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13:41:20 <Zakim> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
13:41:28 <jeanne> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
13:41:28 <jeanne> present:
13:41:28 <jeanne> chair: Shawn, jeanne
13:41:28 <jeanne> present+
13:41:29 <jeanne> zakim, clear agenda
13:41:29 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
13:41:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/23-silver-minutes.html jeanne
13:41:29 <jeanne> q?
13:41:29 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:42:44 <jeanne> agenda+ Responding to Github Issues by group consensus
13:45:02 <jeanne> agenda+ Weekly Issues report
13:45:02 <jeanne> agenda+ report from Makoto presentation on WCAG3
13:45:02 <jeanne> agenda+ continue discussion of Bronze, Silver, Gold options
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14:21:39 <jeanne> regrets+ Charles
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14:27:56 <Chuck> agenda?
14:28:08 <Lauriat> Present+
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14:28:26 <JF> agenda?
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14:29:38 <Chuck> for demonstration....
14:29:39 <Chuck> q+
14:29:42 <Chuck> ack Ch
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14:33:58 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
14:33:58 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Responding to Github Issues by group consensus -- taken up [from jeanne]
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14:34:28 <laura> present+ Laura_Carlson
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14:35:35 <sajkaj> q+ to clarify process
14:35:46 <Fazio> Jeaanne: only editors, and subgroup leaders should respond to WCAG 3Github issues to give group responses. Be gracious
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14:36:23 <Jemma> present+
14:36:45 <Jemma> agenda?
14:36:56 <Wilco> q+
14:37:12 <Chuck> ack saj
14:37:12 <Zakim> sajkaj, you wanted to clarify process
14:37:33 <Chuck> q+
14:37:36 <Chuck> ack Wil
14:37:37 <JF> Q+
14:38:01 <Fazio> Jeanne: comments should havee group consensus
14:38:15 <Makoto> present+
14:38:27 <Fazio> Jeanne: avoid offending commenters to encourage more feedback
14:39:22 <Rachael> q+
14:39:26 <Chuck> ack Ch
14:39:28 <jeanne> ack chuc
14:39:42 <Fazio> Chuck: some comments don't reflect appropriate W3C image
14:40:21 <Chuck> ack JF
14:40:48 <Rachael> ack Rachael
14:40:50 <Chuck> ack Rach
14:41:00 <Chuck> q+
14:41:05 <Wilco> q+
14:41:14 <Fazio> JF: how do we coordinate group responses outside Github?
14:41:43 <MichaelC> q+
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14:42:22 <jeanne> ack chuck
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14:42:41 <Fazio> Jeanne: individual responses should be clearly stated as an individual opinion
14:42:46 <KimD> Present+
14:43:03 <Fazio> q+
14:43:08 <jeanne> ack Wilc
14:43:43 <Fazio> Wilco:identify official responses for clarification
14:43:45 <sajkaj> q+
14:43:49 <JF> +1 to Wilco
14:44:03 <jeanne> ack Mich
14:44:07 <JustineP> +1 to Wilco as well
14:44:22 <Fazio> Michael: don't discourage commenting in Github
14:44:33 <Wilco> +1 good process
14:44:42 <MichaelC> ack me
14:44:46 <JF> +1 to Michael
14:44:50 <jeanne> ack Faz
14:44:59 <Chuck> q+
14:45:16 <jeanne> ack saj
14:45:46 <Fazio> q+
14:45:52 <jeanne> ack chuc
14:46:50 <Chuck> ack Ch
14:46:51 <jeanne> ack faz
14:47:39 <kirkwood> present+
14:48:15 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
14:48:15 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Weekly Issues report -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:48:19 <Wilco> present+
14:48:21 <SuzanneTaylor> +1 on including link to subgroup
14:48:30 <SuzanneTaylor> present+
14:48:46 <jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Issue_Processing_Report
14:48:49 <Fazio> DF: Put in note on Github explaining official responses will be stated as such
14:49:17 <Fazio> 75 open issues, 11 closed, 3 email, 43 triageed
14:49:27 <Fazio> 10 editorial issus
14:49:37 <Fazio> 11 issues referred to subgroups
14:50:07 <Fazio> 12 issues referred to editors
14:51:33 <Lauriat> Zakim, take up next item
14:51:33 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- report from Makoto presentation on WCAG3 -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:51:42 <Makoto> Quick Summary of attendees survey at Japanese webinar (Feb. 19, 2021) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kX6DnXftI9VSrK9wgTTOqlkFp9KE4OCGxQqgDiAUcTc/edit?usp=sharing
14:54:27 <Fazio> Makoto: survey - majority of respondents say WCAG 3 is easier in Japan
14:55:44 <Fazio> Makoto: Japan doesn't have l;egal obligations. Bronze = AA = higher standard for Japan, since many companies aiom for WCAG 2 A
14:56:27 <Fazio> Makoto: Because WCAG 3 is a higher standard for Japan, not having legal obligation, it may not be used
14:56:54 <Fazio> Makoto, as a result, we should think about countries with no legal obligations
14:56:54 <sajkaj> q+
14:57:01 <Fazio> Thx Makoto!
14:57:06 <Rachael> q+
14:57:10 <Lauriat> ack sajkaj
14:57:17 <Jemma> Are we planning to this survey gloabally?
