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13:54:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:54:22 <trackbot> Date: 24 February 2021
13:54:26 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:54:29 <jasonjgw> present+
13:54:31 <jasonjgw> agenda+        Conversational agent accessibility  continuation of discussion.
13:54:31 <jasonjgw> agenda+        RAUR and XAUR  any updates.
13:54:31 <jasonjgw> agenda+        W3C Workshop on Wide Color Gamut and High Dynamic Range for the Web (continued).
13:54:34 <jasonjgw> agenda+        Continuing research on media synchronization.
13:54:37 <jasonjgw> agenda+        Miscellaneous updates and topics relevant to Task Force work.
13:54:47 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
13:54:47 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
13:54:47 <Zakim> 1. Conversational agent accessibility  continuation of discussion. [from jasonjgw]
13:54:47 <Zakim> 2. RAUR and XAUR  any updates. [from jasonjgw]
13:54:48 <Zakim> 3. W3C Workshop on Wide Color Gamut and High Dynamic Range for the Web (continued). [from jasonjgw]
13:54:48 <Zakim> 4. Continuing research on media synchronization. [from jasonjgw]
13:54:48 <Zakim> 5. Miscellaneous updates and topics relevant to Task Force work. [from jasonjgw]
13:54:54 <janina> present+
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13:59:37 <joconnor> present+
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14:01:53 <SteveNoble> present+
14:02:22 <scott_h> present+
14:02:43 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:02:43 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Conversational agent accessibility  continuation of discussion. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:02:59 <SteveNoble> scribe: SteveNoble
14:04:06 <JPaton> present+
14:04:48 <jasonjgw> zakim, take up item 2
14:04:48 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- RAUR and XAUR  any updates. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:05:56 <SteveNoble> Josh: worked on acknowledgements
14:06:22 <joconnor> http://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/2021-jan-raur/raur/index.html#call-participants-and-status
14:06:56 <SteveNoble> Josh: was looking at new user need to mention the participants on teh call and their status
14:07:38 <SteveNoble> Josh: 14b participant metadata added - comments?
14:08:19 <SteveNoble> Janina: looks good
14:09:34 <SteveNoble> Josh: this can be merged into main
14:10:53 <SteveNoble> Jason: put out as a wide review draft to gather any final comments before publishing a final note
14:11:40 <SteveNoble> Jason: XAUR is also heading toward a wide-review draft
14:12:37 <SteveNoble> Josh: should be good to go on his end
14:14:09 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:14:09 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Conversational agent accessibility  continuation of discussion. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:14:23 <jasonjgw> zakim, take up item 3
14:14:23 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- W3C Workshop on Wide Color Gamut and High Dynamic Range for the Web (continued). -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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14:15:47 <SteveNoble> Jason: potential RQTF contribution?
14:16:38 <SteveNoble> Janina: looking for potential presenters on this topic
14:17:33 <SteveNoble> Jason: other ways of participating?
14:18:57 <SteveNoble> Janina: may simply attend the workshop
14:22:42 <SteveNoble> Session speakers and schedule won't be known until March 30
14:23:58 <SteveNoble> Janina: will be hard to recruit attendees without this information
14:26:38 <SteveNoble> Josh: what are the accessibility angles and gaps?
14:27:16 <SteveNoble> Janina: issues around color perception; automated techniques to adjust color spectrum
14:28:15 <SteveNoble> Judy: what about video and dynamic images?
14:29:54 <SteveNoble> Judy: flash aversion is an area, since it can be color-based
14:33:14 <SteveNoble> Jason: will take this topic to an APA meeting to solicit attendance
14:34:17 <jasonjgw> zakim, take up item 4
14:34:18 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Continuing research on media synchronization. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:34:55 <joconnor> SN: Jason created the page and put issues at the top
14:35:10 <joconnor> Covered the degree of separation between sources
14:35:20 <jasonjgw> Steve: has updated the wiki page. The lip reading audio/video synchronization use case is now well documented.
