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12:59:47 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#20_January_2021
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13:06:38 <McCool> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#20_January_2021
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13:06:56 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally, Daniel_Peintner, Tetsushi_Matsuda
13:07:32 <McCool> topics: invited experts
13:07:57 <McCool> sk: Christine Perey, SDWIG, as invited expert in WoT; approved by chairs
13:08:18 <McCool> ... expect her to join the use case calls
13:08:21 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:08:39 <McCool> sk: we have some other candidates that are in process
13:08:51 <McCool> topic: minutes review
13:09:04 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/01/13-wot-minutes.html Jan-13
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13:10:46 <McCool> sk: SDW, APA, Liaisons, TF reports...
13:11:39 <McCool> topics: joint calls
13:11:50 <McCool> Jan 19 was joint call with SDW/AR
13:12:15 <kaz> mm: more introductory discussions there
13:12:29 <kaz> ... presentation from the Open AR Cloud guys
13:12:41 <kaz> ... also pending use cases from Rob Smith
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13:13:06 <kaz> ... next steps includes follow-up discussions during the use cases calls
13:13:24 <kaz> ... possible proposals on spatial data for discovery
13:13:38 <kaz> ... also tracking references
13:14:12 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/955#issuecomment-762978602 comments on next steps
13:14:14 <kaz> q+
13:14:37 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura, Takahisa_Suzuki
13:14:52 <kaz> ml: expecting to have geolocation experts from them?
13:14:56 <kaz> mm: yes
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13:15:26 <dezell> Present+
13:15:30 <kaz> ... note that Christine Perey from their side will make contributions as an IE
13:15:47 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:15:47 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Michael_Lagally, Daniel_Peintner, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Ryuichi_Matsukura,
13:15:51 <Zakim> ... Takahisa_Suzuki, dezell
13:15:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see dezell, ryuichi, tksuzuki, matsuda, Mizushima, Ege, dape, ktoumura, sebastian, RRSAgent, Zakim, McCool, kaz, benfrancis, hadleybeeman, bigbluehat, joconnor, manu, rzr,
13:15:52 <Zakim> ... misalias_
13:16:05 <kaz> s/dezell/David_Ezell/
13:16:52 <kaz> mm: before moving forward to actual spec features, we'll clearly define our requirements
13:17:07 <kaz> ... e.g., for geospatial query
13:17:16 <kaz> ml: tx for your clarification
13:17:39 <kaz> mm: I gave some tutorial on how to use GitHub PRs to Christine
13:17:52 <McCool> mm: also expect SD experts, including Christine Perey, to contribute to use cases and requirements
13:17:53 <kaz> i/more intro/scribenick: ka/
13:17:56 <McCool> topic: APA meeting
13:18:06 <kaz> s/scribenick: ka/scribenick: kaz/
13:18:22 <kaz> i/also expect/scribenick: McCool/
13:19:01 <McCool> see github issue for agenda; make issues and label them with "Accessibility"
13:19:20 <McCool> ml: we do have an accessibility section in use cases... would be useful to review
13:19:24 <kaz> s|topics: joint calls|topic: SDW/AR use cases/
13:19:51 <kaz> i|Jan 19 was|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/955 meeting agenda|
13:20:00 <McCool> topic: planning additional joint meeting
13:20:12 <kaz> i|see github|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/953 meeting agenda|
13:20:20 <McCool> sk: Microsoft DTDL; Michael Lagally trying to organize
13:20:53 <McCool> ... unfortunately use case call is inconvenient, have proposed having him join Architecture call
13:21:13 <McCool> topic: vF2F planning
13:21:24 <McCool> sk: dates and times have been proposed
13:21:32 <McCool> ... doodles are in agenda
13:21:43 <dape> q+
13:21:47 <McCool> ... plugfest proposed for March 1-5
13:22:43 <kaz> q-
13:23:14 <McCool> mm: I have marked existing WoT meetings as yellow conflicts during plugfest week
13:23:25 <McCool> ... although we might cancel them, to discuss
13:23:33 <McCool> dape: was there an email for the doodles?
13:23:39 <McCool> kaz: not yet, I will do
13:23:42 <dape> ack dape
13:23:47 <kaz> action: kaz to send an announcement on the doodle
13:24:16 <McCool> sk: proposal for actual vF2F, propose some times from March 15 - 26.
13:24:20 <McCool> q+
13:24:58 <McCool> mm: I propose that we try to schedule a total of 15h over those two weeks
13:25:11 <McCool> ... let's use the doodle to figure out the best slots to use
13:25:50 <McCool> sk: note also that these two weeks are when the daylight savings time is changing, so be careful when checking times
13:27:03 <McCool> mm: once we decide on times I can send out calendar invites which will hopefully show the times correctly in everyone's local timezone
13:27:10 <McCool> topic: Liaisons
13:27:57 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
13:28:13 <McCool> mm: have not heard about any plans for a T2TRG meeting
13:28:31 <McCool> ... but normally they do have one prior to IETF, which is in five weeks
13:28:45 <McCool> mk: will contact Ari and see
13:28:50 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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13:29:39 <McCool> mm: I think a joint call would be helpful to get updates on IETF activities, ASDF, etc...
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13:31:41 <McCool> ... also REST api for iot, edge computing (Eve Schooler contact)
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13:33:19 <McCool> mm: for IETF, need to go through calendar and see what's scheduled
13:33:28 <McCool> ... some relevant actitives around JSON, etc.
