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14:30:27 <tzviya> meeting: PWE
14:30:36 <tzviya> Date: 2021-02-16
14:30:40 <tzviya> Chair: Tzviya
14:30:49 <tzviya> Agenda
14:30:49 <tzviya> Agenda+ Chair intros
14:30:49 <tzviya> Agenda+ Charter review [3]
14:30:49 <tzviya> Agenda+ change in wording “political views” https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/issues/162
14:30:49 <tzviya> Agenda+ nomination guidance https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/18
14:30:49 <tzviya> Agenda+ PWE reading list - call for assistance with formatting
14:30:49 <tzviya> Agenda+ AOB
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14:59:02 <Ralph> present+
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15:00:19 <tink> present+ Léonie (tink)
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15:00:43 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public
15:01:08 <wendyreid> present+
15:01:09 <wendyreid> scribe+
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15:03:02 <Ralph> present+ Liz, Terence, BarbaraH, Hobert, Tobie, JudyB
15:03:05 <wendyreid> tzviya: Welcome everyone
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15:03:18 <chaals> present+
15:03:27 <wendyreid> zakim, next item
15:03:27 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Chair intros -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:03:36 <Ralph> present+ Nishad
15:03:44 <hober> present+
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15:03:55 <wendyreid> tzviya: We're going to do a quick introduction of the chairs
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15:04:24 <wendyreid> [introductions happen!]
15:04:33 <jeff> present+
15:04:43 <edent> present +edent
15:05:04 <tobie> present+
15:05:43 <wendyreid> tzviya: We have a few people who weren't here last week as well
15:06:00 <wendyreid> [more introductions]
15:08:12 <Jemma> present+
15:08:13 <Ralph> present+ WendySeltzer
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15:09:21 <wendyreid> tzviya: Let's move on
15:09:27 <wendyreid> zakim, next item
15:09:27 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Charter review -- taken up [from 3]
15:09:42 <wendyreid> tzviya: Last time we showed you the simple charter we put together
15:09:45 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/master/PWECharter.md
15:09:54 <wendyreid> ... Jeff suggested we add an item about how chairs are selected
15:10:10 <wendyreid> ... we do need to update the website to include the new chairs
15:10:24 <wendyreid> ... we're different from many community groups in that we're not producing specifications
15:10:29 <wendyreid> ... we are incubating ideas
15:10:39 <wendyreid> ... these are some goals and we'll come back to it another time
15:10:43 <wendyreid> ... feedback is welcome
15:10:48 <jeff> q+
15:10:52 <tzviya> ack je
15:11:16 <wendyreid> jeff: This isn't an ordinary community group, it is critical to the environment of W3C
15:11:19 <Ralph> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pwe/2021Feb/0001.html
15:11:40 <wendyreid> ... we should surface it to groups like W3M and the AB for comment once its ready.
15:11:56 <wendyreid> tzviya: I don't want to add unneccessary things to this, make sure it's flexible
15:12:04 <wendyreid> zakim, next item
15:12:04 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- change in wording “political views” https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/issues/162 -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:12:09 <Jemma> present+
15:12:36 <wendyreid> tzviya: We had a proposal to tweak some wording in one of the glossary definitions
15:12:46 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/issues/162
15:12:49 <wendyreid> ... there's a lengthy dicussion in GH issue 162
15:12:56 <wendyreid> ... I've linked to the proposal itself
15:13:06 <wendyreid> ... it's removing two words from one of the definitions
15:13:16 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/pull/163
15:13:16 <wendyreid> ... PR 163
15:14:00 <Jemma> agenda?
