14:04:48 RRSAgent has joined #pronunciation 14:04:48 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/02/03-pronunciation-irc 14:04:50 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:04:53 Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference 14:04:53 Date: 03 February 2021 14:05:02 becky has joined #Pronunciation 14:10:02 Agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements 14:10:09 Agenda+ Technical Approach document https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/technical-approach/ 14:10:14 Agenda+ Other Business 14:16:34 present+ 14:53:08 Irfan_ has joined #pronunciation 14:53:32 IrfanA has joined #pronunciation 14:53:43 present+ 14:53:49 zakim, who is here? 14:53:49 Present: IrfanA, paul_grenier, Roy, Dee, janina, JF, Irfan, becky, SteveNoble_, shadi, SteveNoble 14:53:51 On IRC I see IrfanA, Irfan_, becky, RRSAgent, paul_grenier, MichaelC, Zakim, trackbot 14:53:53 agenda? 14:54:04 zakim, who is here? 14:54:04 Present: IrfanA, paul_grenier, Roy, Dee, janina, JF, Irfan, becky, SteveNoble_, shadi, SteveNoble 14:54:07 On IRC I see IrfanA, Irfan_, becky, RRSAgent, paul_grenier, MichaelC, Zakim, trackbot 14:54:25 Chair: Paul Grenier & Irfan Ali 14:59:45 tom_babinszki has joined #pronunciation 15:01:52 zakim, agenda? 15:01:52 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda: 15:01:53 1. Agenda Review & Announcements [from paul_grenier] 15:01:53 2. Technical Approach document https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/technical-approach/ [from paul_grenier] 15:01:53 3. Other Business [from paul_grenier] 15:01:57 zakim, who is here? 15:01:59 Present: IrfanA, paul_grenier, Roy, Dee, janina, JF, Irfan, becky, SteveNoble_, shadi, SteveNoble 15:01:59 On IRC I see tom_babinszki, IrfanA, RRSAgent, paul_grenier, MichaelC, Zakim, trackbot 15:02:49 JF has joined #pronunciation 15:02:55 Present+ 15:02:58 agenda? 15:03:17 NeilS has joined #pronunciation 15:03:28 present+ 15:04:42 Dee has joined #pronunciation 15:04:47 present+ 15:05:25 mhakkinen has joined #pronunciation 15:06:52 janina has joined #pronunciation 15:06:56 present+ 15:07:14 present+ 15:07:24 Scribe: JF 15:07:33 Zakim, take up item 1 15:07:33 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from paul_grenier] 15:07:35 SteveNoble_ has joined #pronunciation 15:07:45 present+ 15:10:27 IA: any announcments? 15:10:47 JS: nothing much here. noted that the doc is getting ready for publication. 15:11:00 JS: Charter issues are with a different group at APA 15:11:19 \IA: we're doing well. On track re: timelines 15:11:22 zakim, next item 15:11:22 agendum 2 -- Technical Approach document https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/technical-approach/ -- taken up [from paul_grenier] 15:11:46 IA: some changes are bing made - but asking for wider review 15:12:04 PG: I have some proposed changes local - will need to figure out how to merge 15:12:42 IA: is there a schema elsewhere that we can just link to? Rather than adding the schema into the document? 15:12:54 MH: not sure what W3C policy is there 15:13:13 JS: that's a M. Cooper question for later today 15:13:33 MH: we should be able to point to the external doc 15:13:49 JS: that allows the two documents to advance independantly 15:14:00 NS: but that maigh t have a negative impact too 15:14:24 MH: we need to define this 15:14:32 JS: can add this as an appendix 15:14:40 MH: that's the approach I am taking now 15:14:58 NS: why do we need a schema for the singular approach? 15:15:31 PG: not so much a schema but a list of elements. Anything that could have more than one attribute - we need something of a namespaciong mechanism 15:16:13 MH: tried to get that as specific as possible for the multi-attribute model 15:17:10 IA: like Mark's idea - are we good with it? 15:17:27 IA: we need to publish a sample page for testing/demo purposes 15:18:01 NS: we need to ensure parity to SSML spec. Now that everything is really spelled out, have concern there may be a divergence 15:18:10 we might get o9ut of sync with SSML 15:18:26 ...so maybe we should just do the reference 15:18:40 MH: the issue is that we need to be explicit about the mapping 15:19:03 NS: we can just do a reference... 