IRC log of wot-pf on 2021-02-17
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-wot-pf-irc
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- Meeting: WoT PlugFest
- 14:13:33 [mlagally_]
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- chair: McCool
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- scribenick: mlagally_
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- topic: review of last week's notes
- 14:14:25 [mlagally_]
- mm: please use the main branch going forward as targets for your PRs
- 14:14:58 [kaz]
- i|please|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-pf-minutes.html Feb-10|
- 14:15:12 [mlagally_]
- ... any objections?
- 14:15:32 [mlagally_]
- ... none - (meetings are approved.)
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- topic: Agenda
- 14:15:47 [mlagally_]
- - geting Wiki organzied
- 14:15:48 [kaz]
- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, Jack_Dickinson, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Philipp_Blum, Tomoaki_Mizushima
- 14:15:51 [mlagally_]
- - updating TDs
- 14:16:01 [mlagally_]
- s/geting/getting/
- 14:16:16 [dape]
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- 14:16:44 [mlagally_]
- mmc: we added the hardware.md file to the repo, this will be input into profiles
- 14:16:46 [kaz]
- Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_17.02.2021
- 14:16:53 [ryuichi]
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- 14:16:56 [mlagally_]
- ... development size vs. minimum size
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- ... ESP32 and Nordic were discussed, Nordic has 32 kb
- 14:17:44 [mlagally_]
- ... Theres a 1000:1 ratio between large and small
- 14:18:33 [mlagally_]
- ml: why not create a list of plugfest devices
- 14:19:26 [mjk_]
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- 14:20:31 [mlagally_]
- mm: we can create a list of implementation platforms where plugfest participants describe the hardware they use and capabilities they support.
- 14:22:06 [mlagally_]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2021.03.Online/reference/platforms.md
- 14:23:54 [mjk_]
- https://www.automation.siemens.com/sce-static/iot2000/dffa-b10254-00-7600-simatic-iot2020-en.pdf
- 14:25:47 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:26:19 [mlagally_]
- mm: we have an initial list, need to fill in details
- 14:26:38 [mjk_]
- https://new.siemens.com/global/en/company/sustainability/education/sce/iot2000.html
- 14:26:54 [mlagally_]
- dape: there are several different versions of the Siemens IOT-2020
- 14:28:37 [mlagally_]
- mk: platforms are pretty much capturer if we consider Nordic, ESP32, Raspi, ESP-8266
- 14:29:05 [mlagally_]
- dape: Sebastian was doing some work with node-MCUs and LUA
- 14:30:13 [mlagally_]
- Philipp: embedded radio consumes a lot of resources
- 14:30:32 [mlagally_]
- mm: topic: TDs
- 14:30:58 [mlagally_]
- mm: we need to gather TDs, I plan to look into geospatial examples
- 14:31:34 [citrullin]
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- 14:31:36 [kaz]
- q?
- 14:33:27 [mlagally_]
- kaz: perhaps some new devices from Japanese community group?
- 14:33:43 [kaz]
- ack k
- 14:34:25 [mlagally_]
- toumura: (inaudible)
- 14:34:55 [mlagally_]
- mm: I know Matsukura-san was very interested in greenhouse horticulture
- 14:35:37 [mlagally_]
- ... we can break up the readme and create a dedicated scenario description in aseparate file.
- 14:36:00 [mlagally_]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2021.03.Online/scenarios
- 14:36:15 [mlagally_]
- s/aseparate/a separate/
- 14:36:51 [mlagally_]
- Philipp: I'm working on a dev kit to make development simpler
- 14:37:05 [mlagally_]
- ... when this is ready, I'm happy to provide some devices
- 14:37:14 [mlagally_]
- mm: is this Nordic based?
