IRC log of wot-uc on 2021-02-23
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- chair: Lagally
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Philipp_Blum
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- present+ Philip_Tran, Michael_McCool
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- present+ Rob_Smith
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- Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_UseCase_WebConf#Agenda_23.2.
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- present+ Christine_Perey
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- present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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- scribenick: kaz
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- topic: Prev minutes
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2021/02/09-wot-uc-minutes.html Feb-9
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- ml: (goes through the minutes
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- s/minutes/minutes)/
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- ml: any objections?
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- (none)
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- approved
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- topic: Liaisons
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- ml: OPC-UA, etc.
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- q+
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- ... how to proceed?
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/charters/wot-ocpua-2021-charter-draft.md OPC UA cooperation proposal
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- ml: wondering about this "purpose"
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- [[
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- The purpose is the development of an OPC UA Binding for the W3C Web of Things through an OPC UA Companion specification and mirrored as a W3C Recommendation/Note(?) document.
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- ]]
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- mm: this is a propose Charter for the OPC UA side, I thought
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- kaz: also think we need to update the description
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- ... we had discussion during the TD call as well
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- ... we should concentrate on simple liaison on datamodel definition for binding and ontology reference for TD, etc.
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- ml: who would improve this?
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- kaz: we should ask Sebastian
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- mm: yeah, we should leave this to Sebastian
- 13:17:03 [kaz]
- ... if we have something normative on the W3C side, we need to think about that
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- s/that/how to handle that/
- 13:17:42 [kaz]
- ... note that we can't change our own WoT Charter for the current period
- 13:18:09 [kaz]
- (some more discussion)
- 13:18:47 [kaz]
- ml: yeah, I agree we need to identify clear plan
- 13:19:00 [kaz]
- ... we should discuss this with Sebastian
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- ... next Linked Building Data CG
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- kaz: this is also handled mainly by Sebastian :)
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- mm: yeah, need to follow it up with him
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- ... interested in geological information inside buildings
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- ml: do we expect some more additional input?
- 13:20:56 [kaz]
- mm: use case description, you mean?
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- ... we're talking about geolocation information model, etc., already
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- ... e.g., for smart buildings
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- present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
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- (Sebastian joins)
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- ml: (asks Sebastian about the OPC UA topic)
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- ... maybe you can give some comments on your plan?
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- ... how/who would create the target document mentioned here?
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- mm: someone needs to take the lead
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- sk: originally expecting a joint group but we had some discussion during the TD call
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- ... about the expected collaboration
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- ... the idea should be more OPC UA's taking lead for their work
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- ... and we can follow their work
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- ... we expect to hold a dedicated call on further discussion related to liaison
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- q?
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- ml: think we should review their specs, etc.
- 13:27:36 [kaz]
- sk: my question is who would be actively working on the collaboration
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- kaz: I'll create a doodle poll for further discussion quickly
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- ml: ok. let's move on then
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- ... next ITU-T SG 20
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- ... unfortunately, not available today
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- ... plan to have a follow-up discussion during the vF2F in March
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- ... the topic is gaps and next steps based our summary
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/master/CONTRIBUTIONS/ITU-T-Use-case-summary.md ITU-T use case summary
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- mm: agree
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- ml: btw, regarding the Linked Building Data CG
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- ... any plan to create use case descriptions?
- 13:31:25 [kaz]
- ... would like to publish the first draft of the WoT Use Cases within a few weeks
- 13:32:11 [kaz]
- sk: unfortunately, not able to join the use cases call for a while
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- ... so not really sure about the plan
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- ml: we had a joint call with them
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- sk: will ping the CG guys
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- ml: great
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- q?
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- ack k
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- kaz: have been talking with the ECHONET guys
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- ... will talk with them again on March 5
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- ... will get back to you all
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- ... possibly could have input for future use cases
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- topic: MR 97 - add edge-computing.md into index.html
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/97 MR 97
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- ml: would merge this
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- (merged)
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- topic: MR 86 - Update Smartcity Dashboard UC
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/86 MR 86
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- pt: added comments
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/86#pullrequestreview-595141626 Philip Tran's comments
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- ml: can make these changes
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- mm: updates with missing references as well
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- -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-usecases/86/20a5eb5...mmccool:89774c2.html diff
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- pt: what kind of references?
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- mm: existing standards, etc.
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- ... e.g., OGC's work
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- ml: why don't we merge this and McCool can make editorial changes
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- mm: ok
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- (merged)
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- topic: MR 94 - Focus AR/VR Guide use case on AR
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- ml: work on AR/VR originally proposed by Rob and Kaz
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- ... updated by McCool
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- mm: would suggest we merge this
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- cp: the use case is actually AR guide. right?
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- mm: VR might not require geolocation information though AR does
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- ... that's why focus on AR here
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- cp: ok
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- ml: (goes through Rob's comments)
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- q+
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/94#pullrequestreview-586653088 Rob's comments
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- rs: there is a guidance on responsible use case of spatial data by the SDW IG
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- -> https://w3c.github.io/sdw/responsible-use/ The Responsible Use of Spatial Data
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- rs: related security/privacy issues as well
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- mm: will look at it
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- rs: tx
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- ml: would make sense to extend the security/privacy section?
- 13:46:24 [kaz]
- mm: that's my plan :)
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- rs: great
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- ml: can we merge this MR itself and then work on the comments?
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- mm: that's fine
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- ka: I'm OK too
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- (merged)
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- topic: MR 90 - Joint activity for a standardized OPC UA Binding
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/90 MR 90
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- sk: this is the main README but not sure if it's still relevant
- 13:48:58 [kaz]
- ... should have the discussion during the separate call
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- ml: OK to keep it open then?
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- sk: ok
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- https://github.com/w3c-lbd-cg/wot-usecases/blob/feature_UpdateWithBim/USE-CASES/W3C-LBD-CG.md
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- i/https/topic: Linked Building Data CG (revisited)/
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- https://github.com/w3c-lbd-cg/wot-usecases/blob/feature_UpdateWithBim/USE-CASES/W3C-LBD-CG.md
- 13:50:03 [kaz]
- sk: got response from the Linked Building guys
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- ... they're working on a use case description
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- ml: great
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- topic: WG Note planning
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- ml: basic timeline
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- [[
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- - consolidated draft in next call
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- - two week's review
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- - publication approval in vF2F
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- ]]
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- q+
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- ack s
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- -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-usecases/ Use Cases draft
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- ml: wondering about if we could have dedicated contributions from the co-Editors
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- mm: we'll have the PlugFest next week
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- ... should prioritize the work items
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- ... how to bring it to the vF2F?
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- ml: would have email discussion
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- q?
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- kaz: given the tight schedule, would suggest we make the TF resolution today instead of the next UC call in 2 weeks
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- ... and bring the draft to the main call tomorrow on Feb 24
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- ... we can add some note mentioning there might be some minor changes
- 13:58:16 [Mizushima]
- +1
- 13:58:21 [kaz]
- ml: asking the whole group for review asap is good
- 13:59:41 [kaz]
- ... but would like to confirm the draft is ready during the next call in 2 weeks
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- mm: we need to think about when to have use case discussion during the vF2F
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- ml: ok
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- let's talk about that during the main call tomorrow
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- [adjourned]
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