14:53:52 RRSAgent has joined #wpwg 14:53:52 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/01/21-wpwg-irc 14:53:58 Meeting: WPWG 14:54:14 Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20210121 14:54:26 Scribe: Ian 14:55:04 Chair: NickTR 14:57:19 Matt has joined #wpwg 14:59:57 present+ Clinton_Allen 15:00:01 present+ Ian_Jacobs 15:00:28 present+ Anne_Pouillard 15:00:50 Tm has joined #wpwg 15:00:51 present+ Lauren_Jones 15:01:07 vkuntz has joined #wpwg 15:01:09 present+ Matt_Lockyer 15:01:13 present+ Jonathan_Grossar 15:01:20 Gerhard has joined #wpwg 15:01:21 present+ Vincent_Kuntz 15:01:27 present+ 15:01:40 present+ Fawad_Nisar 15:01:45 present+ 15:02:19 Fawad has joined #wpwg 15:02:20 zakim, who's here? 15:02:20 Present: Clinton_Allen, Ian_Jacobs, Anne_Pouillard, Lauren_Jones, Matt_Lockyer, Jonathan_Grossar, Vincent_Kuntz, vkuntz, Fawad_Nisar, Gerhard 15:02:22 On IRC I see Fawad, Gerhard, vkuntz, Tm, Matt, RRSAgent, Zakim, clinton, pea13, canton, benoit, dlehn, mkwst, falken_, slightlyoff, tobie, hadleybeeman, nicktr, hober, joconnor, 15:02:22 ... jeffh, Travis_, manu, dlongley, mhofman, rowan_m, yoav, danyao, Ian 15:02:25 present+ Nick_Telford-Reed 15:02:46 jonathan has joined #wpwg 15:03:24 present+ Danyao_Wang 15:03:30 present+ John_Fontana 15:03:33 present+ Chris_Wood 15:03:57 zakim, who's here? 15:03:57 Present: Clinton_Allen, Ian_Jacobs, Anne_Pouillard, Lauren_Jones, Matt_Lockyer, Jonathan_Grossar, Vincent_Kuntz, vkuntz, Fawad_Nisar, Gerhard, Nick_Telford-Reed, Danyao_Wang, 15:04:00 ... John_Fontana, Chris_Wood 15:04:01 On IRC I see jonathan, Fawad, Gerhard, vkuntz, Tm, Matt, RRSAgent, Zakim, clinton, pea13, canton, benoit, dlehn, mkwst, falken_, slightlyoff, tobie, hadleybeeman, nicktr, hober, 15:04:01 ... joconnor, jeffh, Travis_, manu, dlongley, mhofman, rowan_m, yoav, danyao, Ian 15:04:07 Anne has joined #wpwg 15:04:20 jfontana has joined #wpwg 15:04:29 present+ Jeff_Hodges 15:04:37 -> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20210121 Agenda 15:04:41 present+ 15:04:45 Topic: Welcome to 2021 15:05:07 present+ Lawrence_Cheng 15:05:56 Topic: Payment Request API Update 15:06:10 NickTR: We have started a call for consensus to advance to Proposed Rec 15:06:30 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-payments-wg/2021Jan/0005.html call for consensus until 27 January 15:07:29 q? 15:07:33 ... New issue came up about a week ago 15:07:37 -> https://github.com/w3c/payment-request/issues/936 936 15:08:49 -> https://github.com/w3c/payment-request/issues/936#issuecomment-762337219 proposal 15:10:00 Ian: Please weigh in on GitHub 15:11:54 q? 15:11:59 Topic: SPC 15:12:26 q+ To mention what he knows re: timing 15:12:55 ack Ian 15:12:55 Ian, you wanted to mention what he knows re: timing 15:12:58 q+ to ask if any additional platforms are close 15:13:19 Ian: Expect results end of Feb... 15:13:36 q+ to share early plans on Chrome side 15:13:42 q? 15:13:46 ack G 15:13:46 Gerhard, you wanted to ask if any additional platforms are close 15:14:18 Gerhard: Any info on the timeline for porting to new platforms (beyond MacOS + Chrome)? 15:14:20 ack Dan 15:14:20 danyao, you wanted to share early plans on Chrome side 15:14:41 Danyao: We plan to make it available on Windows in an origin trial. 15:14:58 ...we don't yet have plans on Android but are seeking a partner 15:15:39 ...I can say that early data are promising; we are making some adjustments to the UX based on feedback. 15:15:51 ...we also plan to start working on a specification 15:16:12 ...we need to decide if the WPWG is the right place to incubate this specification (because it also has tie-in with WebAuthn 15:16:48 ...we also want to ensure that the design is not biased by the pilot 15:17:00 ...so we are interested in partnering with an ACS (for the 3DS use case) 15:17:04 q+ 15:17:18 ...we are also interested in demonstrating generality by looking for partners for other payment methods (e.g., open banking) 15:17:23 q+ to speak about open banking timing 15:17:27 q? 15:17:29 ack G 15:17:30 ack Gerhard 15:17:49 Chris_Wood has joined #wpwg 15:17:55 Gerhard: Entersekt is an ACS vendor; would be interested in Android port (for banks in Africa) 15:18:09 ...also want to reiterate interest in Windows + Mac desktops 15:18:12 ack Ian 15:18:12 Ian, you wanted to speak about open banking timing 15:18:28 Flurry of activities anticipated: 15:18:28 More experimentation with other partners (e.g., banks) 15:18:28 Initial specification 15:18:28 Expansion of implementation to other platforms (currently on Mac only for the experiment) 15:18:28 Outreach (more browsers, more PSPs, more banks, more payment systems including SRC) 15:18:29 Coordination with the 3DS WG at EMVCo (for use case of SPC with 3DS) 15:18:31 