IRC log of apa on 2021-02-03

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 03 February 2021
16:51:22 [becky]
zakim, agenda?
16:51:22 [Zakim]
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
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9. APA Rechartering https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2021/charter.html [from janina]
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10. Other Business [from janina]
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11. be done [from janina]
16:51:32 [becky]
zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
16:51:36 [becky]
zakim, agenda?
16:51:36 [Zakim]
I see nothing on the agenda
16:52:26 [becky]
agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
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agenda+ APA Rechartering Begins -https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2021/charter.html
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agenda+ Task Force Updates
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agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22%22
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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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agenda+ CSS Checkin (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
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agenda+ Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
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agenda+ Other Business
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present+
17:00:29 [becky]
chair: becky
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present+
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present+
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present+
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regrets: Matthew Atkinson, Léonie Watson
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present+
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Present+
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agenda?
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present+
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zakim, who's here?
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Present: Matthew_Atkinson, paul_grenier, JPaton, IanPouncey, amy_c, Irfan, janina, Ela, becky, Jonny_James, JF, NeilS
17:03:11 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Garth, tom_babinszki, JF, IanPouncey, paul_grenier, amy_c, NeilS, JPaton, RRSAgent, becky, stevelee, janina, tink, Zakim, ZoeBijl, slightlyoff, MichaelC, joconnor,
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... manu, ada, Rachael, cwilso, trackbot
17:03:47 [paul_grenier]
trackbot, start meeting
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 03 February 2021
17:03:58 [paul_grenier]
zakim, agenda?
17:03:58 [Zakim]
I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. Agenda Review & Announcements [from becky]
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2. APA Rechartering Begins -https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2021/charter.html [from becky]
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3. Task Force Updates [from becky]
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4. New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22%22 [from becky]
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5. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from becky]
17:04:00 [Zakim]
6. CSS Checkin (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from becky]
17:04:00 [Zakim]
7. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open [from becky]
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8. Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from becky]
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9. Other Business [from becky]
17:04:10 [paul_grenier]
scribe: paul_grenier
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zakim, who is here?
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Present: Matthew_Atkinson, paul_grenier, JPaton, IanPouncey, amy_c, Irfan, janina, Ela, becky, Jonny_James, JF, NeilS
17:04:27 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Jonny_James, Garth, tom_babinszki, JF, IanPouncey, paul_grenier, amy_c, NeilS, JPaton, RRSAgent, becky, janina, tink, Zakim, ZoeBijl, slightlyoff, MichaelC, joconnor,
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... manu, ada, Rachael, cwilso, trackbot
17:04:46 [Jonny_James]
present+
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present+
17:06:36 [paul_grenier]
(introductions)
17:09:24 [tom_babinszki]
present+
17:10:53 [paul_grenier]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from becky]
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present+
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present+
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present+
17:11:28 [paul_grenier]
zakim, close this item
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I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, paul_grenier
17:11:35 [becky]
q+
17:11:43 [paul_grenier]
ack JF
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ack JF, becky
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q?
17:11:53 [paul_grenier]
zakim, next item
17:11:53 [Zakim]
I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, paul_grenier
17:11:54 [becky]
ack becky
17:11:59 [becky]
q+
17:12:07 [paul_grenier]
zakim, take up item 2
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agendum 2 -- APA Rechartering Begins -https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2021/charter.html -- taken up [from becky]
17:12:14 [Irfan]
ack becky
17:12:47 [paul_grenier]
becky: we need to take some time on this call to review
17:13:15 [paul_grenier]
becky: last week we talked about scope (reads out of scope)
17:13:23 [paul_grenier]
becky: any discussion?
17:14:16 [paul_grenier]
becky: (reads personalization)
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Q+ to comment on 2.2: Other Deliverables
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17:15:11 [paul_grenier]
becky: (reads pronunciation)
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becky: any discussion?
17:16:29 [paul_grenier]
becky: (reads other deliverables)
17:17:05 [paul_grenier]
becky: these are the non-normative documents we may create
17:17:39 [paul_grenier]
JF: we've already delivered (some) maur and captcha
17:18:08 [paul_grenier]
janina: we have some updates planned but we can add a note
17:19:06 [paul_grenier]
JF: we can clarify this section, making it more accurate, I don't see the zaur or raur as well, might be worth mentioning
17:19:24 [Gottfried]
present+
17:19:26 [paul_grenier]
janina: maybe we want a more generic statement with examples
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MichaelC: some are omitted due to completion
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JF: what if we said ongoing maintenance of documents like:... ?
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17:22:49 [paul_grenier]
becky: we need to update the timeline
17:23:25 [paul_grenier]
MichaelC: I broke it up into categories
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Supporting documents for Personalization such as Personalization Semantics Explainer and Requirements for Personalization Semantics, etc.;
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Supporting documents for Pronunciation such as Explainer: Improving Spoken Presentation, Pronunciation Gap analysis and use cases, Pronunciation User Scenarios, best practices, etc.;
17:27:13 [MichaelC]
Supporting resources for Specification Review such as Framework for Accessible Specification of Technologies and FAST checklist, Reviews of web technology specifications sent to maintaining entities and Working Group Notes to formalize accessibility knowledge on specific topics as the need arises;
17:27:14 [MichaelC]
Accessibility User Requirements such as Media Accessibility User Requirements and others;
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Research reports addressing, as needed, gaps identified during accessibility reviews of draft specifications, and/or technical questions emerging through other aspects of accessibility reviews;
17:27:21 [MichaelC]
Test suite and implementation reports for normative specifications;
17:30:38 [paul_grenier]
becky: the rest is all boilerplate and hasn't changed much
17:32:04 [paul_grenier]
(minor changes to w3c groups section)
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q?
