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15:00:42 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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15:00:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
15:00:48 <trackbot> Date: 11 February 2021
15:00:50 <addison> agendabot, find agenda
15:00:50 <agendabot> addison, OK. This may take a minute...
15:00:50 <agendabot> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Feb/0003.html
15:00:50 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:00:50 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
15:00:50 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
15:00:53 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
15:00:55 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
15:00:57 <agendabot> agenda+ Charmod, String-Meta, etc.
15:01:00 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
15:01:05 <atsushi> present+
15:01:11 <atsushi> (am I in the right room,,,?)
15:02:00 <addison> present+
15:02:11 <addison> present+ Richard
15:02:56 <addison> regrets+ Felix
15:03:05 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:03:09 <addison> scribenick: addison
15:03:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/11-i18n-minutes.html addison
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15:04:34 <atsushi> ah, national foundation day... -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Foundation_Day
15:06:31 <r12a> agenda+ hyphenation
15:06:56 <addison> agenda?
15:07:07 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:07:07 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:07:29 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:07:29 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:07:38 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:08:44 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:08:44 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:09:08 <r12a> Specifying changes to parameters for fallback fonts
15:09:13 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/126
15:09:35 <addison> richard: wanted to mention this
15:09:39 <addison> ... seems to be taking off
15:09:58 <addison> ... modify the metrics of one or more fonts in your font stack when you say font-family
15:10:07 <addison> ... so that they look similar, same height, etc.
15:10:12 <addison> ... useful in a number of ways
15:10:28 <addison> ... such as when ransom noting takes place
15:12:15 <JcK> present+ JcK
15:13:36 <addison> richard: another use case is when you have a webfont but takes a while to appear, so can adjust the fallback font so the page doesn't jump
15:13:51 <addison> ... when the webfont arrives; minimizes the difference
15:14:02 <addison> ... thinking of using @font-face construct
15:14:44 <addison> ... if you say "font-weight:bold" or such, you'd get that; get something like "font-size-override"
15:15:54 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/126#issuecomment-776937823
15:15:55 <atsushi> q+ in Japanese, the most famous issue is not on font size but weight, like within 9 levels (100-900), Mac/Win have only different weight...
15:16:36 <addison> richard: link is from jonathan showing what it might look like
15:17:12 <addison> ack atsushi
15:18:03 <addison> atsushi: CJK fonts are quite large and there are a small number of weights; normally 400 and bold 600 but for same name/category
15:18:56 <addison> ... bold might be encoded with different weight. cannot easily solve this issue without having more weights; quite difficult
15:19:31 <addison> atsushi: there are many things on websites for designers, but mostly guidance "win doesn't have this weight; macos that one"
15:21:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/11-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:24:44 <addison> richard: myles created 5 or 6 new issues; at some point may close 126; each issue for specific values weight, stretch, size, etc.
15:25:42 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:25:42 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:25:51 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
15:27:13 <addison> agenda?
15:27:25 <addison> zakim take up agendum 7
15:27:45 <addison> richard: near the end of last week I was looking into hyphenation
15:27:53 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Ai%3Ahyphenation
15:27:54 <addison> ... and how it works in various non-Latin scripts
15:28:14 <addison> richard: these are issues we're tracking on hyph
15:28:48 <addison> ... malaylam and tamil have no hyphen by do hyph.
15:29:11 <addison> ... someone sent a note since <wbr> is zwsp
15:29:28 <addison> ... I wrote back where break opportunities are
15:29:58 <addison> ... soft hyphen can be useful, e.g. for inserting break positions
15:30:22 <addison> ... the <wbr> element would be a better candidate for malayalam
15:30:36 <addison> ... followed idea that could decorate <wbr>
15:30:53 <addison> ... new property in css4 called hyphenate-character to specify which character to use
15:31:04 <addison> ... proposed could set to empty string/null
15:31:19 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5972
15:31:26 <addison> ... and then raised issue that hyphenation styling could apply to <wbr>
15:31:49 <addison> ... partway towards this, if use soft hyphen
15:32:02 <addison> ... apply same styling if soft hyphen or just browser breaking
15:32:13 <addison> ... but don't mention <wbr>
15:35:57 <addison> (discussion of whether wbr is being overloaded)
15:36:36 <addison> richard: wbr should be same as soft-hyphen
15:37:22 <addison> ... for languages such as malayalam you have a way to provide hyphenation when browsers haven't caught up with providing
15:37:53 <addison> ... this hyphenate-character in css4 could say used at end or beginning of line
15:38:01 <addison> ... or both e.g. for Polish
15:38:09 <addison> ... mongolian uses as beginning of line
15:38:28 <addison> richard: basic ideas
15:38:39 <addison> ... (1) use wbr in word
15:38:53 <addison> ... separate presentation vs. break opportunity
15:39:29 <addison> hyphenate-character can be @lang'ed?
15:39:42 <addison> richard: yes
15:46:20 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Ai%3Ahyphenation
15:47:52 <addison> richard: started putting labels like `i:hyphenate` on issues to help find/group them
15:50:39 <addison> addison: add to the directions for when we're filing issues?
15:50:59 <addison> action: richard: add i: labels to issue filing instructions
15:50:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-995 - Add i: labels to issue filing instructions [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-02-18].
15:51:30 <addison> agenda?
15:52:01 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:52:01 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:52:18 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues
15:52:22 <addison> richard: couple new issues in issue list
15:53:40 <addison> ... add an i:language-tagging?
15:55:45 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#epub
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16:03:09 <addison> richard to review epub issues for any potential problematic closes
16:03:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/11-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:03:19 <addison> zakim, who is here
16:03:19 <Zakim> addison, you need to end that query with '?'
16:03:25 <addison> zakim, who is here?
16:03:25 <Zakim> Present: atsushi, addison, Richard, JcK
16:03:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see kenzo, JcK, najib, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, atsushi, hsivonen, hadleybeeman, Mek_, myles, Bert, astearns, bigbluehat, agendabot, florian, cwilso, sangwhan,
16:03:27 <Zakim> ... cbiesinger, koji, trackbot
16:03:39 <addison> present+ Bert
16:03:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/11-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:03:48 <addison> zakim, bye
16:03:48 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been atsushi, addison, Richard, JcK, Bert
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