15:14:17 <wendyreid> ... it was brought up by a case where political views impacted the environment of a group
15:14:34 <tink> q+
15:14:36 <Ralph> [dropping "political view" from the list in the glossary for "Discrimination"]
15:14:37 <tzviya> ack tink
15:14:37 <wendyreid> ... political views are discussed nowhere else in CEPC, and probably should not be included in this definition
15:14:52 <wendyreid> tink: This was actually a comment from Liz when we were discussing this recently
15:15:24 <wendyreid> ... essentially, the likely problems experienced by keeping this phrase as is would be covered by the other clauses in the CEPC
15:15:43 <jeff> q+
15:15:47 <tzviya> ack jeff
15:15:52 <wendyreid> ... changing the text will not change anything as the sitations are alredy covered
15:16:08 <wendyreid> jeff: I see political views is mentioned in discrimination but not prejudice
15:16:15 <wendyreid> tzviya: It was a typo
15:16:18 <wendyreid> jeff: Ok
15:16:29 <wendyreid> tzviya: What we're discussing is PR 163
15:16:36 <wendyreid> ... removing the two words from the definitions
15:16:46 <wendyreid> ... we could vote on that
15:16:52 <Judy> q+
15:16:55 <jeff> q+
15:16:57 <tzviya> ack Judy
15:17:03 <wendyreid> Judy: Procedural question, apologies
15:17:13 <wendyreid> ... there's this CEPC that went through a lot of review
15:17:17 <wendyreid> ... got attached to process
15:17:26 <wendyreid> ... if we're debating one-off changes
15:17:35 <wendyreid> ... what happens with the changes?
15:17:48 <wendyreid> ... accumulate until we have enough to make a substantive update
15:17:59 <wendyreid> ... is it going to go live right away?
15:18:10 <wendyreid> tzviya: It would not be in our best interest to constantly update the document
15:18:20 <wendyreid> ... it's helpful to have a stable policy
15:18:29 <wendyreid> ... I discussed this with WendyS
15:18:33 <wendyreid> ... what would trigger a change
15:19:00 <wendyreid> ... the things that would force an update could be an important major change, an accumulation of issues, etc
15:19:06 <wendyreid> ... we could have an editor's draft
15:19:14 <wendyreid> ... likely not going to update it for at least a year
15:19:26 <tzviya> ack jeff
15:19:29 <wendyreid> ... for people that view this as important, knowing an edit is pending could be helpful
15:19:35 <wendyreid> jeff: I'm neutral on the change
15:19:46 <wendyreid> ... I would probably not have added it if it weren't there
15:20:13 <wendyreid> ... should we leave morals in there, it is similar to political view
15:20:19 <wendyreid> tzviya: No one has mentioned it
15:20:41 <jeff> q+
15:20:50 <wendyreid> liz: Is morals covering religious beliefs as well as non-religious ones. In the UK we use the phrase "belief" to cover both
15:20:54 <wendyreid> tzviya: That's possible
15:20:57 <tzviya> ack jeff
15:21:02 <wendyreid> ... if that's the case I'd prefer to change it to beliefsd
15:21:32 <wendyreid> jeff: I agree with Liz, but could political views be considered a belief
15:21:42 <wendyreid> tzviya: Let's do a vote
15:21:49 <jeff> 0
15:21:51 <chaals> +1 to merge PR #163
15:21:51 <Ralph> +1 to drop "political view"
15:21:52 <edent> +1
15:21:54 <wendyreid> ... +1 if you agree to remove, -1 if you do not
15:21:54 <hober> +1
15:21:56 <wendyreid> +!
15:21:58 <wendyreid> +1
15:21:59 <tink> +1 to removing the phrase.
15:22:00 <Judy> 0
15:22:01 <wseltzer> +1
15:22:02 <tobie> +1
15:22:02 <tzviya> +1
15:22:07 <Nishad> 0
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15:22:16 <Liz_L> agree
15:22:19 <BarbH> 0
15:22:26 <tzviya> s/agree/+1
15:22:56 <wendyreid> tzviya: resolved to approve PR 163
15:23:04 <jeff> q+
15:23:12 <tzviya> ack jeff
15:23:23 <wendyreid> jeff: So further to Judy's question, do we have a place to keep the editor's draft
15:23:35 <wendyreid> tzviya: It works the same way all things in respec work
15:23:59 <wendyreid> ... the TR equivalent is at the CEPC link, the editor's draft will live in github
15:24:15 <wendyreid> jeff: I just want to make sure the editor's are aware
15:24:21 <wendyreid> tink: You can't live-edit the TR
15:24:32 <tzviya> ack Ralph
15:24:48 <wendyreid> Ralph: The official published version is not on TR, but tink's comment applies
15:24:59 <Ralph> [the official published version is https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/ ]
15:25:08 <wendyreid> ... the version online points to the ED, but editing the github doesn't affect it
15:25:13 <wendyreid> zakim, next item
15:25:13 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- nomination guidance https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/18 -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:25:26 <wendyreid> tzviya: Return to the discussion on nomination guidance
15:25:54 <wendyreid> ... The chairs discussed the suggestion to members
15:25:57 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/18#issuecomment-776111007
15:26:03 <wendyreid> ... link to our suggestions
15:26:15 <wendyreid> ... we found that the wording was very passive, not imperative
15:26:31 <wendyreid> ... found it odd that it was living on the patent policy page
15:26:51 <wendyreid> ... any other thoughts about this statement?
