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16:57:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
16:57:50 <trackbot> Date: 27 January 2021
16:57:52 <janina> agenda?
16:57:55 <janina> Chair:  Janina
16:57:55 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
16:57:55 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Updates
16:57:55 <janina> agenda+ FAST Progress
16:57:55 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
16:57:58 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:58:01 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
16:58:03 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
16:58:06 <janina> agenda+ Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
16:58:09 <janina> agenda+ APA Rechartering https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2021/charter.html
16:58:11 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
16:58:14 <janina> agenda+ be done
16:59:07 <janina>  /me I'm on my way. Another minute or so
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17:00:24 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
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17:01:59 <Irfan> present+
17:02:00 <janina> present+
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17:02:16 <paul_grenier> scribe: paul_grenier
17:02:34 <becky> present+
17:02:38 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:02:38 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
17:03:03 <paul_grenier> janina: I trimmed a few items from the agenda to get to our draft charter
17:03:30 <paul_grenier> janina: any additions or changes or items of news?
17:03:57 <paul_grenier> becky: I've accepted another position outside of Knowbility. Hopefully, I'll stay as co-chair.
17:05:15 <paul_grenier> Matthew_Atkinson: quick update, I had a look at the personalization repo and I'll get in touch with Joshua as needed
17:05:22 <janina> topic: Open CfC
17:05:30 <becky> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2021Jan/0000.html
17:06:14 <paul_grenier> janina: we send to apa-admin so it's readable by everyone but only writable by apa members
17:06:54 <paul_grenier> janina: we only use it for things like voting
17:07:21 <paul_grenier> janina: I have a question about the first item
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17:08:55 <JF> Present+
17:09:27 <paul_grenier> paul_grenier: the goal was to not allow for people to be excluded by their differences, I can take a compromise to not require only 1 biometric facet
17:10:07 <paul_grenier> janina: there's emerging wcag guidance we should sync with that
17:10:50 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: their guidance is generic
17:11:14 <paul_grenier> JF: (reading 3.3.7 strictly about coga)
17:12:07 <JF> Q+ to ask about WAI resources regarding biometrics
17:12:09 <paul_grenier> janina: since this is a point release and it's not new major features, I propose we recast this and turn the biometrics into "must support multiple" and note that additional requirements are emerging
17:12:29 <paul_grenier> janina: they should plan on supporting any new guidance
17:12:58 <paul_grenier> JF: i don't think there's anything specific about biometrics
17:13:04 <paul_grenier> janina: CAPTCHA does
17:13:09 <paul_grenier> JF: we should point to that then
17:14:41 <paul_grenier> JF: "should not" instead of "must not" makes this a recommendation and doesn't sound normative
17:15:07 <JF> ack me
17:15:07 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask about WAI resources regarding biometrics
17:15:09 <paul_grenier> becky: so it needs reworded as "single biometric factor"
17:15:18 <paul_grenier> janina: note the 2019 CAPTCHA note
17:15:28 <paul_grenier> becky: do we include COGA notes or not?
17:15:42 <paul_grenier> janina: I think we give them a heads up, John can you drop the pointer?
17:16:28 <JF> Link to emergent WCAG 2.2 SC: https://w3c.github.io/wcag/guidelines/22/#accessible-authentication
17:16:29 <becky> WCAG 2.2  SC 3.3.7: https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/#accessible-authentication
17:16:31 <paul_grenier> janina: when we send out the decision we cc the main list and we track it in the wiki
17:17:13 <paul_grenier> JF: becky and I pointed to different versions, I wouldn't point to the TR yet (use the editors draft)
17:17:57 <paul_grenier> JF: since there's nothing in wcag speaking to biometrics now can we pass that suggestion along to agwag?
17:18:40 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: we're not taking new guidelines for 2.x only for 3 right now. I don't think we need a formal request, someone can just bring it up.
17:19:00 <paul_grenier> JF: where would one bring it up?
17:20:14 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: with agwag in context of wcag 3
17:21:20 <paul_grenier> janina: first working draft released last week
17:21:29 <Matthew_Atkinson> Here's a pointer to WCAG 3 (via W3C's 'blog): https://www.w3.org/blog/2021/01/wcag-3-fpwd/
17:21:37 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:21:37 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Task Force Updates -- taken up [from janina]
17:21:59 <paul_grenier> janina: RQTF met with internet of things today
17:22:35 <paul_grenier> janina: it was very productive, was everyone able to attend who wanted to?
17:23:04 <paul_grenier> janina: any other Tf updates?
17:23:05 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:23:05 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- FAST Progress -- taken up [from janina]
17:23:55 <janina> q?
17:24:28 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: Josh and I have been working on FAST separately. Josh is working on content for functional requirements and AURs I'm working on a way to store and output this info. I hope I can demo soon (1-2 weeks).
17:24:49 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:24:49 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
17:25:10 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: only one, from the browser testing and tools WG (recharter)
17:25:17 <MichaelC> https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/browser-testing-tools.html
17:26:23 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: I don't personally have any comments
17:26:32 <paul_grenier> janina: anyone with a concern?
17:26:36 <paul_grenier> janina: we can pass on it
17:26:38 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:26:38 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
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17:27:19 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: two pubs wcag 3.0 and requirements for wcag 3.0
17:27:25 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag-3.0/ W3C Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 3.0
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17:27:44 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag-3.0-requirements/ Requirements for WCAG 3.0
17:29:01 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: I don't have any comments, do we want apa review? We want a wide review but we don't typically review from accessibility groups.
17:29:17 <paul_grenier> janina: everyone should read and file comments as individuals (end of Feb deadline)
17:29:30 <paul_grenier> janina: does APA itself want to review?
