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16:45:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
16:45:11 <trackbot> Date: 17 February 2021
16:45:18 <janina> agenda?
16:45:23 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
16:45:23 <Zakim> agenda cleared
16:46:11 <janina> Chair:  Janina
16:46:11 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
16:46:11 <janina> agenda+ Rechartering CfC: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2021Feb/0001.html
16:46:14 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Updates
16:46:16 <janina> agenda+ FAST Progress
16:46:19 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
16:46:22 <janina> agenda+ Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
16:46:25 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:46:27 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
16:46:30 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
16:46:32 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
16:46:35 <janina> agenda+ be done
16:46:48 <janina>  Regrets: Becky, Gottfried
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16:53:00 <janina> present+
16:55:24 <christos> present+
16:56:48 <janina> zakim, who's here
16:56:48 <Zakim> janina, you need to end that query with '?'
16:57:03 <janina> zakim, who's here?
16:57:03 <Zakim> Present: janina, paul_grenier, JPaton, Fazio, becky, Irfan, Matthew_Atkinson, JonnyJames, JF, MichaelC, NeilS, christos
16:57:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see christos, RRSAgent, stevelee_, janina, ada, MichaelC, Zakim, tink, ZoeBijl, slightlyoff, joconnor, manu, Rachael, cwilso, trackbot
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16:57:17 <christos> who's here?
16:57:50 <christos> zakim, who's here?
16:57:50 <Zakim> Present: janina, paul_grenier, JPaton, Fazio, becky, Irfan, Matthew_Atkinson, JonnyJames, JF, MichaelC, NeilS, christos
16:57:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see Matthew_Atkinson, christos, RRSAgent, stevelee_, janina, ada, MichaelC, Zakim, tink, ZoeBijl, slightlyoff, joconnor, manu, Rachael, cwilso, trackbot
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16:59:48 <paul_grenier> present+
17:00:27 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
17:00:39 <tink> present+ Léonie (tink)
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17:03:17 <JF> Present+
17:03:19 <JF> agenda?
17:03:29 <amy_c> present+
17:04:44 <paul_grenier> trackbot, start meeting
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17:04:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
17:04:50 <trackbot> Date: 17 February 2021
17:04:51 <JonnyJames> present+
17:04:55 <paul_grenier> scribe: paul_grenier
17:05:00 <paul_grenier> chair: janina
17:05:06 <paul_grenier> zakim, who is here?
17:05:06 <Zakim> Present: janina, paul_grenier, JPaton, Fazio, becky, Irfan, Matthew_Atkinson, JonnyJames, JF, MichaelC, NeilS, christos, Fazio_, Léonie, (tink), amy_c
17:05:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see JonnyJames, JF, amy_c, Garth, paul_grenier, Fazio_, JPaton, Matthew_Atkinson, christos, RRSAgent, stevelee_, janina, ada, MichaelC, Zakim, tink, ZoeBijl, slightlyoff,
17:05:10 <Zakim> ... joconnor, manu, Rachael, cwilso, trackbot
17:05:15 <paul_grenier> zakim, agenda?
17:05:15 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda:
17:05:16 <Zakim> 1. Agenda Review & Announcements [from janina]
17:05:16 <Zakim> 2. Rechartering CfC: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2021Feb/0001.html [from janina]
17:05:16 <Zakim> 3. Task Force Updates [from janina]
17:05:16 <Zakim> 4. FAST Progress [from janina]
17:05:16 <Zakim> 5. New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 [from janina]
17:05:18 <Zakim> 6. Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from janina]
17:05:18 <Zakim> 7. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
17:05:18 <Zakim> 8. CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from janina]
17:05:18 <Zakim> 9. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open [from janina]
17:05:19 <Zakim> 10. Other Business [from janina]
17:05:19 <Zakim> 11. be done [from janina]
17:05:19 <JF> +1 to enabling captions/transcript in Zoom
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17:05:43 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:05:43 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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17:06:25 <paul_grenier> janina: any annoucements?
17:06:31 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:06:31 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, paul_grenier
17:06:36 <paul_grenier> zakim, close this item
17:06:36 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
17:06:37 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:06:37 <Zakim> 2. Rechartering CfC: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2021Feb/0001.html [from janina]
17:06:41 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:06:41 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Rechartering CfC: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2021Feb/0001.html -- taken up [from janina]
17:06:45 <Ela> present+
17:07:31 <paul_grenier> janina: we've had only a few votes on the charter. We need more members to vote. Reminder, there's an open cfc that runs through Friday midnight EST.
17:07:31 <Fazio_> We didn't get a chance to discuss in coga last week
17:07:34 <Fredrik_Fischer> present+
17:07:50 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:07:50 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force Updates -- taken up [from janina]
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17:07:56 <Fazio_> I'll make sure we discuss tomorrow
17:08:08 <IanPouncey> present+
17:08:28 <JPaton> present+
17:08:45 <Fazio_> present+
17:09:19 <paul_grenier> janina: pronunciation did not meet this week, working on publishing documents. Personalization also did not meet.
17:09:35 <paul_grenier> janina: any other TF need to provide updates?