15:27:07 <wseltzer> q+
15:27:11 <Judy> q+
15:27:11 <tzviya> ack wseltzer
15:27:36 <wendyreid> wseltzer: Question about the page it appears on, it's the join page for a group
15:27:47 <wendyreid> ... the impression of a patent policy page comes from a header on the page
15:28:01 <wendyreid> ... we should be able to express that these are all of the terms to join a group
15:28:11 <wendyreid> tzviya: That is where the impression comes from
15:28:23 <wendyreid> ... if  I'm on the join page, I'm already planning to join
15:28:30 <wendyreid> ... maybe it needs to be somewhere earlier
15:28:44 <wendyreid> wseltzer: I'll take it back to look for somewhere to put it
15:28:45 <tzviya> ack ju
15:29:00 <wendyreid> Judy: I wanted to make sure we're clear on what has gone out to the AC
15:29:06 <wendyreid> ... looking back to the GH tracking
15:29:14 <wendyreid> ... this is what's already been sent to the AC
15:29:27 <wendyreid> ... "[text in issue]"
15:29:37 <wendyreid> ... what are we proposing to do here?
15:29:46 <Ralph> [Judy quotes from
15:29:47 <wendyreid> tzviya: Good question
15:29:48 <Ralph> We have added the following guidance to our groups join pages [3] and the calls for participation we send:
15:29:48 <Ralph>  “Please consider diversity when proposing people to participate
15:29:48 <Ralph>   in W3C groups. Representation from a wider group of people,
15:29:49 <Ralph>   especially people from under-represented groups, is vital  for
15:29:49 <Ralph>   creating web standards that meet the needs of the wider web
15:29:49 <Ralph>   community.”
15:29:53 <Ralph> -- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2021JanMar/0009.html
15:29:53 <Ralph> ]]
15:30:02 <wendyreid> jeff: We sent this statement out
15:30:07 <wendyreid> Ralph: On 21 january
15:30:18 <wendyreid> Judy: So it's out, now we have to look at how we amplify it
15:30:45 <wendyreid> jeff: We shared it, but if there's better language, we should update
15:30:58 <wendyreid> tzviya: It's not an imperative
15:31:03 <wendyreid> ... the language could be stronger
15:31:13 <wendyreid> ... sending it out once but doesn't send much of a message
15:31:15 <jeff> q+
15:31:16 <Judy> q+ to note that there was a suggestion for a pledge, do we want to discuss that?
15:31:23 <wendyreid> ... having it part fo the member introductions
15:31:25 <wseltzer> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:31:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/16-pwe-minutes.html wseltzer
15:31:29 <wendyreid> ... part of the onboarding docs
15:31:33 <Judy> s/a pledge/an optional pledge/
15:31:34 <tzviya> ack jeff
15:31:48 <BarbH> +Q
15:31:52 <wendyreid> jeff: I agree that having W3C encouraging this as an imperative, it's just a start
15:31:57 <wendyreid> ... we can change the language
15:32:05 <wendyreid> ... I'm personally very interested in a member pledge
15:32:16 <wendyreid> ... we find language where we encourage members to sign up to something
15:32:32 <wendyreid> ... as long as W3C team saying things and members are passive bystanders, the impact is minimal
15:32:44 <wendyreid> ... if members sign up to it, it creates a different kind of momentum
15:32:45 <tzviya> ack Judy
15:32:45 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to note that there was a suggestion for a pledge, do we want to discuss that?
