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20:56:23 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Alejandra
20:56:38 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
20:56:59 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.02.23
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21:03:33 <plh> agenda?
21:03:37 <AndreaPerego> trackbot, start meeting
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21:03:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
21:03:43 <trackbot> Date: 23 February 2021
21:03:52 <antoine> present+
21:03:56 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.02.23
21:03:58 <kcoyle> present+
21:04:02 <Rachel> present+
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21:04:07 <plh> regrets+ Alejandra
21:04:11 <plh> present+
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21:04:39 <kcoyle> scribenick: kcoyle
21:04:42 <AndreaPerego> agenda?
21:05:17 <PWinstanley> proposed: accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2020/01/26-dxwg-minutes
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21:06:14 <plh> agenda+ Subgroups Updates - report
21:06:14 <plh> agenda+ GitHub Housekeeping
21:06:14 <plh> agenda+ Checking Open Action items
21:06:29 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2021/01/26-dxwg-minutes
21:07:03 <kcoyle> TOPIC: Admin
21:07:05 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:07:09 <PWinstanley> +1
21:07:12 <plh> +1
21:07:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:07:30 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: minutes of previous meeting (Jan 26); meeting before that was cancelled
21:07:32 <kcoyle> +1
21:07:36 <Rachel> +1
21:07:36 <Ana> +1
21:07:51 <kcoyle> s/before/after
21:07:57 <antoine> 0 (absent)
21:08:04 <PWinstanley> resolved: accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2021/01/26-dxwg-minutes
21:08:04 <kcoyle> resolved: approve minutes of Jan 26
21:08:17 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:08:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/23-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:08:28 <kcoyle> topic: subgroup meetings
21:08:41 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: mainly dcat
21:08:45 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, make logs world
21:08:47 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:08:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/23-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:08:49 <annette_g> +1 fwiw
21:09:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1292
21:10:23 <kcoyle> riccardoAlbertoni: DCAT update: advancing the work on versioning; adding "series"; got feedback on whether class series should be subclass of resource
21:10:37 <kcoyle> ... deciding to make it a subclass of dcat:Dataset
21:10:44 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1295
21:11:31 <kcoyle> ... versioning, AndreaPerego has a proposal; it is an evolution of first version of DCAT
21:11:44 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: a response to feedback
21:12:16 <kcoyle> riccardoAlbertoni: yes, after feedback we added new terms for versioning
21:13:31 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: got response from draft that there is a desire for stronger guidance; we've been using a light touch because such a wide field of useres
21:13:49 <kcoyle> ... we might review this in the future, to give a more focused guidance
21:14:09 <kcoyle> riccardoAlbertoni: Important to do these things incrementally, starting with a simple solution then adding
21:15:10 <antoine> q+
21:15:11 <kcoyle> ... not taking all the terms from P?
21:15:18 <antoine> s/P?/PAV
21:15:24 <kcoyle> s/P?/PAV
21:16:05 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: PAV is no longer being maintained, so need to go beyond that
21:16:25 <antoine> q-
21:16:35 <antoine> q+
21:16:41 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:16:42 <kcoyle> ... are the other things that we can take an idea from but provide foundation to take it forward
21:17:46 <antoine> ok question is: will you include PAV terms (some) and then create 'official versions of them' in the DCAT namespace?
21:17:58 <antoine> a bit like we've note in DQC for DAQ
21:18:06 <antoine> s/note/done
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21:18:27 <antoine> ok thanks this sounds good!
21:18:33 <kcoyle> riccardoAlbertoni: we are minting new terms that are equivalent to PAV in the DCAT namespace
21:18:37 <annette_g> This all makes me happy.
21:19:14 <kcoyle> annette_g: glad that we're putting versioning terms into DCAT
21:19:23 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: do you have use cases?
