14:13:13 RRSAgent has joined #wot-pf 14:13:13 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-wot-pf-irc 14:13:25 Meeting: WoT PlugFest 14:13:33 mlagally_ has joined #wot-pf 14:13:34 chair: McCool 14:13:44 scribenick: mlagally_ 14:13:48 topic: review of last week's notes 14:14:25 mm: please use the main branch going forward as targets for your PRs 14:14:58 i|please|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-pf-minutes.html Feb-10| 14:15:12 ... any objections? 14:15:32 ... none - (meetings are approved.) 14:15:38 topic: Agenda 14:15:47 - geting Wiki organzied 14:15:48 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, Jack_Dickinson, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Philipp_Blum, Tomoaki_Mizushima 14:15:51 - updating TDs 14:16:01 s/geting/getting/ 14:16:16 dape has joined #wot-pf 14:16:44 mmc: we added the hardware.md file to the repo, this will be input into profiles 14:16:46 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_17.02.2021 14:16:53 ryuichi has joined #wot-pf 14:16:56 ... development size vs. minimum size 14:17:33 ... ESP32 and Nordic were discussed, Nordic has 32 kb 14:17:44 ... Theres a 1000:1 ratio between large and small 14:18:33 ml: why not create a list of plugfest devices 14:19:26 mjk_ has joined #wot-pf 14:20:31 mm: we can create a list of implementation platforms where plugfest participants describe the hardware they use and capabilities they support. 14:22:06 https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2021.03.Online/reference/platforms.md 14:23:54 https://www.automation.siemens.com/sce-static/iot2000/dffa-b10254-00-7600-simatic-iot2020-en.pdf 14:25:47 q+ 14:26:19 mm: we have an initial list, need to fill in details 14:26:38 https://new.siemens.com/global/en/company/sustainability/education/sce/iot2000.html 14:26:54 dape: there are several different versions of the Siemens IOT-2020 14:28:37 mk: platforms are pretty much capturer if we consider Nordic, ESP32, Raspi, ESP-8266 14:29:05 dape: Sebastian was doing some work with node-MCUs and LUA 14:30:13 Philipp: embedded radio consumes a lot of resources 14:30:32 mm: topic: TDs 14:30:58 mm: we need to gather TDs, I plan to look into geospatial examples 14:31:34 citrullin has joined #wot-pf 14:31:36 q? 14:33:27 kaz: perhaps some new devices from Japanese community group? 14:33:43 ack k 14:34:25 toumura: (inaudible) 14:34:55 mm: I know Matsukura-san was very interested in greenhouse horticulture 14:35:37 ... we can break up the readme and create a dedicated scenario description in aseparate file. 14:36:00 https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2021.03.Online/scenarios 14:36:15 s/aseparate/a separate/ 14:36:51 Philipp: I'm working on a dev kit to make development simpler 14:37:05 ... when this is ready, I'm happy to provide some devices 14:37:14 mm: is this Nordic based? 14:37:21 Philipp: yes 14:37:43 mm: In addition to hardware we need software stacks with certain capabilities 14:37:54 Philipp: it will contai nthe full RIOT SW stack 14:38:16 s/i n/in / 14:39:41 mm: We also have goals, each group could use their own 14:44:27 mm: we discussed signing requirements and corresponding use case in the security TF 14:44:43 ... perhaps RIOT OS can work on that? 14:45:26 ... controller consumes a TD for controlling a device 14:45:50 Philipp: This is kind of complex and we don't have security implemented yet 14:46:16 mm_ Security is optional, this would be an interesting real-world use case 14:46:42 ... we could use nosec for the test case 14:46:55 ... also on a small device I cannot do RDF etc. 14:47:17 ... if I do mDNS discovery I can get hundreds of devices 14:47:25 ... we should be able to use filters 14:47:43 ... this raises a requirement to have filters even for self discovery 14:48:13 mm: People are encouraged to contribute their own scenarios 14:48:59 ... we should add geolocation mashup (creates scenario description file) 14:49:32 https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2021.03.Online/scenarios 14:50:29 s#scenarios#scenarios/geolocation.md# 14:51:37 dape: It was difficult to get TDs from github 14:52:30 ... I used a map service to lookup location information 14:52:49 mm: other use cases? 14:52:58 q+ 14:53:08 q+ to ThingModel scenaril 14:53:11 mk: I'm working on a "one fieldbus" project, 14:53:38 ... putting together a small reference platform, perhaps also add a scenario 14:54:06 q? 14:54:23 mk: not usre if I have sth. available for plug fest 14:54:30 s/usre/sure/ 14:55:11 mm: I have not seen any OPC-UA binding, Siemens had their Pump device 14:55:21 ... we need to get TDs updated 14:55:36 q? 14:55:39 ack dape 14:55:40 dape, you wanted to ThingModel scenaril 14:55:57 .dape: Getting from a thing model to an actual TD is a scenario 14:56:04 s/.dape:/dape:/ 14:56:13 mk: I'm also working on sth similar in SDF 14:57:13 q? 14:57:23 mm: thing models / digital twins need a scenario too 14:58:00 ... instantiate a TD from a TM 14:58:22 q? 14:58:55 mk: I have a modbus power supply I can put on a bridge and create a TD 14:59:17 q+ 14:59:26 mizushima: Japanese CG would like to contribute on the new TD, would like to talk with Toumura 14:59:48 ack m 14:59:49 ack 14:59:54 s/ack// 14:59:56 ack k 15:00:05 Kaz: we had audio problems earlier, but a potential contrib on a Raspberry Pi could be likely considered 15:00:31 mm: we only have two weeks left, please write down concrete scenarios 15:00:52 ... probably some university work on agricultural scenarios can be considered 15:01:07 ... need to discuss with Fraunhofer about discovery 15:01:23 kaz: Do we use VPN with Amazon web services? 15:01:50 mm: not necessarily, discovery with mDNS over the Internet is difficult 15:02:03 kaz: we need to involve Farshid as well 15:02:43 mm: will discuss discovery scenarios with Farshid on Monday 15:03:08 ... AOB? 15:04:03 none 15:04:05 [adjourned] 15:04:09 rrsagent, make log public 15:04:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:04:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz 16:10:11 dape has left #wot-pf 17:18:08 Zakim has left #wot-pf