13:02:18 RRSAgent has joined #wot 13:02:18 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-irc 13:02:27 Meeting: WoT-IG/WG 13:03:48 Mizushima has joined #wot 13:03:55 chair: McCool 13:04:39 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, Dave_Raggett, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura 13:04:53 dape has joined #wot 13:06:22 scribenick: dsr_ 13:06:29 mlagally has joined #wot 13:07:20 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:08:19 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#10_February_2021 13:08:34 present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch 13:08:49 tksuzuki has joined #wot 13:08:49 Topic: Invited Experts 13:09:20 Philip Blum has been approved Michael Koster's application is still pending 13:09:48 Topic: Approval of minutes 13:10:01 Michael reviews the minutes of last week's call 13:10:21 i|reviews|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/02/03-wot-minutes.html Feb-3| 13:10:58 Any objections to publishing the minutes [no] 13:11:02 Approved. 13:11:15 Topic: Quick updates 13:11:47 Kaz talks about the new Japanese WoT Interest CG 13:12:01 s/Interest/Japanese/ 13:12:36 Mizushima-san gives more details 13:12:51 s/CG/CG. they're planning to hold an online event later February. Mizushima-san could give some more details./ 13:13:15 present+ Christine_Perey, Takahisa_Suzuki 13:13:44 McCool asks if we can update our new Web pages to link to the new CG 13:13:54 q+ 13:14:17 https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/ 13:14:33 Daniel provides some details 13:14:36 https://www.w3.org/WoT/CG 13:14:50 s/https://www.w3.org/WoT/CG/ 13:14:58 mjk has joined #wot 13:15:29 McCool: we should link to the WoT JP CG from our marketing pages 13:15:48 https://www.w3.org/community/wot-jp/ ---> wot-jp cg homepage 13:16:23 s/https/-> https/ 13:16:29 s/--->// 13:16:32 McCool: we were asked to rename our Master path on GitHub to Main. I've tested this in my own fork. 13:16:34 rrsagent, make log public 13:16:38 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:16:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:16:58 People need to update their local copies on their own computers. 13:17:56 McCool: I have a few more things to do and will then draft some detailed instructions. Any PR's against the Master path need to be applied before we do the updates 13:19:00 s/Topic: Quick updates/topic: WoT Japanese CG/ 13:19:27 Michael shows us some of the details 13:19:29 q+ 13:19:32 i/We were asked/topic: Renaming the "master" branches to "main"/ 13:19:33 ack k 13:19:38 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:19:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:20:14 mlagally: what's the purpose, what will happen to the original? 13:20:49 McCool: I think but haven't tested that pending PR's will be automatically rolled over 13:20:55 Cperey_ has joined #wot 13:20:57 i/we were asked/topic: Renaming the "master" branches to "main"/ 13:21:00 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:21:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:21:19 Github has been a little unstable recently ... 13:21:36 So taking things cautiously 13:21:44 Topic: Goals and Objectives 13:21:56 Our CEO, Jeff Jaffe is asking for the objectives we are setting ourselves for this year. This can include our publication roadmap, any workshops we plan to do, measurable progress with our liaisons, and best of all metrics for adoption by industry and targets for member recruitment. 13:21:56 Any idea of how we can answer Jeff? 13:22:41 Some of this is around marketing, and industry outreach 13:22:47 q+ 13:22:51 ack ml 13:23:08 present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura 13:23:15 dezell has joined #wot 13:23:23 present+ David_Ezell 13:23:30 We want to set some achievable objectives according to what we want 13:23:57 McCool: what do we do in respect to contacting industry prospects 13:24:19 q? 13:24:53 Sebastian: we're starting a joint activity with OPC and this should be one of the objectives as an important step for a WoT binding to OPC 13:25:22 McCool: how should we organise this? I could create a markdown file in GitHub? 13:26:06 kaz: this is in relation to how Jeff manages industry sectors via the staff champions 13:26:29 We should clarify the existing targets and expectations 13:26:58 McCool: we need a clear place for where we keep those objectives 13:27:26 He creates an issue to kick this off 13:27:58 ... along with a markdown file "goals.md" 13:28:31 s/expectations/expectations. for example, what I suggested during the marketing call and the use cases call yesterday. extending the timetable for spec generation might be a good starting point./ 13:28:49 ack 13:28:55 s/ack// 13:28:56 ack k 13:28:59 q+ 13:30:04 The issue is #956 "Capture objectives and goals" 13:30:08 https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/956 13:30:12 ack mlagally 13:30:42 mlagally: what is the lowest entry level for compliance with WoT 13:31:03 I believe that we need to have the entry barrier very low 13:32:01 We also need to encourage convergence by the Mozilla web things 13:32:37 McCool: a tutorial would list what components you need to build a WoT compliant solution 13:32:38 s/this is in relation to how Jeff manages industry sectors via the staff champions/W3C Objective is related to the Industry Team and the Industry Champions including Dave for WoT and myself for Smart Cities are in charge of generating the Objectives documents./ 13:33:05 Ege has joined #wot 13:33:24 McCool: we need to raise our visibility and encourage adoption 13:33:53 We're working on our marketing plan with a March 1st milestone 13:33:53 s/We should clarify/what I as the WoT Team Contact would like to ask the group to think about is rather clarifying/ 13:34:38 Ege talks about microcontrollers 13:35:07 McCool: for a product the cheapest device, along with a hub device ... 