17:32:18 [paul_grenier]
becky: any other external organizations we need to coordinate with?
17:32:53 [paul_grenier]
ack JF
17:32:53 [Zakim]
JF, you wanted to comment on 2.2: Other Deliverables
17:32:55 [becky]
ack JF
17:33:57 [paul_grenier]
(adding ITU)
17:34:12 [becky]
https://www.itu.int/en/Pages/default.aspx
17:35:18 [paul_grenier]
becky: there's a new patent policy we have to accept once the charter is accepted
17:35:48 [paul_grenier]
becky: that process will kick everyone out of the group and you'll have to rejoin
17:35:55 [paul_grenier]
janina: in July
17:37:44 [paul_grenier]
janina: we're dropping COGA which we co-manage to simplify the administration but it doesn't mean we're dropping their participation or input they provide important expertise
17:39:55 [paul_grenier]
janina: COGA will continue to work with AGWAG to help get their input into wcag3. For emerging specification we will continue to need their help. They were instrumental in creating the personalization task force.
17:41:20 [paul_grenier]
janina: I will join the COGA call to discuss, if anyone else wants to bring up opinions there will be a call for consensus
17:41:51 [paul_grenier]
NeilS: do we know why COGA doesn't participate in the APA calls?
17:42:45 [paul_grenier]
janina: they've been very busy with wcag. They had a choice and most aren't apa members. We need their support in APA, I recommend we coordinate with a liason.
17:42:53 [JF]
Q+ to ask about other TF's under AG WG
17:43:21 [paul_grenier]
ask JF
17:43:21 [becky]
ack JF
17:43:21 [Zakim]
JF, you wanted to ask about other TF's under AG WG
17:44:04 [paul_grenier]
JF: do we want a more formal description of the work arrangements?
17:44:49 [paul_grenier]
janina: agree. I think that's a Judy question. Something we raise, Michael to discuss.
17:45:43 [paul_grenier]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from becky]
17:45:57 [paul_grenier]
zakim, take up item 3
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agendum 3 -- Task Force Updates -- taken up [from becky]
17:46:31 [paul_grenier]
becky: personalization did meet and we're working through our open issues to produce our first CR for content module
17:47:05 [paul_grenier]
janina: research questions is coming together and it's very active
17:47:30 [Irfan]
https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/technical-approach/
17:47:50 [paul_grenier]
Irfan: we have a specific question, the technical approach document from pronunciation, we have included a JSON schema. What are the formatting standards?
17:48:33 [paul_grenier]
MichaelC: i recommend making it an external file and linking it in the same folder or publish it somewhere else. With aria we published in a non-TR location.
17:48:56 [JF]
Q+
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ack JF
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17:51:25 [MichaelC]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/schemata/
17:51:26 [paul_grenier]
JF: publishing all taxonomy terms in wcag21 were listed so maybe it would help to publish those separately to it can move between documents, Michael, can you explain that?
17:52:04 [paul_grenier]
MichaelC: schemas are all published under /schemata a common registry of terms would be helpful we should coordinate with the other groups.
17:52:21 [paul_grenier]
JF: can we take that as an action item?
17:52:49 [paul_grenier]
MichaelC: it's really an AG thing but we can address it
17:53:27 [paul_grenier]
MichaelC: the topic of registries has come up so we want to coordinate
17:53:45 [paul_grenier]
JF: I'd personally like to get involved
17:54:29 [paul_grenier]
zakim, take up item 8
17:54:29 [Zakim]
agendum 8 -- Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from becky]
17:54:49 [JF]
ACTION: JF to resurface common repository discussion early March. Due March 7, 2021
17:54:50 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2280 - Resurface common repository discussion early march. due march 7, 2021 [on John Foliot - due 2021-02-10].
17:54:53 [paul_grenier]
becky: I filed an issue for paul's comments
17:55:15 [becky]
Issue #1557 for Web Auth w3c/webauthn: Issue #1557
17:55:17 [paul_grenier]
zakim, take up item 4
17:55:17 [Zakim]
agendum 4 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22%22 -- taken up [from becky]
17:55:33 [MichaelC]
-> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/machine-learning-charter/main/charter.html Web Machine Learning WG draft charter
17:56:08 [paul_grenier]
MichaelC: I was asked if we would review it, it might be too low level or of interest to APA
17:56:19 [paul_grenier]
janina: can we come back to this next week?
17:56:30 [paul_grenier]
MichaelC: that might be too late, it's supposed to go to management very soon
17:56:53 [paul_grenier]
janina: I'd prefer to err on the side of we care rather than we don't care
17:57:24 [becky]
explainer: https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webnn/blob/master/explainer.md
17:58:35 [paul_grenier]
janina: we can ask Jason to review that charter, Josh can you follow up with him?
17:59:43 [paul_grenier]
joconnor: the color worshop
18:00:10 [becky]
https://www.w3.org/Graphics/Color/Workshop/cfp.html
18:00:13 [paul_grenier]
janina: call for participation is Monday
18:00:30 [paul_grenier]
RRSAgent, make logs public
18:00:34 [paul_grenier]
RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/03-apa-minutes.html paul_grenier
18:03:48 [becky]
agenda?
18:04:00 [becky]
zakim, clear agenda
18:04:00 [Zakim]
agenda cleared
18:04:06 [becky]
rrsagent, bye
18:04:06 [RRSAgent]
I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2021/02/03-apa-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: JF to resurface common repository discussion early March. Due March 7, 2021 [1]
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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/02/03-apa-irc#T17-54-49