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12:59:52 <kaz> Meeting: WoT-IG/WG
13:00:07 <kaz> Chair: Sebastian
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13:00:19 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Philipp_Blum
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13:03:39 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch, Michael_McCool, Michael_Koster
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13:05:23 <kaz> scribenick: McCool
13:05:33 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
13:05:44 <McCool> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#17_February_2021
13:07:13 <McCool> topic: guests
13:07:30 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:07:33 <McCool> new invited expert, Philipp Blum
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13:08:29 <McCool> pb: self-intro; use case, connect smart devices, 3-4 years have been contributing to RIoTOS, but needs metadata standard, WoT fits this
13:08:40 <McCool> ... have previously contributed to plugfest
13:09:00 <McCool> ... this time will join with a more advanced implementation
13:09:15 <McCool> seb: what are you currently planning with RIoTOS?
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13:09:35 <McCool> pb: also working on a dev kit, temp sensor, crypto IC, etc.
13:09:43 <mlagally> q+
13:09:45 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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13:09:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:09:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:09:53 <McCool> ... not a particular use case
13:10:10 <kaz> q+
13:10:23 <kaz> present+ Takahisa_Suzuki
13:10:27 <kaz> q?
13:10:33 <citrullin> s/RIoTOS/RIOT OS/
13:10:35 <McCool> seb: also Michael Koster will join us as an invited expert at some point, in progress
13:10:48 <sebastian> q?
13:10:52 <sebastian> ack m
13:11:08 <McCool> ml: pb, sounds interesting; in arch group, have been talking about min size for a device?
13:11:31 <McCool> pb: we talked about this at length in security as well
13:11:58 <McCool> ... we discussed streaming, signing, etc.
13:12:20 <McCool> ... wondering about use cases for TD consumption, streaming, etc.
13:12:37 <McCool> ... and I am working on a small device, e.g. the Nordic
13:12:39 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
13:12:46 <dape> q+
13:12:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:12:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:13:19 <McCool> mm: updated hw.md file in wot-testing with some notes, btw
13:13:35 <McCool> seb: question, this is coap only?
13:13:49 <dape> ack dape
13:13:49 <McCool> pb: coap is most used, but can also use http, etc.
13:14:11 <McCool> kaz: pb, please join plugfest call after this call, if you can
13:14:25 <McCool> topic: minutes Feb 10 review
13:14:38 <McCool> https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-minutes.html
13:15:05 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
13:15:15 <kaz> s/html/html Feb-10/
13:15:27 <kaz> q+
13:16:19 <kaz> ack k
13:16:48 <McCool> kaz: regarding the objectives, note this is really something Dave should be doing, we don't have to do anything beyond our usual planning
13:18:19 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
13:18:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:18:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:18:38 <McCool> mm: regarding OneDM and joint call planning, we can talk about that during F2F planning
13:18:55 <McCool> seb: also talked about web page, animation, etc.
13:19:47 <McCool> seb: any objections to publishing?
13:20:11 <McCool> mk: typo needs to be fixed for Perey's name
13:20:17 <McCool> other than that, no objections
13:20:25 <McCool> topic: Quick Updates
13:20:32 <McCool> seb: TPAC will be virtual this year
13:21:17 <McCool> kaz: using Zoom probably, details still being discussed, probably Oct
13:22:27 <McCool> seb: probably no actual F2F until next year
13:22:29 <McCool> mm: agree
13:22:47 <McCool> seb: WoT Japanese CG, Feb 27, which is a Saturday
13:24:06 <McCool> ... need to link from the marketing page, issue created: https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/121
13:24:07 <mlagally> q+
13:24:46 <citrullin> s/RIoTOS/RIOT OS/
13:24:48 <McCool> ml: would be good to have a top-level view of the community groups
13:25:51 <McCool> mm: the original design was for "a" CG, but now we have more than one, will have to rethink
13:28:09 <mlagally> q+
13:28:40 <McCool> seb: renaming master to main
13:28:54 <McCool> mm: wot-testing done, have not tested pending PRs
13:29:12 <McCool> ... suggest doing wot-discovery next, has pending PRs, but they are from me
13:29:26 <McCool> ... maybe wot-security and wot next
13:29:33 <McCool> ... then let's see next week
13:29:47 <McCool> ml: also seems to be some errors
13:30:00 <McCool> topic: Joint Calls
13:30:42 <mlagally> I noticed that several specifications (including TD, arch, profile) have a red respec error with a cryptic error message.
13:31:02 <mlagally> This looks bad and it's unclear what can be done to resolve it.
