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15:07:56 <dape> TOPIC: Agenda
15:08:23 <dape> Cristiano: Talk about ModBus next week
15:08:38 <dape> MMC: Open PRs from my side we might want to look at
15:08:51 <dape> TOPIC:  Last minutes - Review
15:09:03 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/01/13-wot-td-minutes.html Jan-13
15:09:04 <dape> see https://www.w3.org/2021/01/13-wot-td-minutes.html
15:09:15 <kaz> s|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/01/13-wot-td-minutes.html Jan-13||
15:10:13 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Eg_Korkan, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
15:16:31 <kaz> s/Eg_/Ege_/
15:16:55 <dape> SK: any objections?
15:17:13 <dape> ... none --> minutes approved
15:17:30 <dape> TOPIC: Defer issue to TD 2.0
15:17:38 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Defer+to+TD+2.0%22
15:17:59 <dape> SK: Please take a look at these issues and raise concerns
15:18:10 <dape> TOPIC: Propose closing issues
15:18:17 <dape> --> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Propose+closing%22
15:18:34 <dape> SK: Also here, please comment if you see problems
15:18:59 <dape> ... so that we can discuss the issues
15:19:07 <dape> TOPIC: PRs
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15:19:48 <dape> SK: Introduce observeAllProperties and unobserveAllProperties, https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1025
15:20:09 <dape> SK: there was a bug in the PR Victor fixed
15:20:32 <dape> ... PR is about adding op for observeAllProperties and unobserveAllProperties
15:21:16 <dape> ... PR is ready to be merged
15:21:43 <mlagally_> mlagally_ has joined #wot-td
15:21:46 <dape> ... arghhh, merge conflicts
15:22:10 <dape> ... w.r.t. SVG images
15:22:25 <kaz> s/TOPIC: PRs/topic: PR 1025/
15:23:38 <dape> ... fixing it right away
15:23:52 <dape> ... any objections before merging?
15:24:10 <dape> ... none -> merging...
15:24:27 <dape> TOPIC: PR 1030
15:24:34 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1030
15:25:12 <dape> DP: respec warnings only
15:25:32 <dape> SK: looks good to be merged
15:26:05 <dape> TOPIC: PR 1034
15:26:08 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1034
15:26:12 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
15:26:34 <dape> SK: introduced new chapter about link relation types
15:26:42 <dape> ... not completed yet
15:27:30 <dape> ... the values in link relation table are coming from IANA
15:27:42 <dape> ... should re-use them as much as possible
15:28:29 <dape> ... e.g., "service-doc"
15:28:48 <kaz> s/1034/1034 PR 1034/
15:28:48 <dape> ... e.g., "alternate" representation like RDF, HTML et cetera
15:29:59 <dape> MMC: link type for directory federation?
15:30:20 <dape> ... "proxy-to" to be used?
15:30:34 <dape> ... not sure if this is right
15:30:46 <dape> SK: First set at the moment
15:30:52 <dape> ... might need to improve
15:31:06 <dape> ...  we have requirement document
15:31:16 <mlagally_> Will be back in 5 mins
15:31:36 <mjk> q?
15:31:40 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/master/REQUIREMENTS/link-relation-types.md
15:31:46 <cris> +1 also from my side
15:31:53 <dape> MMC: What about non IANA types?
15:32:31 <dape> ... do we propose to add them to IANA?
15:32:57 <dape> SK: There is a column indicating the source.. IANA or any other place
15:33:01 <mlagally_> q+
15:33:07 <dape> ... "extend" coming from WoT Thing Model
15:33:35 <Ege> q+
15:33:39 <dape> MMC: what about "implements" ?
15:34:09 <dape> ... seems important to me
15:35:10 <dape> ... for geo-location we need to point where location is
15:35:31 <dape> ML: Thanks for addressing the link type comment
15:35:50 <dape> ... surprised about being "informative"
15:36:02 <dape> ... shouldn't it be normative?
15:36:47 <dape> ... we need column about cardinality also
15:37:05 <dape> ... e.g., multiple inheritance:  1 or *
15:38:59 <dape> MMC: we need a decision about each
15:39:02 <dape> SK: Makes sense
15:39:04 <sebastian> q?
15:39:09 <sebastian> ack ml
15:39:36 <dape> Ege: would see link table in Chapter 5
15:40:00 <dape> SK: Was thinking about it also...
15:40:24 <dape> ... in/under 5.3.4.1  ?
15:41:04 <dape> ... have examples in *new* Section 11
15:41:26 <dape> ... where should examples go?
15:41:37 <dape> Ege: In chapter 6 there are already examples
15:42:00 <dape> MMC: Note: "controlledBy" is not yet in the list but in example
15:42:35 <dape> ... "assembly" is another type
15:42:48 <McCool> q?
15:43:02 <dape> ack Ege
15:46:04 <dape> ML: will it ever make sense to have one of this links mandatory?
15:46:12 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
15:46:13 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minute
15:46:13 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', kaz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:46:18 <kaz> s/rrsagent, draft minute//
15:46:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:46:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/20-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:46:21 <dape> MMC: in certain contexts, like profiles...
15:46:48 <dape> ... in general making them mandatory causes backward compatibility
15:46:54 <dape> ML: Makes sense
15:47:38 <dape> s/causes backward compatibility/causes backward compatibility issues
15:47:55 <dape> SK: will keep working on the PR
15:48:26 <dape> Ege: in some cases people combine keys
15:48:51 <dape> SK: multiple rel values?
15:48:58 <dape> ... yes, I have seen that
15:49:07 <dape> ... do we want to allow that?
15:49:36 <dape> MMC: Isn't "link" define somewhere.. what does the RFC say
15:50:04 <dape> ...  alternative is to duplicate link withe different rel type
15:50:12 <dape> s/withe/with
15:50:47 <dape> MK: RFC 8288 talks about it
15:51:45 <dape> Ege: "+" used to give further precision
15:52:52 <dape> ... will try to find more information
15:53:18 <dape> MMC: "+" in relation names may cause problems
15:53:28 <dape> ... "-" is allowed in name
15:53:47 <dape> SK: Let's try to find out more
15:54:14 <dape> TOPIC: PR 1031
15:54:16 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1031
15:54:20 <mlagally_> (signing off)
15:54:33 <dape> MMC: PR not complete yet
15:54:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:54:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/20-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:55:01 <dape> ... rendering is not working
15:56:04 <dape> DP: had same issue, not recalling where to put the content.. i guess some parts need to be duplicated
15:56:14 <dape> MMC: Will contact Victor
15:56:21 <dape> ... w.r.t. content
15:56:36 <dape> ... APIkey vs. PSK
15:56:55 <dape> ... APIkey cloud service provider example
15:57:12 <dape> ... expanded the description
15:57:47 <dape> ... PSK meant when you have standard for key
15:58:12 <dape> ... add cypher-suite parameter?
15:58:46 <dape> ... in both cases key should be put in TD
15:59:02 <dape> ... no assertion ... but we should discourage it
15:59:22 <dape> ... Ege can you check my work
15:59:30 <dape> Ege: commented already
16:01:20 <dape> TOPIC: PR 1032