IRC log of wot on 2021-02-17
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-wot-irc
- 12:59:52 [kaz]
- Meeting: WoT-IG/WG
- 13:00:07 [kaz]
- Chair: Sebastian
- 13:00:17 [mlagally]
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Philipp_Blum
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- present+ Michael_Lagally, Kunihiko_Toumura
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- present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch, Michael_McCool, Michael_Koster
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- scribenick: McCool
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- present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
- 13:05:44 [McCool]
- agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#17_February_2021
- 13:07:13 [McCool]
- topic: guests
- 13:07:30 [kaz]
- present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
- 13:07:33 [McCool]
- new invited expert, Philipp Blum
- 13:08:22 [matsuda]
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- 13:08:29 [McCool]
- pb: self-intro; use case, connect smart devices, 3-4 years have been contributing to RIoTOS, but needs metadata standard, WoT fits this
- 13:08:40 [McCool]
- ... have previously contributed to plugfest
- 13:09:00 [McCool]
- ... this time will join with a more advanced implementation
- 13:09:15 [McCool]
- seb: what are you currently planning with RIoTOS?
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- pb: also working on a dev kit, temp sensor, crypto IC, etc.
- 13:09:43 [mlagally]
- q+
- 13:09:45 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 13:09:49 [tksuzuki]
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- 13:09:51 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:09:51 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 13:09:53 [McCool]
- ... not a particular use case
- 13:10:10 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:10:23 [kaz]
- present+ Takahisa_Suzuki
- 13:10:27 [kaz]
- q?
- 13:10:33 [citrullin]
- s/RIoTOS/RIOT OS/
- 13:10:35 [McCool]
- seb: also Michael Koster will join us as an invited expert at some point, in progress
- 13:10:48 [sebastian]
- q?
- 13:10:52 [sebastian]
- ack m
- 13:11:08 [McCool]
- ml: pb, sounds interesting; in arch group, have been talking about min size for a device?
- 13:11:31 [McCool]
- pb: we talked about this at length in security as well
- 13:11:58 [McCool]
- ... we discussed streaming, signing, etc.
- 13:12:20 [McCool]
- ... wondering about use cases for TD consumption, streaming, etc.
- 13:12:37 [McCool]
- ... and I am working on a small device, e.g. the Nordic
- 13:12:39 [kaz]
- present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
- 13:12:46 [dape]
- q+
- 13:12:51 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:12:51 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 13:13:19 [McCool]
- mm: updated hw.md file in wot-testing with some notes, btw
- 13:13:35 [McCool]
- seb: question, this is coap only?
- 13:13:49 [dape]
- ack dape
- 13:13:49 [McCool]
- pb: coap is most used, but can also use http, etc.
- 13:14:11 [McCool]
- kaz: pb, please join plugfest call after this call, if you can
- 13:14:25 [McCool]
- topic: minutes Feb 10 review
- 13:14:38 [McCool]
- https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-minutes.html
- 13:15:05 [kaz]
- s/https/-> https/
- 13:15:15 [kaz]
- s/html/html Feb-10/
- 13:15:27 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:16:19 [kaz]
- ack k
- 13:16:48 [McCool]
- kaz: regarding the objectives, note this is really something Dave should be doing, we don't have to do anything beyond our usual planning
- 13:18:19 [kaz]
- present+ Daniel_Peintner
- 13:18:23 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 13:18:38 [McCool]
- mm: regarding OneDM and joint call planning, we can talk about that during F2F planning
- 13:18:55 [McCool]
- seb: also talked about web page, animation, etc.
- 13:19:47 [McCool]
- seb: any objections to publishing?
- 13:20:11 [McCool]
- mk: typo needs to be fixed for Perey's name
- 13:20:17 [McCool]
- other than that, no objections
- 13:20:25 [McCool]
- topic: Quick Updates
- 13:20:32 [McCool]
- seb: TPAC will be virtual this year
- 13:21:17 [McCool]
- kaz: using Zoom probably, details still being discussed, probably Oct
- 13:22:27 [McCool]
- seb: probably no actual F2F until next year
- 13:22:29 [McCool]
- mm: agree
- 13:22:47 [McCool]
- seb: WoT Japanese CG, Feb 27, which is a Saturday
- 13:24:06 [McCool]
- ... need to link from the marketing page, issue created: https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/121
- 13:24:07 [mlagally]
- q+
- 13:24:46 [citrullin]
- s/RIoTOS/RIOT OS/
- 13:24:48 [McCool]
- ml: would be good to have a top-level view of the community groups
- 13:25:51 [McCool]
- mm: the original design was for "a" CG, but now we have more than one, will have to rethink
- 13:28:09 [mlagally]
- q+
- 13:28:40 [McCool]
- seb: renaming master to main
- 13:28:54 [McCool]
- mm: wot-testing done, have not tested pending PRs
- 13:29:12 [McCool]
- ... suggest doing wot-discovery next, has pending PRs, but they are from me
- 13:29:26 [McCool]
- ... maybe wot-security and wot next
- 13:29:33 [McCool]
- ... then let's see next week
- 13:29:47 [McCool]
- ml: also seems to be some errors
- 13:30:00 [McCool]
- topic: Joint Calls
- 13:30:42 [mlagally]
- I noticed that several specifications (including TD, arch, profile) have a red respec error with a cryptic error message.
- 13:31:02 [mlagally]
- This looks bad and it's unclear what can be done to resolve it.