13:35:23 mlagally: we should talk about this in the architecture call 13:36:05 Sebastian: the Mozilla web thing community meet regularly, and have plans for W3C WoT compliance for 2.0 version 13:36:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:36:48 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-minutes.html dsr_ 13:36:56 q_ 13:36:57 q+ 13:37:03 zkis has joined #wot 13:37:20 s/q_// 13:37:21 q+ to ask about thingweb.io 13:37:29 ack k 13:37:37 kaz: is Ben Francis still leading the Web Things community? 13:37:48 McCool: I think so 13:38:16 present+ Zoltan_Kis 13:38:45 Topic: Plans for joint calls 13:39:10 Michael reviews the pending plans for joint call with external groups 13:39:36 s/call/calls/ 13:40:06 Topic: plugfest and Virtual F2F planning 13:40:11 ack k 13:41:17 dezell: I wanted to ask about thingweb.io, which talks about Raspberry Pi a lot 13:42:09 McCool: we want to provide instructions for running node-wot 13:42:27 s/external groups/external groups, WebThings (Mozilla), Microsoft DTDL, IEC CDD, ... 13:42:41 ... it would be my preference for a reference platform 13:42:53 i/Plans for/kaz: in that case, we can chat with Ben directly too :)/ 13:42:55 q? 13:42:58 ack 13:43:02 s/ack// 13:43:03 ack d 13:43:03 dezell, you wanted to ask about thingweb.io 13:43:28 i/Topic: plugfest and Virtual F2F planning// 13:43:42 https://github.com/tum-esi/wot-sys/tree/master/Devices/ESP-lightsensor esp based lightsensor here 13:43:59 Michael talks about some development hardware options 13:45:22 s/Michael/Michael Koster/ 13:45:26 NodeMCU is based on ESP8266 chip plus WiFi 13:46:30 We should talk about a tutorial for a minimally comformant systems 13:46:44 s/comformant/conformant/ 13:47:04 q? 13:47:29 https://github.com/tum-esi/wot-sys/tree/master/Devices/ESP32-ledSwitch 13:47:37 Further discussion in the plugfest call ... 13:47:53 Sebastian has implemented support in the Lua stack 13:48:37 q+ to suggest we talk about the detail on implementations during the plugfest call again :) 13:48:51 Michael wonders if node-wot can be made to run on small devices 13:49:19 Sebastian: TUM have some baseline implementations 13:49:44 ack k 13:49:44 kaz, you wanted to suggest we talk about the detail on implementations during the plugfest call again :) 13:50:10 https://jerryscript.net/ this would also run an esp32 13:50:17 McCool: We've arranged webex for the face to face, but need to prepare the agenda 13:50:23 We should eventually have a common reference stack for embedded platforms (C/C++) 13:50:49 Kaz: one hour for a joint discussion with IEC 13:51:24 McCool: let's try to arrange the calls with other external groups on the same day 13:51:42 i/We've arranged/topic: F2F planning/ 13:51:55 Each task force needs to add their own agenda topics 13:52:52 McCool asks Michael Koster about joint call on oneDM and ASDF, should this be done in the IETF? 13:53:17 Koster: I don't think there will be time during the IETF meeting 13:54:27 https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/charters/wot-ocpua-2021-charter-draft.md 13:54:46 q+ 13:54:47 Sebastian is proposing a cooperation document and sub group for WoT/OPC 13:55:59 McCool: I think this is essentially about protocol binding, but these are not part of our charter in respect to normative specs 13:56:15 Kaz: informative would be fine for now 13:56:37 -> https://www.w3.org/2020/01/wot-wg-charter.html Charter 13:56:42 ack k 13:57:30 McCool: I have a draft proposal for gelocation and am working with Christian Perry on this 13:57:33 q+ aks for general marketing feedback w.r.t. "is everyone" ok with the current approach 13:57:36 s/for now/for now given the Charter says Protocol Binding is informative. also we can have further discussion during the TD call later today./ 13:57:43 q? 13:58:01 topic: TF reports 13:58:32 Sebastian provides a quick status report from Marketing TF, good progress on web pages 13:58:39 see https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/ and https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues 13:58:57 Launch date for new pages is March 1st 13:59:00 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/118 13:59:12 Please review by end of Feb 13:59:23 s/118/118 wot-marketing issue 118/ 14:00:03 q+ 14:00:14 McCool: we should think about a clean experience for developers new to WoT 14:00:38 q? 14:00:43 ack aks 14:00:43 aks, you wanted to discuss general marketing feedback w.r.t. "is everyone" ok with the current approach 14:00:47 ack aks 14:00:51 ack ml 14:01:24 mlagally: when will we do a resolution on the new pages? 14:01:46 McCool: not today, but definitely to mark that we're comfortable with the launch 14:02:15 Feel free to propose PR's if you have some ideas for improvements 14:02:21 .... end of meeting 14:02:38 rrsagent, make minutes 14:02:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-minutes.html dsr_ 14:02:40 [main call adjourned; PF call starts in 5 mins] 14:02:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:02:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:07:53 McCool has left #wot 15:08:13 Mizushima has left #wot 15:56:03 zkis has joined #wot 16:07:52 Zakim has left #wot 16:31:39 dsr_ has joined #wot 16:45:52 dsr_ has joined #wot 17:55:32 dsr_ has joined #wot 18:14:30 dsr_ has joined #wot 20:15:34 dsr_ has joined #wot 20:32:06 dsr_ has joined #wot 22:02:42 dsr_ has joined #wot