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13:41:47 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:41:47 <trackbot> Date: 10 February 2021
13:42:39 <jasonjgw> agenda+        RAUR: preparing for publication of wide review draft.
13:42:39 <jasonjgw> agenda+        XAUR: discussion prior to preparing for publication of wide review draft.
13:42:42 <jasonjgw> agenda+        W3C Workshop on Wide Color Gamut and High Dynamic Range for the Web (continued).
13:42:45 <jasonjgw> agenda+        Accessibility of remote meetings and relationship with other W3C/WAI deliverables.
13:42:48 <jasonjgw> agenda+        Continuing work on media synchronization.
13:44:16 <jasonjgw> agenda+ "Smart agent" user requirements.
13:44:39 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:44:54 <jasonjgw> present+
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14:01:50 <scott_h> present+
14:02:30 <janina> present+
14:02:49 <janina> scribe: janina
14:03:00 <joconnor> present+
14:03:12 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:03:12 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- RAUR: preparing for publication of wide review draft. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:03:17 <joconnor> JS: I have some administrivia
14:04:03 <janina> TOPIC: Zoom Enhancement for Transcripts Available
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14:04:32 <SteveNoble> present+
14:04:33 <joconnor> JS: We have the ability to Live transcriptions
14:04:51 <joconnor> They are of high quality - better located - TTY scroll
14:05:09 <joconnor> People are liking it - we should have a look and enable it.
14:05:18 <joconnor> SH: How is it turned on?
14:05:24 <joconnor> JS: The host has the power
14:06:03 <joconnor> JP: There is a claim host button
14:06:45 <joconnor> <josh can't do it on mobile>
14:06:56 <joconnor> <John Paton tried>
14:07:13 <joconnor> JS: Lets follow up with Michael.
14:07:15 <JPaton> present+
14:07:21 <joconnor> SH: Good to see a useful solution.
14:07:39 <joconnor> JOC: It is
14:07:59 <joconnor> JS: There is also a CFC on the APA charter coming soon.
14:08:40 <joconnor> JW: Charter looks good
14:08:47 <janina> zakim, next item
14:08:47 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- XAUR: discussion prior to preparing for publication of wide review draft. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:08:57 <joconnor> zakim, take up item 1
14:08:57 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- RAUR: preparing for publication of wide review draft. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:09:37 <janina> jgw: Closing on a few remaining concerns, but moving well
14:10:03 <janina> sh: Remains very good place, just some nits
14:11:25 <janina> jo: Thanks all around!
14:11:39 <janina> jo: Will work on it this week, also on messaging to go with a publication
14:11:48 <janina> jgw: And we'll call for wide review
14:12:27 <janina> jo: How about two weeks for the agenda?
14:12:30 <janina> jgw: OK
14:12:38 <janina> zakim, take up item 2
14:12:38 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- XAUR: discussion prior to preparing for publication of wide review draft. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:12:41 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:12:41 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, jasonjgw
14:13:32 <janina> `jgw: Plan was to move to XAUR review this week again in prep for wide review publication
14:13:39 <janina> jgw: Any questions?
14:14:16 <joconnor> JOC: Janina, dont we need to close the gap with Immersive Web on this?
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14:16:23 <SteveNoble> need to step away from the call for 3 minutes
14:17:35 <janina> jgw: Expectation is XR group can review in parallel with our wide review
14:17:46 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:17:46 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- W3C Workshop on Wide Color Gamut and High Dynamic Range for the Web (continued). -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:18:20 <SteveNoble> I'm back
14:18:42 <janina> jgw: Began discussing last week; expectation we should participate
14:18:44 <joconnor> agenda?
14:19:05 <joconnor> JS: Are we too late for proposals?
14:19:24 <joconnor> JW: Feb 8th was deadline..
14:19:41 <joconnor> JW: What should we do?
14:19:59 <Judy> JB: Might as well try to get a proposal in...
14:20:02 <joconnor> JS: We have two interesting applications here..
14:20:15 <joconnor> Daltonization - and the user agent control of flashing.
14:20:28 <joconnor> We have discussed this is a little on APA planning call
14:20:45 <joconnor> There are others, that we could move into user agent responsibility.
14:20:55 <joconnor> Putting the load on the user agent and not the author.
14:21:08 <joconnor> Michael outlined something sensible with the FAST
14:21:28 <joconnor> We can do a gap analysis a la FAST on this
14:21:41 <joconnor> User agents can support some user needs here.
14:21:52 <joconnor> JB: Is flash mitigation a colour issue?
14:22:01 <joconnor> Daltonization is..
14:22:58 <joconnor> JB: There are computizational aspects here that can be mediated..
14:23:07 <joconnor> The flash issue may be more complex
14:23:21 <joconnor> JS: Especially in Real Time Comms.
14:23:33 <joconnor> JB: It can be done live- I've seen it.
14:24:12 <joconnor> JW: This should be go via APA process
14:24:31 <joconnor> JS: We dont have members with these specific low vision or colour related chops. Scott?
14:24:49 <joconnor> JS: We may bring this up to WAI-CC etc
14:25:08 <joconnor> <discusses liason with other groups and spec review etc>
14:25:17 <joconnor> JB: Bring that up today?
