IRC log of aria-apg on 2021-01-26

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CHAIR: Matt King
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MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/26-aria-apg-minutes.html mck
18:53:14 [Jemma]
agenda+ Setup and review agenda
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agenda+ Meeting frequency, roadmap, and agenda planning
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agenda+ PR burndown
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agenda+ Other Github Issues if time permits
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agenda 2
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agendum 2 -- Meeting frequency, roadmap, and agenda planning -- taken up [from Jemma]
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Discuss agenda planning strategy:
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How to ensure meetings help move most important work forward
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When to make time to discuss how to work better, improve task force health, etc.
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How to better balance between detailed discussions of design and code vs prioritization and coordination of work
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Discuss priorities:
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Quality of current content vs new content
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PR burndown
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Issue burndown
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Redesign and aria-at data integration
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Ways of increasing velocity:
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Growing membership (possibly through community group)
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Improving how we work
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Contracted contributors (Bocoup)
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car: would you ask bocoup to review some of issue?
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mck: example can be opininated.. consensus driven is important for taskforce.
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mck: we should not contract out core missions
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jongund: how about managing "mobile compatibility" for example?
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car: we can say like
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....
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mck: we may need to work others like EO
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mck: I am proposing 2/15 kick off meeting with bocoup, 90min meeeting
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meetingn on Feb 15
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s/15/16
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mck:Matt discusss the idea of converting TF to community group
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present+ jongund
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car: slider example has challenge because there is missing API.
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siri: all examples should work for mobile.
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They are using <input type="range"...>
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https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.1/components/forms/
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q+
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q-
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jon: any documentation for mobile support?
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mck: there is mobile support under "important notes" for each example.
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car: my proposal is to add red and visibvle note - the example which is problematic for mobile.
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+1
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jon: we need to figure out what we are going to do common problems for the slider example like a separate meeting.
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car: it can be like ARIA deep dive meeting.
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mck: I am open to that idea - small group discussion to resolve the pending issues.
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and come back to APG to get approval.
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mck: how do we operationalize that?
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jon: I am willing to recruite people and invite them to example discussion.
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... I can be charge of that particular work.
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+1
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mck: can name be the focus group or name of example group?
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r
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resolution: Jon will lead the focus group meeting for each APG example.
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Mck: Matt will send out 90min meeting annoucement with Bocoup
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agenda item 3
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'item\ 3' does not match any agenda item, Jemma
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zakim, take up agenda 3
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agendum 3 -- PR burndown -- taken up [from Jemma]
19:34:09 [carmacleod]
scribe: carmacleod
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https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1699
19:35:32 [carmacleod]
mck: need people to look at this PR. Seems good to me. External people are waiting on it.
19:37:10 [Jemma]
jon and carmacleod will reivew issue 1699 before the final merge.
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mck: it will be great to be done before this week so that I can merge
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mck: will merge with 2 approving reviews
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jongund: Question: for a spinbutton, which is similar to slider, it was ok to use buttons on mobile. But not ok to use on slider?
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mck: since we're going to go in the direction of using html inputs, etc, soon, why don't we just start now?
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mck: create a separate example, keep the warning notes, show how to use html range input?
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mck: document how we're using it?
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jemma: is that beyond scope of apg?
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jongund: it won't show up in the list of examples because no use of aria, but we can force that...
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mck: thing is, we are planning to increase our scope
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mck: need to be careful about "different groups giving different guidance for the same things"
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mck: but since we are going to consolidate, maybe that's ok
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mck: or maybe we're just getting ahead of ourselves?
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jemma: my concern is that each taskforce explain the same point differently and users have a burden of cross checking which one is correct one.
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that is why APG is focusing on APG first, rather than html examples
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mck: navigation tree view was merged
19:51:27 [jongund]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/update-menubar-nav/examples/menubar/menubar-navigation.html
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https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1612
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mck: there are some conflicts
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mck: some of the wording around high contrast, focus staying on menubar
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mck: I think we can get this one done this week
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jemma: I think 1614 is ready for review
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https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1614
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summary of meeting
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mck: Moving to weekly meetings, next call is Feb 2
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1) going weekly meeting
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2)slider example meeting
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3) kick off meeting on feb/26
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/26-aria-apg-minutes.html Jemma
20:01:06 [MarkMccarthy]
zakim, who is here?
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Present: mck, Jemma, MarkMccarthy, carmacleod, jongund
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On IRC I see siri, carmacleod, jongund, MarkMccarthy, RRSAgent, Zakim, mck, jamesn, Jemma, zcorpan_, ZoeBijl, MichaelC, github-bot, trackbot
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s/going/APG will have
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regrets+ SarahHigley, JamesN, BryanGaraventa
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regrets- SarahHigley, BryanGaraventa