15:33:01 <wendyreid> Judy: On that same point, I had seen discussion in GH or the mailing list about the pledge
15:33:09 <wendyreid> ... it might amplify the suggestion that the AC recieved
15:33:21 <wendyreid> ... this is being proposed as an optional pledge that member orgs could sign on to
15:33:28 <wendyreid> ... to make a committment to be held accountable
15:33:35 <wendyreid> ... I would welcome feedback
15:33:36 <jeff> [This was Tobie's proposal for a pledge --> https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/18#issuecomment-746539334]
15:33:37 <tzviya> ack bar
15:34:06 <wendyreid> BarbH: High level point, besides asking for a pledge, we need to highlight the benefits of diversity
15:34:18 <wendyreid> ... if we go down the stick route, we don't show the carrot
15:34:20 <wendyreid> ... tracking
15:34:49 <wendyreid> ... open source had communicated their diversity numbers, they were showcasing their numbers were lower than general tech's numbers
15:34:57 <wendyreid> ... is there a way for us to track
15:35:04 <wendyreid> ... how are we moving the needle forward
15:35:15 <wendyreid> ... could we work with other communities like open source
15:35:38 <tink> q+
15:35:48 <wendyreid> tzviya: What are other's thoughts? I'm interested in the carrot, what is the benefit to staying once you are here
15:36:10 <wendyreid> ... some of the things we've not been good at, making this a space where people can air their concerns
15:36:20 <wendyreid> ... one of the original goals of IDCG was to gather data and report on it
15:36:22 <tzviya> ack tink
15:36:36 <wendyreid> tink: Yes, it was one of the first things suggested we do
15:36:45 <wendyreid> ... there was some resistance to it on the mailing list
15:36:50 <wendyreid> ... but I think Barb makes a good point
15:37:08 <wendyreid> ... aiming to do something is all well and good, but without proof we can't show we're heading the right direction
15:37:16 <wendyreid> ... I advocate for more carrot than stick
15:37:59 <wendyreid> ... I've spent many years in the accessibility profession, we used the stick far too much with industry, but instead encouraging them provided different results
15:38:05 <wendyreid> ... matter of professional pride
15:38:10 <tobie> q+ about what we're starting to do in the OpenJS Foundation (survey)
15:38:14 <tzviya> q+ to talk about an inclusivity pledge
15:38:14 <wendyreid> ... making people feel bad doesn't get them very far
15:38:17 <tzviya> ack tobie
15:38:20 <Judy> q+
15:38:39 <wendyreid> tobie: I wanted to point out that we're starting a DEI effort in the OpenJS foundation
15:38:53 <wendyreid> ... how do we do that in an open, respectful way
15:39:10 <wendyreid> ... testing on StackOverflow
15:39:18 <wendyreid> ... happy to bring back how that is going for us
15:39:18 <tzviya> ack tzviya
15:39:18 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to talk about an inclusivity pledge
15:39:34 <wendyreid> BarbH: stackoverflow/data does a good job of that as well
15:39:43 <wendyreid> tzviya: If you have links, please share
15:39:53 <wendyreid> ... maybe take a different view of the pledge
15:40:01 <wendyreid> ... pledging to commit members of my staff is challening
15:40:14 <wendyreid> ... what about a W3C pledge to be more inclusive
15:40:34 <wendyreid> ... ensuring existing members are promising to create a better environment
15:40:35 <chaals> q+ to express some skepticism about pledges as a thing.
15:40:49 <wendyreid> ... we want this to be a positive work environment
15:40:56 <wendyreid> ... a place where everyone can work comfortably
15:40:58 <jeff> q+
15:41:03 <tzviya> ack Judy
15:41:06 <wendyreid> Judy: I think that's interesting
15:41:11 <wendyreid> ... there might be a place for both
15:41:38 <wendyreid> ... pledges can have pitfalls, but I think that W3C commits to being more welcoming and inclusive, it's potentially helpful
15:42:00 <wendyreid> ... I continue to be interested in how our membership can contribute to increasing our diversity
15:42:15 <wendyreid> ... it encourages members to do more
15:42:20 <wendyreid> ... pledges don't have to be used as a stick
15:42:36 <wendyreid> ... a voluntary way to step up and commit to do more
15:42:40 <tzviya> ack chaals
15:42:40 <Zakim> chaals, you wanted to express some skepticism about pledges as a thing.
