IRC log of wot-sec on 2021-02-01

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Meeting: WoT Security
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Oliver_Pfaff
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regrets+ Elena_Reshetova
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topic: Prev minutes
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-> Jan-25
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mm: would be better to add titles for issues/PRs...
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@@@kaz will add titles
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mm: (goes through the sections on apikeys from the editor's draft)
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present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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topic: WIP: add URI template location for security scheme parameters #1032
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-> PR 1032
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mm: (explains the points)
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-> McCool's comments
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"securityDefinitions": {
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"template": {
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"scheme": "uri",
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"uriVariables": {
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"ID" : { "type": "string", "@type": "SecurityID" },
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"KEY" : { "type": "string", "@type": "SecurityKey" }
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(example above)
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mm: (adds some more comments in response to the comments from Cristiano and Ege)
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... (put a "uri_key" entry, a "uri_id" entry and a combo entry to a new example)
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s/editor's draft/editor's draft of the Thing Description spec/
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mm: (shoes the ED of the TD spec again)
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-> Thing Description Editor's Draft - APIKeySecurityScheme
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-> McCool's updated comments including the new example of the combo security
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mm: go with the "name" option
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topic: Consider security issues in Discovery #196
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-> Issue 196
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-> related PR - Update SPARQL DDoS ed note #107
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s/relate PR/relate PR for wot-discovery/
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-> Section 7. Security and Privacy Considerations
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mm: (shows the related PR 107 for WoT Discovery and its preview)
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... (and then goes back to the Issue 196 itself)
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... (adds comments)
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... location may be implicit
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... if a TD simply *appears* in a directory, then we know the Thing is in range (e.g. of WiFi) so it can register with the TDD
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... (adds some more comments)
13:44:48 [kaz]
... in general, "disabling" geolocation for personal devices may be necessary, although it still is useful for institutional use cases
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... another option would be to use a "code generator" to generate IDs (perhaps in combination with encrypted TDs) that is synchronized between the device and another application available to the user
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... so, for example, a user could use an app on their laptop to generate the current ID and then do a discovery search to find the location of their car, which had registered an encrypted TD with tat (rotating) ID with a discovery service.
13:48:14 [kaz]
kaz: yeah, this discussion is very important for security purposes
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... note that we should be get ready for the privacy review at some point (within 6 months)
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mm: yeah
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... we need to work on this
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... probably we need to allow "nosec" although it's probably a very bad idea except for development use cases.
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... we could perhaps add an assertion that "if a TDD service is available to anyone other than the developer and supports registration of third-party TDs then it MUST NOT use the "nosec" scheme
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topi: AOB
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mm: aob?
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13:52:14 [McCool]
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate kaz
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