15:19:35 MH: started to do that in a few places (say-as): some of the attribute values are defined in a separate W3C note 15:19:51 ... so every instance needs a hard link to the appropriate spec or note 15:20:09 ... but there shold be a source "readable" version in our spec 15:20:33 NS: think it's important to reference specific sections 15:20:58 MH: stopping editting for now - need to leave it to settle 15:21:39 ...let Paul add his edits, then ask M. Cooper or Roy to ensure prooper W3C formatting 15:22:16 PG: most of my edits are the prose section - using Plain Language tools to try and achieve more readable specs (ref: WCAG 3 et. al) 15:22:44 ...don't anticipate needing to touch any of the code examples 15:23:20 MH: re: sample pages - we need to extract out the code examples for both approaches into a single sample page for testing purposes (include the RAven example) 15:23:36 IA: is github the best place to host those pages? 15:23:43 MH: best place to maintain them , yes 15:24:17 PG: ...exporting the same files... (???) 15:25:01 [discussion about exporting/Alexa/audio files] 15:25:13 MH: will take that as an action item (Irfan and mark) 15:25:44 IA: as far as wide review - who/how? 15:26:03 JS: APA calls for the review, and does the publishing. As to who we reach out to - we need to discuss 15:26:30 ...Shawn Henry has some resources about messaging etc. Will share URL on list shortly 15:26:51 ...but we need to start filling out the forms - who do we want to reach, how (twitter, blog posts, etc.) 15:27:11 ...Judy will be quite interested about this. She will anticipate we've already spoken to Shawn 15:27:42 MH: recalls that we need to document implementations 15:27:44 Q+ 15:28:02 We have one example already (TextHelp), plus some experimental PoC's 15:28:14 ...so collecting implementations is importatn 15:28:24 IA: agree - very important point 15:28:30 Messaging guidance is here: 15:28:31 https://www.w3.org/wiki/WAI/announcements 15:28:45 ... is this something that we can template? 15:28:53 MH: thinks we can do by reference 15:29:13 MH: we need to be practical about this 15:30:28 JF: the policy at w3c is any specific advances to recommendation, you need to ave two implementation. 15:30:34 JS: we must have 2 independant examples of each (RFC 2119) MUST requirement 15:30:52 janina: little correction.. two out of 5 15:31:02 JF: this is a must have 15:31:18 MH: propose a wiki page to collect implementations at this time 15:31:50 key point for this in timeline is CR (for examples) 15:32:24 IA: do we need APA support for request for implementations? 15:32:35 JS: no - can go ahead and just "do it" 15:32:48 IA: Shawn is aware of this work - will reach out to her 15:32:54 JS: I posted the URL 15:33:36 IA: sounds like we have a plan. We need to publish by end of Feb - believe we are on schedule 15:34:30 IA: will joind APA call to ask MCooper aqbout eh Schema questions 15:35:10 zakim, next item 15:35:10 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, IrfanA 15:35:19 q? 15:35:20 q? 15:35:23 ack JF 15:35:29 zakim, next item 15:35:29 agendum 3 -- Other Business -- taken up [from paul_grenier] 15:35:43 rrsagent, make minutes 15:35:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/03-pronunciation-minutes.html IrfanA 15:35:53 JS: nothing from me 15:37:01 JF: created a wiki page and it is in my list of things to do to identify the venues to post about the development 15:37:05 https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/Socialization 15:39:01 JF: not the size so much as the attendees 15:39:46 zakim, end meeting 15:39:46 As of this point the attendees have been IrfanA, paul_grenier, Roy, Dee, janina, JF, Irfan, becky, SteveNoble_, shadi, SteveNoble, NeilS, tom_babinszki 15:39:49 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 15:39:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/03-pronunciation-minutes.html Zakim 15:39:51 I am happy to have been of service, JF; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 15:39:55 Zakim has left #pronunciation 15:40:06 janina has left #pronunciation 15:40:12 RRSAgent, bye 15:40:12 I see no action items