- 14:37:21 [mlagally_]
- Philipp: yes
- 14:37:43 [mlagally_]
- mm: In addition to hardware we need software stacks with certain capabilities
- 14:37:54 [mlagally_]
- Philipp: it will contai nthe full RIOT SW stack
- 14:38:16 [mlagally_]
- s/i n/in /
- 14:39:41 [mlagally_]
- mm: We also have goals, each group could use their own
- 14:44:27 [mlagally_]
- mm: we discussed signing requirements and corresponding use case in the security TF
- 14:44:43 [mlagally_]
- ... perhaps RIOT OS can work on that?
- 14:45:26 [mlagally_]
- ... controller consumes a TD for controlling a device
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- Philipp: This is kind of complex and we don't have security implemented yet
- 14:46:16 [mlagally_]
- mm_ Security is optional, this would be an interesting real-world use case
- 14:46:42 [mlagally_]
- ... we could use nosec for the test case
- 14:46:55 [mlagally_]
- ... also on a small device I cannot do RDF etc.
- 14:47:17 [mlagally_]
- ... if I do mDNS discovery I can get hundreds of devices
- 14:47:25 [mlagally_]
- ... we should be able to use filters
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- ... this raises a requirement to have filters even for self discovery
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- mm: People are encouraged to contribute their own scenarios
- 14:48:59 [mlagally_]
- ... we should add geolocation mashup (creates scenario description file)
- 14:49:32 [mlagally_]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2021.03.Online/scenarios
- 14:50:29 [mlagally_]
- s#scenarios#scenarios/geolocation.md#
- 14:51:37 [mlagally_]
- dape: It was difficult to get TDs from github
- 14:52:30 [mlagally_]
- ... I used a map service to lookup location information
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- mm: other use cases?
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- q+
- 14:53:08 [dape]
- q+ to ThingModel scenaril
- 14:53:11 [mlagally_]
- mk: I'm working on a "one fieldbus" project,
- 14:53:38 [mlagally_]
- ... putting together a small reference platform, perhaps also add a scenario
- 14:54:06 [kaz]
- q?
- 14:54:23 [mlagally_]
- mk: not usre if I have sth. available for plug fest
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- s/usre/sure/
- 14:55:11 [mlagally_]
- mm: I have not seen any OPC-UA binding, Siemens had their Pump device
- 14:55:21 [mlagally_]
- ... we need to get TDs updated
- 14:55:36 [kaz]
- q?
- 14:55:39 [kaz]
- ack dape
- 14:55:40 [Zakim]
- dape, you wanted to ThingModel scenaril
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- .dape: Getting from a thing model to an actual TD is a scenario
- 14:56:04 [kaz]
- s/.dape:/dape:/
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- mk: I'm also working on sth similar in SDF
- 14:57:13 [mjk_]
- q?
- 14:57:23 [mlagally_]
- mm: thing models / digital twins need a scenario too
- 14:58:00 [mlagally_]
- ... instantiate a TD from a TM
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- q?
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- mk: I have a modbus power supply I can put on a bridge and create a TD
- 14:59:17 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:59:26 [mlagally_]
- mizushima: Japanese CG would like to contribute on the new TD, would like to talk with Toumura
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- ack m
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- ack
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- s/ack//
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- ack k
- 15:00:05 [mlagally_]
- Kaz: we had audio problems earlier, but a potential contrib on a Raspberry Pi could be likely considered
- 15:00:31 [mlagally_]
- mm: we only have two weeks left, please write down concrete scenarios
- 15:00:52 [mlagally_]
- ... probably some university work on agricultural scenarios can be considered
- 15:01:07 [mlagally_]
- ... need to discuss with Fraunhofer about discovery
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- kaz: Do we use VPN with Amazon web services?
- 15:01:50 [mlagally_]
- mm: not necessarily, discovery with mDNS over the Internet is difficult
- 15:02:03 [mlagally_]
- kaz: we need to involve Farshid as well
- 15:02:43 [mlagally_]
- mm: will discuss discovery scenarios with Farshid on Monday
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- ... AOB?
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- none
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- [adjourned]
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
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