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15:09:18 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF
15:09:39 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Cristiano_Aguzzi
15:09:57 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Michael_McCool
15:10:05 <sebastian> topic: Minute check from last week
15:10:10 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/2021/01/20-wot-td-minutes.html
15:10:27 <kaz> sk: quick look at issues
15:10:37 <kaz> ... postponing some of them to v2
15:10:41 <kaz> ... some PRs
15:10:57 <kaz> ... including ReSpec errors
15:11:09 <kaz> ... also relation types
15:11:33 <kaz> ... cardinality
15:11:42 <kaz> ... still ongoing
15:11:57 <kaz> ... then security
15:12:06 <kaz> mm: yes
15:12:26 <kaz> sk: then multiple op values
15:13:12 <kaz> ... and several issues
15:14:45 <kaz> ... reliability
15:14:56 <kaz> mm: need an expert
15:15:16 <kaz> kaz: I'm now contacting the IEC expert as well
15:16:19 <kaz> mm: related to geolocation and time series data
15:16:28 <kaz> sk: ok
15:16:38 <kaz> ... we'll continue the discussion
15:16:53 <sebastian> any objections to bring the minutes to public?
15:16:55 <sebastian> no
15:17:01 <kaz> approved
15:17:20 <kaz> topic: Defer issue to TD 2.0
15:17:35 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Defer+to+TD+2.0%22 Issues marked as 2.0
15:17:51 <kaz> sk: let me know if any problems
15:17:58 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
15:17:58 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Michael_McCool
15:18:10 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
15:18:24 <kaz> topic: PRs
15:19:11 <kaz> s/topic: PRs//
15:19:15 <kaz> topic: PR 1038
15:19:19 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1038 PR 1038
15:19:36 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1036 related issue 1036
15:20:00 <kaz> sk: we can't change the TD REC itself
15:20:02 <kaz> q+
15:20:19 <kaz> ... this is a tentative URL
15:20:43 <kaz> mm: this PR itself wouldn't solve the actual problem?
15:21:14 <kaz> ... do we want to use one specific schema for both v 1.0 and v 1.1?
15:21:24 <kaz> ... having two ones separately would make sense
15:21:34 <kaz> ca: right
15:22:01 <kaz> ege: combo schema should be also removed then?
15:22:58 <kaz> q?
15:24:04 <kaz> ack k
15:24:50 <kaz> kaz: if we really need to update the 1.0 REC for implementations, we need to update the 1.0 REC
15:24:56 <kaz> ... but if not, we don't have to do so
15:25:09 <kaz> ... and having a separate schema for v 1.1 is fine
15:25:37 <kaz> ... note that at some point maybe in 2 years, there is a possibility we even might want to deprecate the v1.0 REC
15:25:45 <kaz> ... so we should think about our timeline as well
15:25:55 <kaz> s/v 1.1/v1.1/
15:26:40 <kaz> sk: (adds comments to PR 1038)
15:27:59 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1038#issuecomment-768363336 Sebastian's comments
15:28:39 <kaz> topic: PR 1031
15:28:56 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1031 PR 1031
15:29:36 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/mmccool/wot-thing-description/pull/1031.html#apikeysecurityscheme Preview of 5.3.3.6 APIKeySecurityScheme
15:30:09 <kaz> sk: (goes through section 5.3.3.1)
15:30:31 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/mmccool/wot-thing-description/pull/1031.html#securityscheme Preview of 5.3.3.1 SecurityScheme
15:30:39 <kaz> mm: think it's ready to merge
15:31:31 <kaz> sk: (merges it)
15:31:57 <kaz> prsent+ Michael_Koster
15:32:15 <kaz> topic: PR 1032
15:32:19 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1032 PR 1032
15:33:14 <kaz> mm: (goes through his recent comments)
15:33:29 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1032#issuecomment-766835622 McCool's comments
15:34:47 <dape> q+
15:34:52 <kaz> mm: not ready for merge and would update it
15:35:30 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/mmccool/wot-thing-description/pull/1032.html#apikeysecurityscheme Preview of 5.3.3.6 APIKeySecurityScheme
15:38:43 <kaz> kaz: the first row is broken
15:38:56 <kaz> mm: will fix it as well
15:39:41 <kaz> ... working on it
15:39:55 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
15:39:55 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
15:40:25 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster, Farshid_Tavakoizadeh
15:40:33 <kaz> (Farshid joins)
15:41:00 <kaz> sk: note that we've just talked about your PR 1038
15:41:13 <kaz> i/PR 1038/topic: PR 1038 (revisited)/
15:41:25 <kaz> ft: can the schema upper compatible?
15:41:57 <kaz> mm: we can bug-fix it if needed but not really upper compatible
15:43:28 <dape> ack dape
15:44:45 <McCool> q+
15:45:43 <kaz> mm: we need some unified validation mechanism
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15:46:14 <kaz> ... but having the two different schemas would make sense
15:46:22 <kaz> ... though we need to fix bugs
15:47:40 <kaz> ... from my viewpoint, accepting the two schemas is OK
15:47:57 <kaz> sk: then I'll remove the comment inside the "Files changed"
15:48:24 <McCool> q+
15:49:06 <McCool> ack m
15:49:24 <McCool> I feel we should use a w3c URL for the schema, not github
15:49:37 <cris> +1 also from my side... also full github address with the commit hash is super long :)
15:55:18 <kaz> kaz: I don't really recognize any concrete/big differences whether the resources are installed on the W3C server or installed on GitHub with a redirection from some W3C URL
15:55:33 <kaz> (we need to discuss our policy a bit more)
15:56:03 <kaz> topic: PR 1024
15:56:07 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1024 PR 1024
15:56:36 <kaz> sk: comments from Jan Romann, a student from Carsten's lab
15:57:20 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1024#issuecomment-767449507 Sebastian's response to Jan's comments
15:58:20 <kaz> sk: wo kind of imports are necessary:
15:58:20 <kaz> an "extend" import to have the full definition of an other existing TM. For that the link container can be used with 'rel=extend'
15:58:20 <kaz> an import mechanism that allows to import sub-definitions of other existing TMs. This is the direction that is explained here.
15:58:30 <kaz> s/an "/... an "/
15:58:40 <kaz> s/an import/... an import/
16:00:43 <kaz> -> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-asdf-sdf-01#section-4.4 ASDF - 4.4 sdfRef
16:00:51 <McCool> q+
16:01:48 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/168
16:01:55 <Ege> q+
16:01:57 <kaz> mm: we just do Thing Model and use TD for instanciation
16:02:19 <kaz> sk: need to leave now...
16:02:31 <kaz> ege: can postpone till the next call
16:03:09 <kaz> ... but there is a related issue 168
16:03:14 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/168 Issue 168
16:03:29 <kaz> ege: import/extend functionality in TD
16:04:50 <kaz> sk: Thing Model is used to generate a valid TD
16:05:13 <kaz> mm: let's continue the discussion using GitHub, etc.
16:05:15 <kaz> sk: ok
16:05:24 <kaz> ... let's continue the discussion next week
16:05:29 <kaz> [adjourned]
16:05:32 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
16:05:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:05:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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