17:09:49 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:09:50 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- FAST Progress -- taken up [from janina]
17:10:50 <paul_grenier> joconnor: we're working on consolidating user needs, structure of relationships, and Michael is working on the database.
17:11:16 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:11:16 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
17:11:41 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: web machine learning working group
17:11:49 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: we owe them comments
17:12:03 <paul_grenier> janina: I have an action item for that, incomplete
17:12:46 <paul_grenier> janina: let's sign off on it, too low of a level for our concern right now
17:13:11 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: spacial data on the web working group
17:13:32 <MichaelC> -> https://w3c.github.io/sdw/roadmap/charter-2020.html Spatial Data on the Web Working Group
17:14:35 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: we looked at it last week and asked the question to update liason from WAI to APA. They replied about how they're coordinating with linked data.
17:14:59 <paul_grenier> janina: I think that's sufficient, we can sign off.
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17:17:36 <Fazio_> COGA also interested in smart cities
17:18:27 <paul_grenier> Fazio_: coga is very interested in the ISO smart cities work in progress
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17:19:03 <Irfan> present+
17:19:44 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:19:44 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
17:20:18 <MichaelC> -> [css-ruby] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5927 visibility:collapse on ruby annotations
17:21:35 <JF> +1 to Paul there
17:26:28 <paul_grenier> JF: "how do you envision this working in the browser, with a keyboard?" so be proactive with our concerns rather than just wait and see
17:26:46 <paul_grenier> JF: I'm willing to work on a draft before we respond in github
17:27:15 <paul_grenier> JF: paul_grenier and amy_c I'd like your comments as well when I kick this off
17:27:52 <JF> ACTION: JF to kick off an email thread to respond to https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5927
17:27:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2283 - Kick off an email thread to respond to https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5927 [on John Foliot - due 2021-02-24].
17:28:16 <paul_grenier> janina: yes, we'll track this
17:29:20 <MichaelC> -> https://github.com/WICG/open-ui/issues/112 <select multiple> is exposed as a listbox, not a combobox
17:31:03 <paul_grenier> janina: we'll track it
17:31:27 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:31:27 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
17:31:36 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: none this week
17:31:41 <paul_grenier> zakim, close this item
17:31:41 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
17:31:42 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:31:42 <Zakim> 8. CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from janina]
17:31:43 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:31:43 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
17:32:23 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/32
17:33:12 <paul_grenier> amy_c: is already being tracked
17:33:12 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/34
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17:34:07 <amy_c> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-4/#a11y-sec
17:34:08 <paul_grenier> amy_c: the CSS color module level 4 Ian stated no concerns. There's now an accessibility considerations section. It would be great if it were reviewed.
17:37:08 <paul_grenier> we can do without the word "sufferers". Alternative: "people living with migraines or epilepsy"
17:37:45 <paul_grenier> janina: we can drop that issue over there and close this one.
17:38:14 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:38:14 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
17:39:59 <JF> scribe: JF
17:40:23 <JF> PG: inwebmanifest spec, there is a sentence on a11y" Authors are encouraged to provide a label..."
17:40:36 <JF> PG: think it should be a MUST not a SHOULD
17:41:09 <Fazio> donq+
17:41:12 <JF> Q: if there is no other MUST or SHOULD in document, if there are no other instances of those terms what to do?
17:41:20 <Fazio> q+
17:41:31 <JF> MC: we should ask them to use the non RFC 2119 term of Must
17:42:07 <JF> MC: we've struggled with this issue previous with ARIA.
17:42:42 <JF> PG: so then suggest to add a sentence "If there is a question of what to use as a label, use the page heading (<title>?)
17:42:58 <JF> MC: Sounds like a useful comment
17:43:02 <JF> PG: will do so then
17:43:48 <paul_grenier> Fazio: is the point to provide a label to know that a screen shot is there or to provide a good label.
17:45:01 <JF> Q+ to comment on needs
17:46:26 <janina> ack jf
17:46:26 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to comment on needs
17:46:38 <paul_grenier> Fazio: there's a disconnect between the amount of information from a screen shot and what would fit in an accessible name
17:47:24 <paul_grenier> JF: i agree it would be helpful to have all description information available, but right now the bigger issue is making sure we have a good accessible name in the dom/axtree
17:48:25 <paul_grenier> janina: rather than hearing screenshot screenshot screenshot it would be helpful to have something that provides a little more context. we're not likely to get the level of manual intervention needed to fully describe the image.
17:48:44 <paul_grenier> JF: it's going to be used like a thumbnail, not a fully detailed examination of the page
17:51:11 <paul_grenier> JF: a description would be also helpful (not currently in spec)
17:51:50 <Matthew_Atkinson> +1 to the idea of emphasising "accessible name" and to the idea of having an optional description.
17:52:07 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:52:07 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, paul_grenier
17:52:12 <paul_grenier> ack paul_grenier
17:52:16 <paul_grenier> q?
17:52:24 <paul_grenier> ack Fazio
17:52:25 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:52:25 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina]
17:52:48 <paul_grenier> RRSAgent, make logs public
17:52:51 <paul_grenier> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:52:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-apa-minutes.html paul_grenier
17:54:26 <Fazio> its in understanding wcag
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