14:25:19 <joconnor> JS: Will do.
14:25:33 <joconnor> q+
14:26:38 <joconnor> JS: Yup, this is an APA thing due to spec review needs.
14:26:44 <joconnor> ack me
14:26:47 <Judy> s/I've seen it./I've seen it. Nice work by Boris Katz and Andrei Barbu at MIT CSAIL on use of a sandbox approach for flash mitigation/
14:27:07 <janina> jo: Suggests pinging Alastair for color issues; also contrast
14:27:22 <joconnor> JOC: Alistair Campelll could be worth talking to about this.
14:27:31 <joconnor> JB: I'd also be interested in talking about this..
14:27:34 <janina> jb: Also interested
14:29:37 <joconnor> JOC: I'll ping Alistair to see if he is interested
14:30:11 <joconnor> ACTION: Josh to ping Alistair C to see if he is interested in contributing to W3C colour workshop
14:30:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2281 - Ping alistair c to see if he is interested in contributing to w3c colour workshop [on Joshue O Connor - due 2021-02-17].
14:33:05 <janina> jo: Will check with Alastair; and JB whether still time
14:33:12 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:33:12 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Accessibility of remote meetings and relationship with other W3C/WAI deliverables. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:34:19 <janina> jgw: Believe we agreed to discuss next steps
14:34:23 <janina> jb: have questions
14:34:52 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Accessibility_of_Remote_Meetings
14:35:28 <janina> jb: notes high number of items on page
14:36:07 <janina> jb: Suggests summary of applicable WCAG guidance; with 2 subsections incl future guidelines -- ssuggest move the latter out
14:38:22 <janina> jb: various item cleanup needed; quality and coverage in current draft uneven
14:38:37 <janina> jb: Looking for funding to assign someone this job
14:38:59 <janina> jb: Whether this could be a Workshop is now an open question
14:39:19 <janina> jb: But, not usable in current state
14:40:10 <janina> jb: Asks SH if available to work on doc
14:41:18 <janina> jb: Several possible approaches to divide and conquer
14:41:34 <janina> sh: Yes, interested
14:41:41 <janina> sh: Constantly asked about this
14:42:11 <janina> sh: Would be delighted, happy to follow guidance
14:42:19 <janina> jb: Thanks!
14:42:27 <janina> jb: Suggests followup conversation
14:42:39 <janina> +1
14:43:23 <janina> jb: Asks any objections?
14:43:33 <janina> jgw: Sounds good
14:44:28 <janina> jb: Looks to define approach
14:45:02 <janina> q+
14:45:56 <janina> jgw: Asks JO for any questions related to RAUR
14:46:01 <joconnor> ack jan
14:46:05 <janina> ack ja
14:46:44 <joconnor> JS: I'm aware that there are new next gen communication platforms, that relate to hyrid meetings.
14:47:01 <joconnor> The industry will want to meet this challenge
14:47:11 <joconnor> JB: Thats a given.
14:47:35 <joconnor> JB: Sounds like you have ideas for this.
14:48:27 <joconnor> SH: In our Perth a11y camp, that will be hybrid event.
14:48:45 <joconnor> I can provide feedback on that.
14:49:06 <janina> sh: Notes will be doing hybrid in a few weeks--will have experience to contribute
14:50:02 <joconnor> JOC: Good to hear feedback from Judy and Scott on this
14:51:01 <janina> jb: Notes that Workshops can be lots of work; so outcomes need to be worth the effort
14:51:13 <janina> jgw: Notes many interdependencies
14:51:42 <janina> jgw: EO, APA, spec WGs at W3C, outside standards and pwd groups, etc
14:52:34 <janina> jb: Would like to continue using this page as a launching platform for ongoing work
14:53:18 <janina> sh: Used wiki to Word, other direction took more time
14:53:31 <janina> sh: when CAPTCH review ...
14:54:06 <janina> jgw: Understand action to revise existing Wiki and also possible event
14:54:41 <janina> jb: Back on agenda in two weeks?
14:55:43 <janina> sh: My event is 23rd
14:55:48 <janina> jb: will look for time
14:56:22 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:56:22 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Continuing work on media synchronization. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:57:02 <janina> jgw: Notes we got lots done, we need to pickit up
14:57:16 <janina> steve: I've been adding to the page; there's more to look at
14:57:37 <janina> steve: So far, just lip reading use case; caption is another issue
14:57:44 <janina> steve: Good research done by BBC
14:58:25 <janina> steve: But BBC research done with regular users of "subtitles" as called in Europe; not individuals whose first language is sign
14:59:02 <janina> steve: Notes distinction among those whose first lang is sl, vs verbal language and its captioning
14:59:25 <janina> steve: Also need to look more at prerecorded vis a vis live
15:00:17 <janina> jb: Asks about EO's doc, whose use is way up ...
15:01:19 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/media/av/
15:01:42 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
15:01:42 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, scott_h, janina, joconnor, SteveNoble, JPaton
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15:01:46 <Judy> Making Audio and Video Media Accessible is a W3C WAI resource, https://www.w3.org/WAI/media/av/
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