13:33:45 <McCool> sk: for OPC-UA, we have been talking to validation group
13:34:06 <McCool> ... but it seems it was not quite the right group for a OPC-UA binding for WoT
13:34:36 <McCool> ... so since there does not seem to be an appropriate group, proposing to make a "companion group"
13:34:44 <McCool> ... to create a binding
13:35:10 <McCool> sk: so now propose working on a joint charter; also need to understand what companies would be interested
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13:35:39 <mjk> q?
13:35:44 <McCool> sk: Siemens will definitely support this activity
13:35:44 <mjk> q+
13:35:45 <McCool> ack m
13:35:55 <kaz> q+
13:35:56 <McCool> q+ mjk
13:35:59 <McCool> ack mc
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13:37:01 <McCool> sk: need to define mostly vocabulary for OPC-UA binding
13:37:28 <McCool> kaz: wondering if expected relationship would be included in current liaison
13:37:56 <McCool> ... may have to talk to W3C management again to see if we need a stronger liaison
13:38:09 <McCool> ... especially if a spec is being created
13:38:40 <McCool> kaz: for example, SDW group worked with OGC on joint specs
13:39:01 <McCool> sk: probably first need to sketch the charter, then can share with W3M to get feedback
13:39:05 <kaz> q?
13:39:07 <kaz> ack k
13:39:08 <sebastian> q?
13:39:11 <kaz> ack mj
13:39:47 <McCool> mjk: does this *have* to be done under OPC-UA?  Are IP policies consistent with W3C?
13:40:14 <McCool> sk: if we do it as a joint charter, we can include W3C members that don't have to be OPC-UA members
13:40:52 <McCool> mjk: we should also look at certification requirements
13:43:02 <McCool> ml: what mjk said is important, so we need to fix policies around IP, goals, etc.
13:43:13 <mjk> ack mjk
13:43:45 <McCool> ml: some clear use cases and scenarios that bring value to industry; what is benefit of integration?
13:44:12 <McCool> ml: need some draft terms of reference
13:45:08 <McCool> ml: in general this also applies to integration with other standards, e.g. MQTT
13:45:12 <kaz> +1
13:45:19 <kaz> q+
13:45:21 <kaz> ack ml
13:45:26 <McCool> sk: yes, this is something we have to do anyway as part of the charter
13:45:27 <McCool> q?
13:45:41 <McCool> ml: does it make sense to write a use case?
13:45:50 <McCool> q+
13:46:19 <kaz> ack k
13:46:22 <McCool> kaz: before create a draft charter, perhaps we should have expected deliverables
13:46:47 <mjk> I would like to understand if a WoT TD binding for OPC UA will create an open user community, like the web
13:47:06 <McCool> sk: we would benefit if other standards can use WoT
13:47:35 <mjk> So a zigbee binding, if only useful to zigbee members?
13:49:14 <McCool> mm: we could add OPC-UA to existing use cases (eg factory, smart city, building, etc) but perhaps another "horizontal" use case for "cross-standard mashups" would be useful to document this application of WoT (which includes OPC-UA but also other standards)
13:49:48 <McCool> kaz: suggest we should see how to use our existing W3C liaison
13:50:12 <McCool> mm: and we should clarify if OPC-UA joint group is needed
13:50:58 <McCool> sk: next steps, we should look at alternatives
13:51:01 <McCool> q+
13:51:07 <kaz> q+
13:51:12 <kaz> ack m
13:51:29 <McCool> mm: don't think anyone is against it, we just need to go through the process
13:51:51 <McCool> sk: perhaps should start with sketching a charter, then we can discuss
13:51:58 <McCool> ml: makes sense; is there a template?
13:52:09 <kaz> s/charter/use case/
13:52:31 <McCool> s/charter and use case/
13:53:36 <kaz> a/sketching a use case/sketching a charter and use cases/
13:53:48 <McCool> mm: there are a few other topics of future interest from ISO and IEC (Common Data Directory)
13:54:33 <McCool> kaz: had discussion with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries; maybe invite to use case call
13:54:49 <McCool> ... and also it might be interesting to refer to their ontologies
13:55:03 <McCool> sk: kaz, will you invite to use case call then?
13:55:07 <McCool> kaz: yes
13:55:17 <McCool> topic: Task Force Reports
13:56:12 <kaz> s/Mitsubishi Heavy Industries/a guy working on the IEC CDD standard/
13:56:13 <McCool> dape: how to identify version
13:57:54 <McCool> mm: security worked on PRs for apikey and psk, and uri templates
13:58:20 <McCool> mm: for discovery, talked about vocabulary and alternativeResponses
13:58:36 <McCool> mm: all of the above will be discussed in TD call today
13:58:48 <McCool> sk: for marketing, looked at videos and web pages
13:59:23 <McCool> ... for web page content, looked at tutorials
13:59:43 <McCool> mm: plugfest, worked on logistics and got started in organizing repo, scenarios, etc.
14:00:19 <McCool> sk: several prs that need input from ml
14:00:32 <McCool> ml: unfortunately hard for me to attend td call
14:01:09 <McCool> kaz: had a report last week on this
14:01:30 <McCool> ml: consolidated repos, walked some new members through process
14:02:29 <McCool> ml: architecture, terminology definitions for partial TDs, TD fragments, etc. to get consistent use of these terms
14:02:48 <McCool> ... also some FPWD feedback from ben, pushed out to next call
14:02:58 <kaz> s/ben/Ben/
14:03:00 <McCool> ... on profiles
14:03:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:03:41 <kaz> [main call adjourned; PF call in 7 mins]
14:03:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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