14:57:26 <JF> Q+
14:57:50 <Fazio> Janina: was Japan survey using English version of WCAG 3
14:58:09 <Jemma> s/planning to/planning to do
14:58:32 <Fazio> Makoto: no, Google Chrome translation... Means WCAG 3 is written in more plain language
14:59:16 <Lauriat> ack Rachael
14:59:24 <joconnor> present+
15:00:30 <Fazio> Makoto: Japanese translation of WCAG 2 since 2010 is very difficult to understand
15:00:57 <Fazio> Q+
15:01:09 <Lauriat> ack JF
15:02:50 <Fazio> Makoto: survey attendees - 39 webmasters, 50% small design agencies
15:03:21 <Fazio> Makoto: no public sector attendees
15:04:21 <Fazio> Makoto: Japanese comments coming in on Github
15:04:49 <Lauriat> ack Fazio
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15:06:19 <Crispy> Present+
15:07:18 <jeanne> +1 for having a broader survey
15:07:35 <Rachael> q+
15:07:36 <Jemma> q+
15:07:44 <Fazio> I can get Latin America Caribbean Telecommunications Unions
15:07:48 <Rachael> q-
15:08:49 <Lauriat> ack Jemma
15:10:16 <Fazio> Jemma: culture differences are important. South Korea debating WCAG 3 or K WCAG 3 because of adaptation problems
15:10:27 <Chuck> q?
15:10:47 <Fazio> Jemma: S Korea technologies make WCAG 2 difficult
15:12:08 <bruce_bailey> q+ to say I have been pleasantly surprised by reception with feds
15:12:11 <Fazio> Makoto: checked new visual contrast algorithm with Japanese characters, similar to other asian and middle east languages
15:12:26 <JF> Q+
15:12:31 <Chuck> q+
15:12:40 <Fazio> David Dikter might
15:13:09 <bruce_bailey> @Jemma, i don't think WCAG3 will make things any easier for South Korean adoption as compared to WCAG2
15:13:16 <sajkaj> Wondering whether what we need is i18n test pages for visual contrast
15:13:48 <Lauriat> ack bruce_bailey
15:13:48 <Zakim> bruce_bailey, you wanted to say I have been pleasantly surprised by reception with feds
15:14:04 <JF> s/W4A conference in ST/W4A conference in San Francisco
15:14:20 <JF> ack me
15:15:30 <Fazio> Jemma: S Korea challenge is measuring accessibility of whole site, not just page by paage
15:15:43 <Jemma> agenda?
15:16:20 <Lauriat> ack Chuck
15:16:31 <Fazio> Shawn: Government stakeholder feedbaack important
15:16:41 <Sheri_B-H> q+
15:17:03 <jeanne> q+
15:17:09 <Rachael> Does the conformance subgroup have a whole site use case?
15:17:16 <jeanne> q-
15:17:40 <JF> Q+
15:18:09 <Lauriat> ack Sheri_B-H
15:18:37 <JF> ack me
15:18:40 <Jemma> +1 Sheri
15:18:42 <Fazio> Sheri: ITI communicates with government org's. Maybe collaboration there
15:18:46 <Lauriat> +1
15:19:04 <SuzanneTaylor> q+
15:19:13 <Lauriat> ack SuzanneTaylor
15:19:27 <JF> The effect of typeface and font size on reading text on a tablet computer for older and younger people: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3315002.3317568
15:19:38 <bruce_bailey> @Sheri, i think think ITI dialogs have been mostly about getting the ACRs from VPAT2 to be more consistent
15:19:44 <Fazio> Suzanne: any suggestions from Japan about lowering the minimum standard?
15:20:12 <Fazio> Makoto: 1 attendee assked for 2 lower levels = WCAG 2 A
15:20:48 <Chuck> q?
15:21:09 <Fazio> Makoto: challenge in Japan to encourage WCAG compliance because of no legal obligation
15:21:29 <bruce_bailey> +1 to "wood metals"
15:22:14 <Lauriat> Zakim, take up next item
15:22:14 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- continue discussion of Bronze, Silver, Gold options -- taken up [from jeanne]
15:22:15 <Rachael> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BjH_9iEr_JL8d7sE7BoQckmkpaDksKZiH7Q-RdDide4/edit#heading=h.r8n8wkp3rutl
15:23:53 <Chuck> +1 pre-populate option
15:24:00 <JF> Q+ to ask about Option 5
15:24:15 <bruce_bailey> q+
15:24:34 <Lauriat> ack JF
15:24:34 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask about Option 5
15:25:40 <Lauriat> ack bruce_bailey
15:26:29 <Fazio> This is what I mean by a process Maturity Model
15:27:52 <Chuck> q+ to ask that this will be an interesting conversation on Friday.
15:28:13 <Fazio> Q+
15:28:28 <Lauriat> ack Chuck
15:28:28 <Zakim> Chuck, you wanted to ask that this will be an interesting conversation on Friday.
15:28:31 <kirkwood> 2nd that
15:28:40 <kirkwood> 3rd that ;)
15:28:41 <Chuck> ack Ch
15:29:05 <Lauriat> ack Fazio
15:29:42 <Wilco> +1000
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