13:34:14 <McCool> mm: trying to organize joint calls for March 15, but only a 3h session, 1.5h already allocated
13:34:28 <McCool> ... but a few other 30m calls would make sense
13:34:41 <McCool> seb: looking into OPC-UA
13:35:04 <McCool> kaz: working on formal process with ECHONET, but in plugfest we have some informal activities planned
13:35:10 <McCool> mm: working on APA and T2TRG
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13:36:45 <kaz> s/planned/planned. so I'm asking them about if it's ok to start this informal collaboration this time to make sure too./
13:42:25 <McCool> seb: plugfest planning
13:42:45 <McCool> mm: minimum sizes; maybe some use cases from pb; geolocation, see PR
13:43:00 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/master/events/2021.03.Online/README.md PlugFest page
13:43:05 <McCool> seb: for F2F planning, please propose agenda topics in wiki
13:43:12 <kaz> i/plugfest planning/topic: Plugfest planning/
13:43:28 <McCool> seb: any updates on joint calls?
13:43:34 <McCool> mm: nothing yet for T2TRG
13:43:44 <kaz> i/any updates/topic: Liaisons and joint calls/
13:43:48 <McCool> mk: still working on OneDM doodle, trying to find a better time
13:44:38 <McCool> mm: getting a session on March 15 would be nice, but a separate call is ok too
13:44:57 <McCool> seb: also still negotiating with OPC-UA
13:45:00 <mjk> I will schedule a joint call with before March 15th
13:45:12 <mjk> s/joint call/ joint call with OneDM
13:45:24 <McCool> ... and W3M, regarding joint charter, etc.
13:45:26 <mlagally> q+
13:45:41 <kaz> s/with before/before/
13:45:56 <kaz> q+
13:46:05 <kaz> ack ml
13:46:23 <McCool> ml: plan is that OPC will be creating a companion spec as an OPC activity?
13:46:46 <McCool> seb: discussion is whether this should be a joint charter, and if so, why only OPC, and not ECHONET, etc?
13:47:03 <McCool> ml: the question is why?
13:47:35 <McCool> seb: should not in general have to do a liaison just to do bindings
13:48:08 <McCool> ml: my understanding of the liaison goal was to get groups to work together
13:49:16 <McCool> kaz: probably we should have a dedicated call to discuss how to deal with liaisons
13:50:24 <McCool> kaz: ITU-T invitation out; cannot attend use case call, invited to F2F in March
13:50:38 <McCool> ... for OGC and ECHONET, have been working on formal arrangements
13:50:48 <McCool> ... OGC willing to extend current liaison, working on that
13:51:04 <McCool> ... ECHONET having internal discussions, will get back to us next week.
13:52:15 <kaz> topic: TF reports
13:52:36 <McCool> in scripting, discussed partial TD validation, management API for security
13:54:05 <McCool> security, talked about signing, canonicalization, validation, and memory requirements for small devices
13:54:09 <sebastian> https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/
13:54:14 <mlagally> q+
13:54:33 <kaz> q-
13:54:41 <kaz> q+ to show the video with captions
13:54:46 <McCool> discovery, updated the information model (see updates in editor's draft), discussed earlier version of geolocation draft
13:55:44 <McCool> marketing, discussed web page, animation, problems with directly embedding mashups (twitter, YouTube), organization of documents, videos, CGs, etc.
13:56:00 <McCool> have also been working on captions for video
13:56:15 <McCool> ml: would be nice to share the link to the actual documentation source
13:56:45 <McCool> ... main readme is to very old page, hard to find sources
13:56:56 <sebastian> sources of the webpage: https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/tree/master/docs
13:57:01 <McCool> ... please update main readme to point to the right place, is broken
13:57:55 <McCool> seb: ok, good points (updates "proposals" to "doc")
13:58:11 <McCool> kaz: let me play the video so we can see current status, and captions
13:58:29 <McCool> ... just got the captions yesterday, still need to check spelling, etc.
13:58:47 <McCool> seb: needed to fix some weird UTF-8 issues, Kaz looking into that
13:59:02 <kaz> and already fixed as shown :)
13:59:23 <McCool> ml: no use case call this week; trying to get ITU-T to join us but can't make next call
14:00:23 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2021.03.Online PlugFest page
14:00:43 <McCool> mm: will discuss plugfest call in ten minutes, but is coming up fast
14:00:52 <McCool> ... if you can't make it, we do need TDs
14:01:23 <McCool> seb: TD, recent topics was TM
14:01:53 <McCool> ... also looked at MODBUS binding briefly, hopefully more on that today
14:02:27 <McCool> ml: arch, discussed definition of TD fragment
14:03:18 <McCool> ... in profiles, discussed limited to accommodate small devices, if you want input on that please join the call, will try to conclude that tomorrow
14:03:37 <McCool> seb: ok, let's adjourn, do testing at 10 past
14:03:42 <kaz> [main call adjourned; plugfest call starts 10mins past the hour]
14:03:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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