15:42:49 <BarbH> SlashData - State of Developer Nation - https://www.slashdata.co/free-resources/developer-economics-state-of-the-developer-nation-19th-edition?
15:42:53 <Judy> ack ju
15:43:01 <wendyreid> chaals: I have limited experience with pledges
15:43:05 <wendyreid> ... none of it positive
15:43:18 <wendyreid> ... somewhere between neutral and negative
15:43:25 <wendyreid> ... I'm concerned about asking people to make pledges
15:43:35 <wendyreid> ... puting them in a position where they feel like they must
15:43:48 <wendyreid> ... especially if W3C is not willing to do it first
15:43:58 <wendyreid> ... the idea of a pledge is a serious committment
15:44:05 <wendyreid> ... it's a stressful position to put people in
15:44:17 <wendyreid> ... I'm nervous, and I would not do it
15:44:25 <tzviya> ack jeff
15:44:44 <wendyreid> jeff: +1 to part of what chaals said, whatever we come up with, W3C should be first in line
15:45:04 <wendyreid> ... I think that some of this discussion has gotten a bit sideways because of the wording
15:45:08 <tzviya> zakim, close the queue
15:45:08 <Zakim> ok, tzviya, the speaker queue is closed
15:45:30 <wendyreid> ... the pledge is not necessarily about actions, but intent
15:45:35 <wendyreid> ... we maybe need a new word
15:45:54 <wendyreid> ... we find a way to allow members/companies/individuals to put some skin in the game
15:46:00 <wendyreid> ... this is important to us as wel
15:46:03 <wendyreid> s/wel/well
15:46:10 <tzviya> ack Ralph
15:46:10 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to comment on a slight tangent re: gender pronouns
15:46:50 <Ralph> -> https://www.w3.org/2020/11/17-idcg-minutes.html#t01 17-Nov-2020 IDCG minutes re "Pronouns in W3C bio"
15:46:52 <wendyreid> Ralph: Related question about diversity, the team had asked on collecting pronouns in the user record, so that it could be referenced
15:46:59 <wendyreid> ... I wanted to point to that conversation
15:47:13 <wendyreid> ... there's not an official issue, but the team would like your feedback
15:47:15 <tzviya> zakim, open the queue
15:47:15 <Zakim> ok, tzviya, the speaker queue is open
15:47:24 <wendyreid> ... it has infrastructure impacts
15:47:34 <wendyreid> tzviya: Going back to the pledge for a moment
15:47:49 <Ralph> s/an official  issue/a GitHub open issue/
15:47:52 <wendyreid> ... the bottom line is that we want some concrete actions
15:48:06 <wendyreid> ... forcing an org to commit to specific things can be difficult
15:48:22 <wendyreid> ... I'm not sure how we want to deal with this issue
15:48:34 <wendyreid> ... if we want to close the issue since nomination guidance has been updated
15:48:48 <wendyreid> ... I'm comfortable with closing this issue in favour of opening a new, more specific issue
15:48:55 <wendyreid> zakim, next topic
15:48:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next topic', wendyreid
15:49:00 <wendyreid> zakim, next itm
15:49:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next itm', wendyreid
15:49:03 <wendyreid> zakim, next item
15:49:03 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- PWE reading list - call for assistance with formatting -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:49:14 <wendyreid> tzviya: Right now the reading list is in the PWE repo
15:49:20 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/master/ReferencesAndResources.md
15:49:26 <wendyreid> ... we had some volunteers to help update this
15:49:37 <wendyreid> ... the goal was having 3 people vetting the list
15:49:45 <wendyreid> ... Lola has done some edits
15:49:54 <wendyreid> ... the categories are vague and confusing
15:50:00 <wendyreid> ... the formatting is also confusing
15:50:05 <wendyreid> ... update it to APA formatting
15:50:14 <wendyreid> ... do we have any volunteers to help with that?