21:19:33 <kcoyle> annette_g: not sure
21:20:31 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: do we have enough horsepower in the group? Fewer active members
21:21:59 <kcoyle> Rachel: Intend to join the subgroup, catch up with what's going on, need more review of the work
21:22:20 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: Don't need to hold back; feel free to join and listen
21:22:53 <kcoyle> Rachel: Not yet implementing DCAT in work
21:23:04 <annette_g> q+
21:23:22 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
21:24:02 <kcoyle> annette_g: Question about current version term - is this to say this is a more current version and this points to it
21:24:12 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:24:17 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
21:24:22 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: with PAV you have two options: one points to previous, one says this is current
21:24:52 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: what we use is the version chain and the version hierarchy; chain is links to previous/next versions
21:25:18 <kcoyle> ... the hierarchy from abstract resources to versions
21:26:03 <kcoyle> ... for DCAT3 there is a URI, then we have working drafts, etc., so the relationship between DCAT3 (unversioned) and the versions
21:26:21 <kcoyle> ... current version points to the latest stable version (which we don't have yet)
21:26:46 <kcoyle> ... the section on versioning has graphs that explain how these work
21:27:09 <kcoyle> annette_g: is there a use case for current version that would not run into a problem of maintaining versions over time
21:27:40 <antoine> q
21:27:43 <antoine> q+
21:27:44 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: yes, when you have versions of a dataset and they are revised over time you get links to a previous version
21:28:31 <kcoyle> ... but if you have a URI that points to the latest you have to update the link to point to the new version when those happen
21:28:58 <kcoyle> ... in DCAT you can decide whether to use one or both of these types of versions
21:29:28 <kcoyle> annette_g: it would be good to point out that uri for latest is always correct
21:29:36 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:30:11 <kcoyle> antoine: which channel to use for detailed comments?
21:30:20 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: probably github
21:30:42 <kcoyle> riccardoAlbertoni: yes, github. pull request not yet merged so comments can be added to PR
21:31:31 <kcoyle> antoine: PR is pretty complex at this point, and it's hard to find specific issues
21:31:52 <kcoyle> riccardoAlbertoni: PR will be merged soon; so probably best to comment in issues
21:32:07 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: prefer github issues
21:32:53 <kcoyle> ... we have to open issues about the versioning section; the first is related to specifying backward compatibility to previous versions
21:33:56 <AndreaPerego> Backward compatibility: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1258
21:34:35 <AndreaPerego> Version delta: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1271
21:35:19 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: next - how to specify version delta; should we provide a machine-actionable version delta? needs more discussion
21:36:12 <kcoyle> antoine: should create new issues for specifics? (yes)
21:36:42 <kcoyle> topic: github housekeeping
21:36:43 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:37:04 <AndreaPerego> chair: PWinstanley
21:37:05 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:37:54 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: we have a lot of open issues for all projects, and it's difficult to understand scope of work
21:38:38 <kcoyle> ... some need to be closed; some need to be deferred. Need to deal with those that relate to more than one work product
21:39:46 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: That's right. We have a lot of issues that have had no discussion for years. We have over 200 open issues. Need to decide what to do with them
21:39:56 <antoine> q+
21:40:16 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:40:18 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: close those that are no longer relevant; for those with more than one deliverable decide if there is a primary
21:41:12 <kcoyle> antoine: I am guilty for stale issues for profile guidance. This is one reason why I was against splitting the repo's; but the profile vocabulary is working well
21:41:30 <kcoyle> ... but we could move everything relevant into profile guidance
21:42:07 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: over next few weeks look things over individually
21:42:14 <kcoyle> q+
21:42:20 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:42:38 <antoine> kcoyle: some time ago I did a list of open issues
21:42:39 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: some time ago, I did a list of open issues
21:42:50 <antoine> ... I will find that again
21:44:41 <kcoyle> plh: not sure how to archive; can use labels on the issues. archiving is a last resort when not longer working on it
21:45:07 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: so, characterize, don't archive
21:45:18 <kcoyle> ... put this on the agenda for next plenary
21:45:21 <plh> s/not sure how to archive/not sure how to unarchive an archived repo/
21:45:38 <plh> s/not longer/no longer/
21:46:16 <kcoyle> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
21:46:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/23-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
21:46:29 <Rachel> thank you
21:46:34 <Ana> thank you, bye!
21:46:35 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, bye bye
21:46:49 <kcoyle> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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21:48:33 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:49:29 <kcoyle> still not there. I've taken a copy of the irc
21:50:00 <kcoyle> Oh, thanks, I finally got it!
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