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15:00:42 <Ian> Meeting: Web Payments WG
15:00:44 <Ian> Chair: NickTR
15:00:46 <Ian> Scribe: Ian
15:00:56 <Ian> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20210204
15:00:57 <Ian> present+
15:01:11 <Ian> present+ Chris_Dee
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15:03:51 <Ian> present+ Fawad_Nisar
15:03:55 <Ian> present+ David_Benoit
15:04:05 <Ian> present+ Lakshmi_Bulusu
15:04:12 <Ian> zakim, who's here?
15:04:12 <Zakim> Present: Ian, Chris_Dee, Anne_Pouillard, Gerhard, Clinton_Allen, Rolf_Lindemann, Lawrence_Cheng, Fawad_Nisar, David_Benoit, Lakshmi_Bulusu
15:04:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see Gerhard, RRSAgent, Zakim, clinton, pea13, canton_, Travis_, jeffh, mkwst, falken_, ntelford, hadleybeeman, dlehn, slightlyoff, tobie, nicktr, hober, joconnor, manu,
15:04:14 <Zakim> ... dlongley, mhofman, rowan_m, yoav, danyao, Ian
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15:05:58 <Ian> regrets+ Adrian_Hope-Bailie
15:06:13 <Ian> topic: Payment Request API Update
15:06:56 <nicktr> scribenick: nicktr
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15:07:37 <nicktr> ian: we concluded our CFC for moving Payment Request
15:07:56 <Ian> present+ John_Bradley
15:08:02 <nicktr> ...there was support from the group but there were two objections from non-members
15:08:21 <nicktr> ...so the next step is to prepare the transition request
15:09:46 <nicktr> ...but we also got feedback on some privacy issues and we have added some text which will be included in subsequent CFCs
15:10:47 <nicktr> ...and we got further feedback on the incremental address request mechanism
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15:11:09 <nicktr> ...usage data suggests that it isn't really used (this is centred around shipping address)
15:11:56 <nicktr> ian: so that's a question from the group - how important are the address features of PR?
15:13:41 <Ian> present+ John_Fontana
15:14:17 <Gerhard> q+
15:14:21 <Ian> ack Gerhard
15:14:26 <Ian> scribenick: Ian
15:14:40 <Ian> Gerhard: From an issuer perspective, we've heard very little interest from banks to manage shipping addresses.
15:19:27 <Ian> q+
15:19:45 <nicktr> ack Ian
15:20:13 <nicktr> ian: I18n group reached out and have offered a new review
15:21:09 <Ian> david: For shipping address, I found it valuable to be able to get a verified address from a payment app (e.g., PayPal)
15:21:17 <Ian> ...that helped in fraud analysis
15:21:24 <Ian> ...I do understand the privacy considerations
15:21:41 <Ian> ...I don't think that incremental requesting for address will be useful
15:21:57 <Ian> ...as a merchant you know in advance whether you need the full address
15:22:11 <Ian> ...you will know from the cart contents whether you need to ship something
15:22:34 <Ian> ...the user will need to provide payment and a shipping address. As a merchant you know that a shipping address will be required.
15:22:48 <Ian> ..the complexity has everything to do with the shipping address and the total (taxes, duties, shipping costs, etc.)
15:23:34 <Ian> ...as much as it would be valuable for the merchant to receive verified address, I see the appeal of not complicating the API with that back and forth.
15:24:12 <Ian> ChrisDee: I would agree with that as well. If browsers want to provide shipping address functionality, that could be handled as a separate API.
15:25:08 <Ian> present+ Gavin_Shenker
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15:27:57 <Ian> Ian: I expect to get more information from browser vendors on options here.
15:28:46 <Ian> topic: Multiday Meeting
15:28:57 <Ian> -> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-FTF2021 Draft agenda
15:29:11 <Ian> PROPOSED: Dates of multiday meeting 29 March - 2 April
15:29:48 <Ian> ...likely as we did last time: 8am PT each day for 2 hours
15:30:02 <Ian> NickTR: We've heard from EMVCo and FIDO that they have no conflicts on those dates
15:30:11 <Ian> ....does anyone else here know of conflicts?
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15:33:08 <Ian> q+
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15:34:16 <nicktr> ack Ian
15:36:27 <nicktr> q+
15:36:37 <Ian> ack nick
15:36:58 <Ian> nicktr: The merchant bg may also incubate some use cases
15:37:34 <Ian> NickTR: Maybe vouchers for discussion
15:37:49 <nicktr> ack q?
15:37:51 <clinton> q+
15:37:51 <Ian> ..and I'd also like to talk about v2 features
15:37:53 <Ian> ack clin
15:38:16 <Ian> q+ to explain levels :)
15:38:27 <nicktr> ack Ian
15:38:27 <Zakim> Ian, you wanted to explain levels :)
15:38:48 <nicktr> Ian: some specifications are only additive (e.g. CSS)
15:39:18 <nicktr> ...in this case, "level" is additional capability
15:41:37 <clinton> +1
15:41:38 <Fawad> +1
15:41:38 <Ian> Support for 29 March - 2 April meeting dates?
15:41:43 <nicktr> +1
15:41:45 <Anne> +1
15:41:51 <Ian> John Fontana: We can find a date for WebAuthn session
15:42:02 <Gavin> +1
15:42:05 <Ian> JohnFontana: =1
15:42:08 <Ian> JohnFontana:+1
15:42:12 <Vaishali> +1
15:42:48 <Chris_Wood> 2nd April is a public holiday in the UK
15:43:36 <Ian> FIX: 1 April end date
15:43:50 <Chris_Wood> +1
15:44:57 <nicktr> Chris_Dee +1
15:45:53 <Ian> Topic: Add PayPak to card network identifier list
15:46:13 <Ian> -> https://www.w3.org/Payments/card-network-ids card network identifier list
15:47:06 <nicktr> ian: we have a lightweight process to add additional identifier
15:47:25 <Ian> PROPOSED: Add PayPak to the card identifier list
15:47:27 <nicktr> ...I heard back from 3 different card networks that PayPak is a valid scheme
15:48:06 <nicktr> ...note that our approval is not a guarantee
15:48:11 <Ian> [Hearing no objections]
15:48:22 <Ian> RESOLVED: Add PayPak to the card network identifier list
15:48:30 <Ian> ACTION: Ian to add PayPak to the list and notify the requestor,.
15:48:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/04-wpwg-minutes.html Ian
15:48:40 <Ian> Topic: Next meeting
15:48:44 <Ian> 18 Feb
15:48:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/04-wpwg-minutes.html Ian
15:49:17 <Ian> rrsagent, set logs public
15:49:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/04-wpwg-minutes.html Ian
15:50:15 <Ian> rrsagent, bye
15:50:15 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2021/02/04-wpwg-actions.rdf :
15:50:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ian to add PayPak to the list and notify the requestor,. [1]
15:50:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/02/04-wpwg-irc#T15-48-30
15:50:17 <Ian> zakim, bye
15:50:17 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Ian, Chris_Dee, Anne_Pouillard, Gerhard, Clinton_Allen, Rolf_Lindemann, Lawrence_Cheng, Fawad_Nisar, David_Benoit,
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