IRC log of pronunciation on 2021-02-03

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Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 03 February 2021

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Agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements

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Agenda+ Technical Approach document https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/technical-approach/

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Agenda+ Other Business

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present+

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present+

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zakim, who is here?

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Present: IrfanA, paul_grenier, Roy, Dee, janina, JF, Irfan, becky, SteveNoble_, shadi, SteveNoble

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On IRC I see IrfanA, Irfan_, becky, RRSAgent, paul_grenier, MichaelC, Zakim, trackbot

14:53:53 [IrfanA]

agenda?

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zakim, who is here?

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Present: IrfanA, paul_grenier, Roy, Dee, janina, JF, Irfan, becky, SteveNoble_, shadi, SteveNoble

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On IRC I see IrfanA, Irfan_, becky, RRSAgent, paul_grenier, MichaelC, Zakim, trackbot

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Chair: Paul Grenier & Irfan Ali

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zakim, agenda?

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:

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1. Agenda Review & Announcements [from paul_grenier]

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2. Technical Approach document https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/technical-approach/ [from paul_grenier]

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3. Other Business [from paul_grenier]

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zakim, who is here?

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Present: IrfanA, paul_grenier, Roy, Dee, janina, JF, Irfan, becky, SteveNoble_, shadi, SteveNoble

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On IRC I see tom_babinszki, IrfanA, RRSAgent, paul_grenier, MichaelC, Zakim, trackbot

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Present+

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agenda?

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present+

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present+

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present+

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present+

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Scribe: JF

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Zakim, take up item 1

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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from paul_grenier]

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present+

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IA: any announcments?

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JS: nothing much here. noted that the doc is getting ready for publication.

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JS: Charter issues are with a different group at APA

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\IA: we're doing well. On track re: timelines

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zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- Technical Approach document https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/technical-approach/ -- taken up [from paul_grenier]

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IA: some changes are bing made - but asking for wider review

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PG: I have some proposed changes local - will need to figure out how to merge

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IA: is there a schema elsewhere that we can just link to? Rather than adding the schema into the document?

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MH: not sure what W3C policy is there

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JS: that's a M. Cooper question for later today

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MH: we should be able to point to the external doc

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JS: that allows the two documents to advance independantly

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NS: but that maigh t have a negative impact too

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MH: we need to define this

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JS: can add this as an appendix

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MH: that's the approach I am taking now

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NS: why do we need a schema for the singular approach?

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PG: not so much a schema but a list of elements. Anything that could have more than one attribute - we need something of a namespaciong mechanism

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MH: tried to get that as specific as possible for the multi-attribute model

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IA: like Mark's idea - are we good with it?

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IA: we need to publish a sample page for testing/demo purposes

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NS: we need to ensure parity to SSML spec. Now that everything is really spelled out, have concern there may be a divergence

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we might get o9ut of sync with SSML

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...so maybe we should just do the reference

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MH: the issue is that we need to be explicit about the mapping

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NS: we can just do a reference...

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MH: started to do that in a few places (say-as): some of the attribute values are defined in a separate W3C note

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... so every instance needs a hard link to the appropriate spec or note

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... but there shold be a source "readable" version in our spec

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NS: think it's important to reference specific sections

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MH: stopping editting for now - need to leave it to settle

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...let Paul add his edits, then ask M. Cooper or Roy to ensure prooper W3C formatting

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PG: most of my edits are the prose section - using Plain Language tools to try and achieve more readable specs (ref: WCAG 3 et. al)

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...don't anticipate needing to touch any of the code examples

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MH: re: sample pages - we need to extract out the code examples for both approaches into a single sample page for testing purposes (include the RAven example)

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IA: is github the best place to host those pages?

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MH: best place to maintain them , yes

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PG: ...exporting the same files... (???)

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[discussion about exporting/Alexa/audio files]

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MH: will take that as an action item (Irfan and mark)

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IA: as far as wide review - who/how?

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JS: APA calls for the review, and does the publishing. As to who we reach out to - we need to discuss

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...Shawn Henry has some resources about messaging etc. Will share URL on list shortly

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...but we need to start filling out the forms - who do we want to reach, how (twitter, blog posts, etc.)

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...Judy will be quite interested about this. She will anticipate we've already spoken to Shawn

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MH: recalls that we need to document implementations

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Q+

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We have one example already (TextHelp), plus some experimental PoC's

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...so collecting implementations is importatn

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IA: agree - very important point

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Messaging guidance is here:

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https://www.w3.org/wiki/WAI/announcements

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... is this something that we can template?

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MH: thinks we can do by reference

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MH: we need to be practical about this

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JF: the policy at w3c is any specific advances to recommendation, you need to ave two implementation.

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JS: we must have 2 independant examples of each (RFC 2119) MUST requirement

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janina: little correction.. two out of 5

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JF: this is a must have

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MH: propose a wiki page to collect implementations at this time

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key point for this in timeline is CR (for examples)

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IA: do we need APA support for request for implementations?

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JS: no - can go ahead and just "do it"

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IA: Shawn is aware of this work - will reach out to her

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JS: I posted the URL

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IA: sounds like we have a plan. We need to publish by end of Feb - believe we are on schedule

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IA: will joind APA call to ask MCooper aqbout eh Schema questions

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zakim, next item

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I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, IrfanA

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q?

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q?

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ack JF

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zakim, next item

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agendum 3 -- Other Business -- taken up [from paul_grenier]

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/03-pronunciation-minutes.html IrfanA

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JS: nothing from me

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JF: created a wiki page and it is in my list of things to do to identify the venues to post about the development

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https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/Socialization

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JF: not the size so much as the attendees

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zakim, end meeting

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As of this point the attendees have been IrfanA, paul_grenier, Roy, Dee, janina, JF, Irfan, becky, SteveNoble_, shadi, SteveNoble, NeilS, tom_babinszki

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/03-pronunciation-minutes.html Zakim

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I am happy to have been of service, JF; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see no action items