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12:01:18 <kaz> Meeting: WoT Marketing
12:01:42 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Philipp_Blum, Sebastian_Kaebisch
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12:03:57 <koalie> Apologies for the late notice, but my regrets for today's meeting. I shared my update in GH https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/118#issuecomment-784107550
12:04:03 <koalie> regrets+ Coralie
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12:05:27 <McCool> scribenick: McCool
12:05:43 <McCool> topic: Coralie, regrets
12:05:46 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:05:51 <McCool> topic: minutes
12:06:11 <kaz> q+
12:06:32 <McCool> https://www.w3.org/2021/02/16-wot-marketing-minutes.html
12:06:45 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:06:45 <McCool> coralie, yes, we would like to discuss some things
12:06:54 <koalie> ok
12:07:29 <koalie> present+ Coralie
12:07:42 <kaz> regrets- Coralie
12:08:02 <McCool> kaz: animation video captioning in the agenda?
12:08:07 <McCool> seb: yes, one of the issues
12:08:44 <McCool> topic: minutes
12:08:45 <kaz> ack k
12:08:58 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/02/16-wot-marketing-minutes.html Feb-16
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12:10:27 <McCool> seb: animation, captions, hosting of video, pr about video thumbnail, documentation page updates, action to look at all issues related to web pages (will cover today)
12:11:35 <McCool> seb: any objections to publish?
12:11:41 <McCool> ... no, to be published
12:12:09 <McCool> topic: project on github for IoT projects
12:12:22 <McCool> seb: interesting project, high ranked, would be good to list WoT
12:12:36 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:12:45 <McCool> ... daniel to provide a PR; just a link, but which URI should be use?
12:12:48 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:12:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:12:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/23-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
12:12:53 <McCool> ... should we wait for the new web site?
12:13:03 <McCool> seb: probably we should wait
12:13:20 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/WoT/
12:13:54 <McCool> seb: this will be the new main web page, end of this week, most likely
12:14:03 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
12:14:44 <kaz> s|WoT/|WoT/ URL for the WoT Welcome page (currently used for the WoT Landing page)|
12:15:52 <koalie> https://validator.w3.org/checklink?url=https://www.w3.org/WoT/
12:15:57 <McCool> also, is there a tool to check web pages?
12:16:05 <McCool> kaz: yes, there is a tool, link checker
12:16:16 <McCool> dape: do you want to check that
12:16:18 <koalie> -> https://validator.w3.org/checklink W3C Link Checker
12:17:05 <kaz> kaz: please go ahead and check it :)
12:17:06 <koalie> [also the ",checklink" suffix on any w3.org URL that is public, is a useful tool]
12:17:29 <McCool> after fixing the english, will merge the PR directly and send daniel an email so he can do the HTML check
12:17:44 <McCool> kaz: also ran the spell checker and fixed some typos in the captions
12:17:58 <McCool> seb: but there is still the question about where to host the video?
12:18:44 <McCool> kaz: don't think that is an open question, should be on W3C
12:19:05 <McCool> mm: my question was not about hosting, but where to archive it
12:19:46 <koalie> I believe it's stored. Unless you plug a player in which case that depends on the player.
12:19:55 <koalie> q+
12:19:58 <McCool> ... does the W3C video server
12:20:14 <McCool> ... downscale?
12:20:36 <McCool> koalie: no extra compression when the video is archived in W3C site
12:21:03 <McCool> ... but when we plug in a player, ie. YouTube, then there may be some additional conversion for that
12:21:38 <McCool> kaz: question is whether we need to have a backup video on W3C side or not
12:22:18 <koalie> s/but when we plug/but if we plug/
12:22:33 <koalie> s/for that/for that, but my preference is that it be played ONLY from youtube/
12:22:47 <McCool> mm: uploading to YouTube is not good for archival, since reencodes, so just need a place to store the original
12:23:03 <McCool> kaz: please talk directly with Dom about this
12:24:20 <McCool> koalie: not a problem to do the archive, but note that it will be *playable* only from YouTube
12:24:57 <McCool> seb: kaz, I can't do the upload, you need to
12:26:11 <McCool> kaz: also need to check that the captions are ok
12:26:51 <McCool> mm: can you share a link to the captions?