Coordination with the WebAuthn folks via the joint task force 15:18:33 Communication of the findings 15:19:48 q+ on where this should live 15:20:33 q? 15:21:19 ack me 15:21:34 ack Gerhard 15:21:34 Gerhard, you wanted to comment on where this should live 15:21:37 ack Ger 15:22:01 Ian: I think should be in WPWG since as I understand it it most has an impact on that spec. We can use the task force with WebAUthn 15:22:39 Gerhard: If it's about WebAuthn in payments, +1 to WPWG. But if mostly about WebAuthn, then could be that group 15:23:03 q? 15:23:35 q? 15:23:40 Topic: Merchant Business Group Update 15:24:13 NickTR: The Merchant BG is up and running. We have held several calls. Recent agenda, for example, was GS1 on bard cards. 15:24:23 ...we heard from FIS about payments landscape 15:24:31 ...upcoming; advertising Business Group info sharing 15:24:40 present+ David_Benoit 15:25:09 nickTR: Contact me or Ian if you (or your merchant partners) want to get more involved 15:25:12 +q 15:25:15 ack cli 15:25:48 clinton: What is the status of QR code discussions? 15:25:58 NickTR: We had some WG calls (e.g., December) 15:26:07 ...I raised an issue about QR codes on GitHub 15:26:34 -> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/issues/257 QR code issue 15:27:05 NickTR: For the moment we don't have workshop being planned 15:27:55 Tm_ has joined #wpwg 15:29:51 IJ: Another topic where we'll hear stuff - Web Monetization (expect end of Q1) 15:29:56 Topic: Multi-day meetings in 2021 15:31:38 Ian: Current expectation is virtual TPAC 2021...but meeting planners would like input 15:32:28 Ian: Some other orgs we work with are anticipating in-person meetings in Q4 (but will depend on situation, of course) 15:33:28 Ian: Can people speak about corporate travel policies? 15:33:42 Clinton: For budgeting purposes, good to know sooner. 15:34:02 Fawad: Agree with Clinton; it's hard to say we'll be allowed to travel in Q4. (At least through June cannot travel.) 15:34:08 I have no plans to travel until I get the vaccine - after that, I will be happy (delighted) to resume my peregrinations 15:35:23 NickTR: Meanwhile, for March/April I would be keen to hold a meeting around then. 15:35:37 ...SPC likely to figure prominently 15:36:28 Ian: Any conflicts for meeting 29 March to 2 April? 15:37:02 AdrianHB has joined #wpwg 15:37:06 NickTR: 2 April is Good Friday 15:38:05 ACTION: Ian to work with Nick and Adrian to find out if 29 March - 1 April conflicts with other org events 15:38:18 present+ 15:38:19 +1 15:38:48 PROPOSED: Hold a multi-day meeting (probably centered on SPC) end of March/early April 2021 15:38:56 +1 15:39:00 +1 15:39:50 q? 15:39:56 Topic: Basic Card 15:40:16 -> https://www.w3.org/Payments/card-network-ids Card Network Identifiers Approved for use with Payment Request API 15:40:56 -> https://1link.net.pk/pay-pak/ PayPak 15:41:24 -> https://www.w3.org/Payments/card-network-ids#change-policy 15:42:07 present+ John_Bradley 15:42:50 Ian: Is PayPak a recognized card network? 15:44:05 ACTION: Ian to reach out to JCB and UnionPay colleagues on this question 15:44:54 NickTR: Let's bring the question back after some further study. 15:45:36 q+ to aks the question on the criteria to accept new cards on the list 15:46:23 ack vk 15:46:23 vkuntz, you wanted to aks the question on the criteria to accept new cards on the list 15:47:35 q+ 15:47:44 vkuntz: Is there a regulatory stamp, for example, that could help establish confidence in adding a new id? 15:47:53 ...there are analogous mechanisms for banks 15:48:00 ...is there an authority for card networks? 15:48:06 ack nick 15:48:33 nicktr: BIN range controller might be another way to help make a determination 15:48:45 +q 15:48:51 ack clinton 15:48:59 clinton: The american bank association publishes BIN ranges for ISO 15:49:03 ..it's not a public document 15:50:27 clinton: some BIN ranges may also be sublet to other parties 15:50:53 a real DNS-style repo/service for BIN/IIN would be _so_ nice 15:53:10 ACTION: Fawad to look for more information on the PayPak card network 15:53:13 I have used binbase in the past. not free, but frequently updated and massive 15:54:03 ack q? 15:54:13 topic: Next meeting 15:54:17 4 February 15:54:22 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/21-wpwg-minutes.html Ian 15:54:28 q+ to suggest we deprecate basic card ASAP... 15:54:40 ack Adr 15:54:40 AdrianHB, you wanted to suggest we deprecate basic card ASAP... 15:54:51 AdrianHB: I suggest we deprecate basic card 15:55:24 ...since being deprecated in Chrome 15:55:30 NickTR: Let's take that up at a future meeting 15:55:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/21-wpwg-minutes.html Ian 15:55:48 RRSAGENT, set logs public 15:56:37 stpeter has joined #wpwg