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18:50:42 <mck> present+
18:50:50 <mck> CHAIR: Matt King
18:51:18 <mck> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
18:51:22 <Jemma> present+
18:51:26 <mck> rrsagent, make minutes
18:51:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/26-aria-apg-minutes.html mck
18:53:14 <Jemma> agenda+ Setup and review agenda
18:53:25 <Jemma> agenda+ Meeting frequency, roadmap, and agenda planning
18:53:38 <Jemma> agenda+ PR burndown
18:54:06 <Jemma> agenda+ Other Github Issues if time permits
18:54:10 <Jemma> agenda?
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19:06:32 <Jemma> zakim, take up agenda 2
19:06:32 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Meeting frequency, roadmap, and agenda planning -- taken up [from Jemma]
19:07:41 <Jemma> Discuss agenda planning strategy:
19:07:41 <Jemma> 
19:07:41 <Jemma> How to ensure meetings help move most important work forward
19:07:41 <Jemma> When to make time to discuss how to work better, improve task force health, etc.
19:07:41 <Jemma> How to better balance between detailed discussions of design and code vs prioritization and coordination of work
19:09:26 <Jemma> Discuss priorities:
19:09:26 <Jemma> 
19:09:26 <Jemma> Quality of current content vs new content
19:09:26 <Jemma> PR burndown
19:09:27 <Jemma> Issue burndown
19:09:27 <Jemma> Redesign and aria-at data integration
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19:10:10 <Jemma> Ways of increasing velocity:
19:10:10 <Jemma> 
19:10:10 <Jemma> Growing membership (possibly through community group)
19:10:10 <Jemma> Improving how we work
19:10:11 <Jemma> Contracted contributors (Bocoup)
19:11:17 <Jemma> car: would you ask bocoup to review some of issue?
19:12:04 <Jemma> mck: example can be opininated.. consensus driven is important for taskforce.
19:12:10 <siri> present +
19:12:41 <Jemma> mck: we should not contract out core missions
19:13:13 <Jemma> jongund: how about managing "mobile compatibility" for example?
19:13:23 <Jemma> car: we can say like
19:13:47 <Jemma> ....
19:14:28 <Jemma> mck: we may need to work others like EO
19:15:16 <Jemma> mck: I am proposing 2/15 kick off meeting with bocoup, 90min meeeting
19:15:44 <Jemma> meetingn on Feb 15
19:15:54 <carmacleod> s/15/16
19:17:08 <Jemma> mck:Matt discusss the idea of converting TF to community group
19:17:35 <jongund> present+ jongund
19:18:51 <Jemma> car: slider example has challenge because there is missing API.
19:19:08 <Jemma> siri: all examples should work for mobile.
19:19:51 <siri> They are using <input type="range"...>
19:20:14 <siri> https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.1/components/forms/
19:20:38 <Jemma> q+
19:21:01 <Jemma> q-
19:21:25 <Jemma> jon: any documentation for mobile support?
19:21:45 <Jemma> mck: there is mobile support under "important notes" for each example.
19:23:00 <Jemma> car: my proposal is to add red and visibvle note - the example which is problematic for mobile.
19:23:42 <siri> +1
19:25:47 <Jemma> jon: we need to figure out what we are going to do common problems for the slider example like a separate meeting.
19:25:59 <Jemma> car: it can be like ARIA deep dive meeting.
19:26:36 <Jemma> mck: I am open to that idea - small group discussion to resolve the pending issues.
19:27:05 <Jemma> and come back to APG to get approval.
19:27:46 <Jemma> mck: how do we operationalize that?
19:28:28 <Jemma> jon: I am willing to recruite people and invite them to example discussion.
19:28:54 <Jemma> ... I can be charge of that particular work.
19:28:59 <siri> +1
19:30:27 <Jemma> mck: can name be the focus group or name of example group?
19:30:38 <Jemma> r
19:32:02 <Jemma> resolution: Jon will lead the focus group meeting for each APG example.
19:33:04 <Jemma> Mck: Matt will send out 90min  meeting annoucement  with Bocoup
19:33:32 <Jemma> agenda?
19:34:01 <Jemma> zakim, take up agenda item 3
19:34:01 <Zakim> 'item\ 3' does not match any agenda item, Jemma
19:34:07 <Jemma> zakim, take up agenda 3
19:34:07 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- PR burndown -- taken up [from Jemma]
19:34:09 <carmacleod> scribe: carmacleod
19:34:24 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1699
19:35:32 <carmacleod> mck: need people to look at this PR. Seems good to me. External people are waiting on it.
19:37:10 <Jemma> jon and carmacleod will reivew issue 1699 before the final merge.
19:37:29 <Jemma> mck: it will be great to be done before this week so that I can merge
19:38:01 <carmacleod> mck: will merge with 2 approving reviews
19:39:48 <carmacleod> jongund: Question: for a spinbutton, which is similar to slider, it was ok to use buttons on mobile. But not ok to use on slider?
19:42:50 <carmacleod> mck: since we're going to go in the direction of using html inputs, etc, soon, why don't we just start now?
19:44:06 <carmacleod> mck: create a separate example, keep the warning notes, show how to use html range input?
19:45:21 <carmacleod> mck: document how we're using it?
19:45:33 <carmacleod> jemma: is that beyond scope of apg?
19:46:13 <carmacleod> jongund: it won't show up in the list of examples because no use of aria, but we can force that...
19:46:29 <carmacleod> mck: thing is, we are planning to increase our scope
19:47:52 <carmacleod> mck: need to be careful about "different groups giving different guidance for the same things"
19:48:27 <carmacleod> mck: but since we are going to consolidate, maybe that's ok
19:48:40 <carmacleod> mck: or maybe we're just getting ahead of ourselves?
19:48:43 <Jemma> jemma: my concern is that each taskforce explain the same point differently and users have a burden of cross checking which one is correct one.
19:49:37 <Jemma> that is why APG is focusing on APG first, rather than html examples
19:50:35 <Jemma> mck: navigation tree view was merged
19:51:27 <jongund> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/update-menubar-nav/examples/menubar/menubar-navigation.html
19:52:09 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1612
19:52:18 <carmacleod> mck: there are some conflicts
19:56:18 <carmacleod> mck: some of the wording around high contrast, focus staying on menubar
19:56:36 <carmacleod> mck: I think we can get this one done this week
19:57:30 <carmacleod> jemma: I think 1614 is ready for review
19:57:32 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1614
19:59:22 <Jemma> summary of meeting
19:59:29 <carmacleod> mck: Moving to weekly meetings, next call is Feb 2
19:59:29 <Jemma> 1) going weekly meeting
19:59:33 <Jemma> 2)slider example meeting
20:00:22 <Jemma> 3) kick off meeting  on feb/26
20:00:37 <Jemma> rrsagent, make minutes
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20:01:06 <MarkMccarthy> zakim, who is here?
20:01:06 <Zakim> Present: mck, Jemma, MarkMccarthy, carmacleod, jongund
20:01:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see siri, carmacleod, jongund, MarkMccarthy, RRSAgent, Zakim, mck, jamesn, Jemma, zcorpan_, ZoeBijl, MichaelC, github-bot, trackbot
20:01:25 <Jemma> s/going/APG will have
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