IRC log of wot-uc on 2021-02-23

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chair: Lagally
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Philipp_Blum
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present+ Philip_Tran, Michael_McCool
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present+ Rob_Smith
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Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_UseCase_WebConf#Agenda_23.2.
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present+ Christine_Perey
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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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scribenick: kaz
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topic: Prev minutes
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-> https://www.w3.org/2021/02/09-wot-uc-minutes.html Feb-9
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ml: (goes through the minutes
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s/minutes/minutes)/
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ml: any objections?
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(none)
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approved
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topic: Liaisons
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ml: OPC-UA, etc.
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q+
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... how to proceed?
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/charters/wot-ocpua-2021-charter-draft.md OPC UA cooperation proposal
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ml: wondering about this "purpose"
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[[
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The purpose is the development of an OPC UA Binding for the W3C Web of Things through an OPC UA Companion specification and mirrored as a W3C Recommendation/Note(?) document.
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]]
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mm: this is a propose Charter for the OPC UA side, I thought
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kaz: also think we need to update the description
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... we had discussion during the TD call as well
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... we should concentrate on simple liaison on datamodel definition for binding and ontology reference for TD, etc.
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ml: who would improve this?
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kaz: we should ask Sebastian
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mm: yeah, we should leave this to Sebastian
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... if we have something normative on the W3C side, we need to think about that
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s/that/how to handle that/
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... note that we can't change our own WoT Charter for the current period
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(some more discussion)
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ml: yeah, I agree we need to identify clear plan
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... we should discuss this with Sebastian
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... next Linked Building Data CG
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kaz: this is also handled mainly by Sebastian :)
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mm: yeah, need to follow it up with him
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... interested in geological information inside buildings
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ml: do we expect some more additional input?
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mm: use case description, you mean?
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... we're talking about geolocation information model, etc., already
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... e.g., for smart buildings
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present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
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(Sebastian joins)
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ml: (asks Sebastian about the OPC UA topic)
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... maybe you can give some comments on your plan?
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... how/who would create the target document mentioned here?
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mm: someone needs to take the lead
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sk: originally expecting a joint group but we had some discussion during the TD call
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... about the expected collaboration
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... the idea should be more OPC UA's taking lead for their work
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... and we can follow their work
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... we expect to hold a dedicated call on further discussion related to liaison
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q?
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ml: think we should review their specs, etc.
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sk: my question is who would be actively working on the collaboration
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kaz: I'll create a doodle poll for further discussion quickly
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ml: ok. let's move on then
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... next ITU-T SG 20
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... unfortunately, not available today
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... plan to have a follow-up discussion during the vF2F in March
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... the topic is gaps and next steps based our summary
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/master/CONTRIBUTIONS/ITU-T-Use-case-summary.md ITU-T use case summary
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mm: agree
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ml: btw, regarding the Linked Building Data CG
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... any plan to create use case descriptions?
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... would like to publish the first draft of the WoT Use Cases within a few weeks
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sk: unfortunately, not able to join the use cases call for a while
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... so not really sure about the plan
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ml: we had a joint call with them
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sk: will ping the CG guys
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ml: great
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q?
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ack k
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kaz: have been talking with the ECHONET guys
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... will talk with them again on March 5
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... will get back to you all
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... possibly could have input for future use cases
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topic: MR 97 - add edge-computing.md into index.html
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/97 MR 97
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ml: would merge this
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(merged)
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topic: MR 86 - Update Smartcity Dashboard UC
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/86 MR 86
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pt: added comments
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/86#pullrequestreview-595141626 Philip Tran's comments
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ml: can make these changes
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mm: updates with missing references as well
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-> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-usecases/86/20a5eb5...mmccool:89774c2.html diff
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pt: what kind of references?
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mm: existing standards, etc.
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... e.g., OGC's work
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ml: why don't we merge this and McCool can make editorial changes
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mm: ok
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(merged)
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topic: MR 94 - Focus AR/VR Guide use case on AR
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ml: work on AR/VR originally proposed by Rob and Kaz
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... updated by McCool
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mm: would suggest we merge this
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cp: the use case is actually AR guide. right?
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mm: VR might not require geolocation information though AR does
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... that's why focus on AR here
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cp: ok
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ml: (goes through Rob's comments)
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q+
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/94#pullrequestreview-586653088 Rob's comments
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rs: there is a guidance on responsible use case of spatial data by the SDW IG
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-> https://w3c.github.io/sdw/responsible-use/ The Responsible Use of Spatial Data
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rs: related security/privacy issues as well
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mm: will look at it
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rs: tx
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ml: would make sense to extend the security/privacy section?
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mm: that's my plan :)
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rs: great
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ml: can we merge this MR itself and then work on the comments?
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mm: that's fine
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ka: I'm OK too
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(merged)
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topic: MR 90 - Joint activity for a standardized OPC UA Binding
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/90 MR 90
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sk: this is the main README but not sure if it's still relevant
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... should have the discussion during the separate call
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ml: OK to keep it open then?
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sk: ok
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https://github.com/w3c-lbd-cg/wot-usecases/blob/feature_UpdateWithBim/USE-CASES/W3C-LBD-CG.md
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i/https/topic: Linked Building Data CG (revisited)/
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https://github.com/w3c-lbd-cg/wot-usecases/blob/feature_UpdateWithBim/USE-CASES/W3C-LBD-CG.md
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sk: got response from the Linked Building guys
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... they're working on a use case description
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ml: great
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topic: WG Note planning
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ml: basic timeline
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[[
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- consolidated draft in next call
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- two week's review
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- publication approval in vF2F
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]]
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q+
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ack s
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-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-usecases/ Use Cases draft
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ml: wondering about if we could have dedicated contributions from the co-Editors
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mm: we'll have the PlugFest next week
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... should prioritize the work items
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... how to bring it to the vF2F?
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ml: would have email discussion
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q?
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kaz: given the tight schedule, would suggest we make the TF resolution today instead of the next UC call in 2 weeks
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... and bring the draft to the main call tomorrow on Feb 24
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... we can add some note mentioning there might be some minor changes
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+1
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ml: asking the whole group for review asap is good
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... but would like to confirm the draft is ready during the next call in 2 weeks
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mm: we need to think about when to have use case discussion during the vF2F
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ml: ok
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let's talk about that during the main call tomorrow
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[adjourned]
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