14:36:15 <jasonjgw> Captions in live media present synchronization issues - including the possibility of summarizing the dialogue.
14:36:27 <jasonjgw> Steve hasn't yet investigated synchronization issues with sign language interpretation.
14:37:04 <Judy> s/flash aversion/flash mitigation/
14:37:08 <jasonjgw> Steve: synchronized highlighting would be another issue to investigate - also documented on the wiki page.
14:37:33 <jasonjgw> Steve suspects there may be limited research on this last point.
14:38:38 <jasonjgw> Janina notes that synchronized highlighting reltes to a specific kind of AT and likely wouldn't result in requirements for timed text.
14:41:54 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/community/immersive-captions/
14:42:51 <jasonjgw> zakim, take up item 1
14:42:51 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Conversational agent accessibility  continuation of discussion. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:43:37 <SteveNoble> Jason: has done some searching for a definition, but nothing so far
14:45:44 <SteveNoble> Josh: some connections are smart agents, natural language, and how to frame user issues
14:46:20 <SteveNoble> Josh: we could call it "smart agents" and then connect voice, speech and whatever else
14:47:42 <SteveNoble> Josh: open to other ideas, but cognizant of not wanting to get into Internet of Things
14:49:01 <SteveNoble> Janina: what to call it? The wider industry may influence this
14:49:15 <Judy> q+
14:49:33 <joconnor> JS: Smart seems to be a marketing terms, conversation describes a process,Voice is more accurate for one part - but however you engage is variable
14:49:36 <SteveNoble> Janina: but conversation is the paradigm
14:50:17 <SteveNoble> Judy: good to have a term that emphasized the functional aspect
14:50:34 <SteveNoble> Judy: conversation is closer to that
14:50:46 <joconnor> q+ to ask why conversation is a good term vs voice?
14:51:05 <joconnor> ack jud
14:51:48 <joconnor> ack me
14:51:48 <Zakim> joconnor, you wanted to ask why conversation is a good term vs voice?
14:52:00 <SteveNoble> Janina: Google assistant considers input as a conversational thread
14:52:06 <JPaton> q+
14:52:24 <Judy> q+
14:52:35 <SteveNoble> Josh: Conversation sounds a bit like speech or voice
14:54:12 <joconnor> s/Conversation sounds a bit like speech or voice/I don't understand the preference for the term conversation over voice, particularily as Voice captures the zietgeist
14:54:26 <SteveNoble> JPaton: Voice agents are the standard for digital assistants at the moment
14:54:35 <JPaton> ack me
14:54:59 <janina> +1 to Judy's parsing
14:55:12 <SteveNoble> judy: Voice is a modality, like text is another one
14:55:46 <SteveNoble> Judy: Not sure that the agents can handle true "conversations"
14:56:19 <joconnor> q?
14:56:23 <joconnor> ack jud
14:56:25 <joconnor> q+
14:56:33 <SteveNoble> Judy: need to capture the deeper issues
14:56:44 <joconnor> ack me
14:57:46 <SteveNoble> Josh: Broader framework is needed beyond modalities, the service behind it
14:58:43 <SteveNoble> Josh: We need to look at a modality-independent way of framing it
14:59:06 <joconnor> q+ to tease out this use of Smart
14:59:26 <janina> q+
14:59:40 <SteveNoble> Jason: Modality connection needs to be nonexclusive
15:00:56 <joconnor> ack me
15:00:56 <Zakim> joconnor, you wanted to tease out this use of Smart
15:01:02 <SteveNoble> Jason: will look for live examples that are publicly available
15:01:23 <Judy> ack ja
15:01:45 <SteveNoble> Josh: understand the problem with "smart" as a current marketing term
15:01:48 <JPaton> q+
15:02:52 <SteveNoble> Janina: to what degree can the current digital assistants be open to multiple modalities
15:03:36 <SteveNoble> JPaton: The example of a chat-bot on the web; they also ask as a conversational assistant
15:03:50 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
15:03:50 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, joconnor, SteveNoble, scott_h, JPaton
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