- 13:34:14 [McCool]
- mm: trying to organize joint calls for March 15, but only a 3h session, 1.5h already allocated
- 13:34:28 [McCool]
- ... but a few other 30m calls would make sense
- 13:34:41 [McCool]
- seb: looking into OPC-UA
- 13:35:04 [McCool]
- kaz: working on formal process with ECHONET, but in plugfest we have some informal activities planned
- 13:35:10 [McCool]
- mm: working on APA and T2TRG
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- present+ David_Ezell
- 13:36:45 [kaz]
- s/planned/planned. so I'm asking them about if it's ok to start this informal collaboration this time to make sure too./
- 13:42:25 [McCool]
- seb: plugfest planning
- 13:42:45 [McCool]
- mm: minimum sizes; maybe some use cases from pb; geolocation, see PR
- 13:43:00 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/master/events/2021.03.Online/README.md PlugFest page
- 13:43:05 [McCool]
- seb: for F2F planning, please propose agenda topics in wiki
- 13:43:12 [kaz]
- i/plugfest planning/topic: Plugfest planning/
- 13:43:28 [McCool]
- seb: any updates on joint calls?
- 13:43:34 [McCool]
- mm: nothing yet for T2TRG
- 13:43:44 [kaz]
- i/any updates/topic: Liaisons and joint calls/
- 13:43:48 [McCool]
- mk: still working on OneDM doodle, trying to find a better time
- 13:44:38 [McCool]
- mm: getting a session on March 15 would be nice, but a separate call is ok too
- 13:44:57 [McCool]
- seb: also still negotiating with OPC-UA
- 13:45:00 [mjk]
- I will schedule a joint call with before March 15th
- 13:45:12 [mjk]
- s/joint call/ joint call with OneDM
- 13:45:24 [McCool]
- ... and W3M, regarding joint charter, etc.
- 13:45:26 [mlagally]
- q+
- 13:45:41 [kaz]
- s/with before/before/
- 13:45:56 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:46:05 [kaz]
- ack ml
- 13:46:23 [McCool]
- ml: plan is that OPC will be creating a companion spec as an OPC activity?
- 13:46:46 [McCool]
- seb: discussion is whether this should be a joint charter, and if so, why only OPC, and not ECHONET, etc?
- 13:47:03 [McCool]
- ml: the question is why?
- 13:47:35 [McCool]
- seb: should not in general have to do a liaison just to do bindings
- 13:48:08 [McCool]
- ml: my understanding of the liaison goal was to get groups to work together
- 13:49:16 [McCool]
- kaz: probably we should have a dedicated call to discuss how to deal with liaisons
- 13:50:24 [McCool]
- kaz: ITU-T invitation out; cannot attend use case call, invited to F2F in March
- 13:50:38 [McCool]
- ... for OGC and ECHONET, have been working on formal arrangements
- 13:50:48 [McCool]
- ... OGC willing to extend current liaison, working on that
- 13:51:04 [McCool]
- ... ECHONET having internal discussions, will get back to us next week.
- 13:52:15 [kaz]
- topic: TF reports
- 13:52:36 [McCool]
- in scripting, discussed partial TD validation, management API for security
- 13:54:05 [McCool]
- security, talked about signing, canonicalization, validation, and memory requirements for small devices
- 13:54:09 [sebastian]
- https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/
- 13:54:14 [mlagally]
- q+
- 13:54:33 [kaz]
- q-
- 13:54:41 [kaz]
- q+ to show the video with captions
- 13:54:46 [McCool]
- discovery, updated the information model (see updates in editor's draft), discussed earlier version of geolocation draft
- 13:55:44 [McCool]
- marketing, discussed web page, animation, problems with directly embedding mashups (twitter, YouTube), organization of documents, videos, CGs, etc.
- 13:56:00 [McCool]
- have also been working on captions for video
- 13:56:15 [McCool]
- ml: would be nice to share the link to the actual documentation source
- 13:56:45 [McCool]
- ... main readme is to very old page, hard to find sources
- 13:56:56 [sebastian]
- sources of the webpage: https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/tree/master/docs
- 13:57:01 [McCool]
- ... please update main readme to point to the right place, is broken
- 13:57:55 [McCool]
- seb: ok, good points (updates "proposals" to "doc")
- 13:58:11 [McCool]
- kaz: let me play the video so we can see current status, and captions
- 13:58:29 [McCool]
- ... just got the captions yesterday, still need to check spelling, etc.
- 13:58:47 [McCool]
- seb: needed to fix some weird UTF-8 issues, Kaz looking into that
- 13:59:02 [kaz]
- and already fixed as shown :)
- 13:59:23 [McCool]
- ml: no use case call this week; trying to get ITU-T to join us but can't make next call
- 14:00:23 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2021.03.Online PlugFest page
- 14:00:43 [McCool]
- mm: will discuss plugfest call in ten minutes, but is coming up fast
- 14:00:52 [McCool]
- ... if you can't make it, we do need TDs
- 14:01:23 [McCool]
- seb: TD, recent topics was TM
- 14:01:53 [McCool]
- ... also looked at MODBUS binding briefly, hopefully more on that today
- 14:02:27 [McCool]
- ml: arch, discussed definition of TD fragment
- 14:03:18 [McCool]
- ... in profiles, discussed limited to accommodate small devices, if you want input on that please join the call, will try to conclude that tomorrow
- 14:03:37 [McCool]
- seb: ok, let's adjourn, do testing at 10 past
- 14:03:42 [kaz]
- [main call adjourned; plugfest call starts 10mins past the hour]
- 14:03:49 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
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