17:29:48 <paul_grenier> everyone: silence
17:30:11 <paul_grenier> janina: there are some radically different things, so please provide your individual feedback
17:30:27 <paul_grenier> becky: lots of overlap in membership
17:30:30 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:30:30 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
17:30:51 <paul_grenier> zakim, take up item 5
17:30:51 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
17:31:15 <JF> agenda?
17:32:03 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:32:03 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
17:32:25 <paul_grenier> amy_c: I have two I'd like us to look at
17:32:40 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/30
17:33:16 <paul_grenier> amy_c: first is a spec review for css timing function which is out of date now (2018) when you go to it it's called css easing functions which is a candidate recommendation
17:33:30 <paul_grenier> janina: are there other levels of this coming (level 1)
17:33:41 <paul_grenier> amy_c: last editor's draft was January, it's still active
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17:34:21 <paul_grenier> janina: let's look to see if we have any issues in the latest draft whichever version it's pointing to
17:35:12 <paul_grenier> amy_c: they may have changed it from timing to easing to convey it's about animations rather than timeouts
17:36:30 <paul_grenier> IanPouncey: yes it's about mathematics of animation while it has an impact on accessibility it's not specific to this document
17:36:34 <paul_grenier> janina: so I think we pass on this
17:36:52 <paul_grenier> IanPouncey: there's no accessibility implications between the different functions
17:37:05 <paul_grenier> janina: no need to review
17:37:19 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/32
17:37:51 <paul_grenier> amy_c: a suggestion about having a pseudo class for role
17:38:29 <paul_grenier> amy_c: James closed an ARIA ticket for this so it's moved to CSS WG
17:38:52 <paul_grenier> JF: we should track it
17:39:47 <paul_grenier> amy_c: seems like a use case is for EPUB dealing with fallbacks from missing namespace role attributes
17:40:16 <paul_grenier> amy_c: (reading) there needs to be an api for computed role
17:40:45 <JF> Q+
17:40:56 <paul_grenier> IanPouncey: computed role selector would apply to implied semantics as well as role attribute
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17:41:53 <paul_grenier> janina: has CSS agreed to discuss this?
17:42:12 <paul_grenier> becky: it was sent to us from ARIA
17:42:39 <paul_grenier> janina: we should open an issue and raise it with CSS
17:43:29 <paul_grenier> JF: does this blur lines between the classic separation of concerns?
17:44:18 <paul_grenier> IanPouncey: (example) looking for all headings you'd need to create a selector with role=heading as well as h1-h6 this would allow you to write a selector based on the computed role
17:44:43 <paul_grenier> IanPouncey: you don't want styles based on arbitrary appearance but on the semantics
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17:45:30 <paul_grenier> janina: we should calendar discussion, so let's open the issue
17:47:07 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:47:07 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, paul_grenier
17:47:11 <janina> q?
17:47:14 <paul_grenier> ack JF
17:47:15 <janina> ack jf
17:47:15 <JF> ack me
17:47:17 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:47:17 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
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17:48:10 <paul_grenier> JF: I had an action to look at the template for the minutes, I'm about 65% complete. I've noted a best-practice there is some content that's not inside a landmark.
17:49:17 <paul_grenier> JF: the new design does a good job for visual structure and I like it, I still need to review it in a screen reader.
17:49:25 <paul_grenier> janina: I haven't noticed any difference
17:49:37 <paul_grenier> JF: we should adopt it and encourage others to do so
17:49:45 <paul_grenier> janina: is the background a concern
17:50:03 <paul_grenier> JF: it's not an issue, color contrast was good throughout
17:51:27 <paul_grenier> JF: we can provide feedback that the background should not zoom but otherwise good to go
17:51:34 <MichaelC> w3t-sys@w3.org
17:51:58 <paul_grenier> MichaelC: the people on that list will either be the maintainers or know who the maintainers are
17:52:12 <paul_grenier> JF: I'll write up a draft response from APA in the next few days
17:52:51 <JF> Example of new minutes design: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/scribe2/master/sample-public.html
17:53:41 <JF> ACTION: Draft a response to Bert Boss and w3t-sys@w3.org
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17:53:44 <paul_grenier> zakim, next item
17:53:44 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
17:54:02 <JF> ACTION: JF to Draft a response to Bert Boss and w3t-sys@w3.org
17:54:03 <paul_grenier> zakim, close this item
17:54:03 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
17:54:04 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:54:04 <Zakim> 9. APA Rechartering https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2021/charter.html [from janina]
17:54:10 <trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker.  Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
17:54:11 <paul_grenier> zakim, take up 9
17:54:11 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up 9', paul_grenier
17:54:14 <paul_grenier> zakim, take up item 9
17:54:14 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- APA Rechartering https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2021/charter.html -- taken up [from janina]
17:54:57 <paul_grenier> becky: (reading scope)
17:57:34 <paul_grenier> janina: spoken presentation is a better name than pronunciation maybe we should change it
17:58:20 <JF> Q+
17:59:50 <paul_grenier> JF: I'm opposed to the change
18:01:34 <paul_grenier> JF: what about eml emotional markup language
18:01:51 <paul_grenier> janina: bring it up, if eml can help us all the better
18:02:25 <paul_grenier> RRSAgent, make logs public
18:02:29 <paul_grenier> RRSAgent, make minutes
18:02:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/27-apa-minutes.html paul_grenier
18:02:37 <JF> EML: https://www.w3.org/TR/emotionml/
18:03:34 <paul_grenier> RRSAgent, make minutes
18:03:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/27-apa-minutes.html paul_grenier
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