15:50:33 <wendyreid> ... once that's done, Lola can add her new additions
15:50:41 <chaals> [If there is a template to follow, I will ovlunteer to do some work on it]
15:50:56 <chaals> s/ovlunteer/volunteer/
15:51:16 <Jemma> q+
15:51:19 <tzviya> ack Jemma
15:51:20 <Ralph> -> https://www.scribbr.com/apa-style/format/ APA format for academic papers and essays
15:51:22 <Judy> [JB Notes that APA formatting can be done automatically by apps such as Zotero]
15:51:45 <BarbH> + Q
15:51:47 <Judy> q+
15:51:56 <chaals> q+ barb
15:52:22 <chaals> [+1 to using a tool designed for the job.]
15:52:30 <Judy> +1 Jemma!
15:52:32 <tzviya> ack Judy
15:52:35 <wendyreid> Jemma: There's an automated way to do it with a generator, but there's concerns of copyright, I can look into it
15:52:46 <Ralph> [I think W3C spec editors use a different specref database and it would be good to not diverge unnecessarily
15:52:51 <Ralph> s/ily/ily]
15:52:52 <wendyreid> Judy: Would be delighted if someone can take it up
15:52:53 <tzviya> ack BarbH
15:53:03 <wendyreid> BarbH: Just on a high level, the concept is great
15:53:23 <wendyreid> ... lead with race but not the inclusion value
15:53:31 <wendyreid> ... why aren't we leading with articles on inclusion
15:54:00 <wendyreid> tzviya: Anything can be added, and Lola and the others will review, but there are a lot of resources
15:54:15 <wendyreid> BarbH: It's not just the articles, but the marketing of the list
15:54:31 <wendyreid> ... it feels like we should be leading with inclusion
15:54:50 <chaals> [Ralph: Noted, but I think that there may be a significant difference between the functionality of SpecRef and other tools designed to maintain bibliographies for a reading list…]
15:54:55 <wendyreid> Jemma: I like Barb's suggestion, we could have categories and assign members to each
15:55:02 <wendyreid> ... build lists that way
15:55:15 <wendyreid> tzviya: we definitely need more articles
15:55:22 <wendyreid> ... leading with inclusion
15:55:44 <wendyreid> ... specref is probably not the right tool
15:55:49 <wendyreid> ... since these aren't specs
15:55:53 <wendyreid> zakim, next item
15:55:53 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, wendyreid
15:56:00 <wendyreid> q?
15:56:19 <wendyreid> ack barb
15:56:28 <wendyreid> zakim, next item
15:56:28 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- AOB -- taken up [from tzviya]
15:57:25 <tobie> [If folks start referencing these documents in specs, I'm fine adding them to Specref; also, I'm considering adding the ability to format Specref output to various citing formats if that proves useful to people]
15:57:51 <wendyreid> tzviya: At our next meeting in 2 weeks, we'll be focusing on the ombuds program
15:58:04 <wendyreid> ... if there's anything you'd like us to focus on, please be in touch
15:58:20 <wendyreid> ... I hope to be able to take some time soon to work on organizing the GH repos
15:58:31 <wendyreid> ... then we can organize the agendas there
15:58:43 <wendyreid> ... there was some discussion on issue 17
15:58:52 <wendyreid> tobie: I took the Linux foundation course
15:58:56 <wendyreid> ... it's aimed at speakers
15:59:01 <wendyreid> ... but also people in the community
15:59:07 <wendyreid> ... better than expected but a bit dated
15:59:08 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/17
15:59:17 <wendyreid> ... I do not know if the software is accessible
15:59:29 <wendyreid> ... if it is, then I'd recommend
15:59:42 <wendyreid> ... I would like it to be more enticing and interesting!
15:59:57 <wendyreid> tzviya: Anyone who knows how to make one that's enticing, please do (or find one)
16:00:12 <wendyreid> tzviya: Thanks everyone!
16:00:22 <tzviya> rrsagent, make minutes
16:00:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/16-pwe-minutes.html tzviya
16:00:30 <Ralph> zakim, end meeting
16:00:30 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ralph, Léonie, (tink), wendyreid, wseltzer, Liz, Terence, BarbaraH, Hobert, Tobie, JudyB, chaals, Nishad, hober, jeff, Jemma,
16:00:33 <Zakim> ... WendySeltzer, !, Q
16:00:33 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
16:00:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/16-pwe-minutes.html Zakim
16:00:36 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Ralph; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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19:51:54 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
19:51:54 <RRSAgent> I see no action items