sooner than later and the live region topic is a really big one 18:48:58 MK: lining up the browser support is a big topic 18:49:20 jcraig: would be AT support too. 18:49:46 jcraig: We would need to decide everything we need to get in to webkit before May which seems like it's not quite enough time to get it out this year 18:50:01 jcraig: Live regions do seem like a 1.4 things 18:50:32 JN: So no major focus area for 1.3 so we can get the release out sooner 18:50:56 carmacleod: what about value-text? 18:51:09 MK: value-text and aria-invalid would be good 18:51:37 JN: what if we take the ARIA call for next week and make it a 2 hour call to look through issues 18:51:46 JN: Things that you would like to work on 18:51:52 MK: use the deep dive time? 18:52:00 JN: yes , that's my proposal 18:52:01 q+ 18:52:10 JN: to get some firm plans for 1.3 18:52:51 q+ 18:52:57 JN: The proposed meeting would start at 9am Pacific on the 4th of March 18:53:12 Jemma: Which issues should we be looking at? 18:53:22 MK: propose we focus on the ones that have been triaged for 1.3 18:53:52 JN: I'd agree with that unless someone has something they really want to work on and will do the work themselves 18:54:20 jcraig: how would the new attendees prepare? 18:54:44 MK: send out an email with the list of issues. Make a URL for that. Would be a guide to open issues 18:55:07 jcraig: a link is one thing but a nice quick walk through would be benificial 18:55:33 Tammy: would be nice to get that. Would be nice to shadow somebody. So we get an idea of what is the correct process 18:55:57 https://github.com/w3c/aria/labels/ARIA%201.3 18:56:14 JN: good idea. I don't want to volunteer anyone. One thing is that we are all doing the work in small slices during our days. 18:56:16 this is the label with aria 1.3 in github 18:56:30 https://github.com/w3c/aria/labels/ARIA%201.3 18:56:31 JN: Tammy, I could do a short call with you to walk through some things though 18:57:04 jcraig: I could hang around on this call to do a quick walk through of the milestones and the pull request process. 18:57:24 CurtBellew: can I be in that call? 18:57:37 jcraig: sounds great. 18:58:04 JN: let's wrap this up. next week plan on a longer meeting 18:58:26 rrsagent, make minutes 18:58:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/25-aria-minutes.html Irfan 18:58:32 zakim, who is here? 18:58:32 Present: pkra, Joanmarie_Diggs, Scott_O, Irfan, harris, CurtBellew, StefanS, carmacleod, MarkMcCarthy 18:58:35 On IRC I see Jory, MarkMcCarthy, carmacleod, Matt_King, StefanS, CurtBellew, harris, Irfan, pkra, RRSAgent, Zakim, jamesn, Scott_O, Jemma, tzviya, github-bot, MichaelC, agendabot, 18:58:35 ... 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