12:27:07 <kaz> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2021Feb/att-0005/WOTMotion.vtt modified caption VTT file
12:29:51 <McCool> mm: let's rename this to include the language, put in github (wot-marketing) somewhere, clean up the english version, then ask for volunteers to do translations
12:29:55 <citrullin> @cris https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2734698?hl=en#zippy= Youtube supports a lot of formats
12:30:08 <McCool> ... and I think we have native speakers for German, Italian, French, and Japanese, at least
12:30:48 <McCool> ... let's use github to manage the captions and translations; can't store video file, but captions are just a text file
12:31:07 <cris> @citrullin cool so vtt is supported
12:31:14 <McCool> seb: I can't find the email thread with dom
12:31:30 <koalie> [note: Dom is off this week, as stated before. He may be called, he said. He'll be back at work on March 1]
12:31:31 <McCool> kaz: ok, let me find it and make sure are on it and resend
12:32:08 <citrullin> @cris yes, not the prefered format, but it is supported. If it doesn't work properly, we can still deal with it.
12:32:32 <kaz> s/please talk directly with Dom about this/I thought I asked you to mention our requests directly on the email thread with Dom ad Coralie, but I'll proceed with the discussion./
12:33:31 <McCool> mm: let's just get everything ready and Dom can hopefully quickly do the launch setup on Monday
12:33:40 <McCool> topic: update document page with links
12:35:36 <McCool> mm: I think we should update the explainer as well; let's create an issue about it
12:37:09 <McCool> ... also instead of linking directly to videos, tutorials, etc. from that page, let's link to other pages which organize each class of material
12:37:15 <McCool> ... to avoid redundancy
12:37:29 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/126
12:37:48 <McCool> dape: is also an outstanding PR to add a video subpage
12:38:04 <McCool> seb: only small comment about video page
12:39:32 <McCool> mm: I can change "Links" to "Further Reading" when I do my fix-up pass
12:39:45 <McCool> seb: ok, then in the meantime will merge PR
12:40:19 <McCool> topic: WoT Video Page
12:40:41 <McCool> seb: would like area (page) that collect all the videos and organize them
12:40:58 <McCool> ... and daniel you also provided a PR for this?
12:41:27 <kaz> i|ok, then|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/122 PR 122 - Pr 120 followup|
12:41:41 <McCool> ... created just a subpage, but probably need to track down some additional videos
12:42:02 <McCool> ... e.g. the one by Jeff Jaffe, Lemonbeat, workshop by Siemens, etc.
12:44:19 <McCool> mm: coralie, are we ok with embedding videos directly in pages?  Any privacy issues?
12:44:48 <McCool> pb: problem with embedding is that resources from twitter, etc. are loaded when the page is loaded?
12:45:03 <cris> +1
12:45:37 <McCool> dape: easy to just put in a thumbnail, and have it open a new page when clicked
12:46:06 <McCool> pb: forcing the user to load third-party code is the problem, i.e. direct embedding
12:46:37 <McCool> ... so just visiting the page means sending info to twitter, youtube, etc. just by visiting the page
12:48:08 <McCool> dape: video thumbnails are easy, but for twitter not so easy; can add link to visit twitter
12:49:43 <McCool> mm: suggest that for now we just use a link, and take out the news feed embedding; later we can figure out a way to scrape twitter to get the latest news without forcing loading of twitter resources
12:50:59 <McCool> seb: ok, well, let's merge the current PR, then create an issue to cleanup the twitter embedding
12:51:27 <McCool> ... for now the twitter cleanup can just be a link
12:51:58 <McCool> dape: will cleanup by doing a screenshot for now
12:52:07 <McCool> ... that way the layout does not get messed up
12:53:07 <McCool> topic: how to handle the WoT-JP CG
12:53:30 <McCool> seb: I thought there was a PR for this, but is seems is not the case
12:53:45 <McCool> ... kaz, don't have anything from your side
12:54:01 <McCool> ... but assume we will put it on the "Community Group" page
12:54:27 <McCool> mm: kaz, will you do a PR to add content to this page?
12:54:45 <McCool> kaz: yes, working with Toumura-san, Mizushima-san
12:55:41 <McCool> mm: can be very simple, just a short description and a link
12:56:15 <McCool> ... and put a section at the bottom of the current page, rather than another page
12:56:44 <McCool> s/is seems/it seems/
12:58:17 <McCool> topic: new WoT page needs to be upward-compatible
12:58:26 <McCool> dape: missing testing info right now
12:58:54 <McCool> seb: kaz you check the current status and see if it's ok
12:59:20 <McCool> ... we also don't have to be complete at launch; we can add extra material later
12:59:56 <McCool> kaz: my point also; let's just create a checklist
13:00:46 <McCool> mm: for launch, let's let Dom get it up, then we can announce it
13:01:10 <McCool> koalie: will also need a signal when you are ready
13:01:20 <McCool> seb: ok, will aim for that this Friday
13:01:29 <McCool> dape: might be tricky to do this Friday
13:02:10 <McCool> mm: I would be ok with a short meeting on Friday to do a final check and make the decision to launch
13:02:30 <McCool> adjourn
13:02:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:02:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/23-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
13:02:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:02:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/23-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
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