21:01:30 RRSAgent has joined #merchantbg 21:01:30 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/01/18-merchantbg-irc 21:01:32 RRSAgent, make logs Public 21:01:33 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), nicktr 21:01:48 meeting: Merchant Business Group 21:01:53 chair: Mel O'Brien 21:02:33 scribe: nicktr 21:03:06 phila_ has joined #merchantbg 21:04:17 present+ David_Ezell 21:04:25 present+ Linda_Toth 21:04:35 present+ Phil_Archer 21:05:20 present+ Melanie_O'Brien 21:05:29 present+ Ian_jacobs 21:06:16 present+ Laura_Townsends 21:06:28 present+ Trent_Addington 21:07:31 topic: recap 21:08:00 mel: last time's minutes: https://www.w3.org/2020/12/07-merchantbg-minutes.html) 21:08:15 Ian has joined #merchantbg 21:08:18 -> My slides https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1kgkKtdDdjxLQaehEKfk02KYmaBxxWbid/edit#slide=id.p1 21:08:22 dezell has joined #merchantbg 21:08:28 present+ 21:08:45 present+ 21:09:11 Topic: Barcodes on the web 21:09:55 phila_: GS1 known for barcodes since 1974 21:10:26 ...heavily involved in retail, marketplaces, healthcare, transport and technical industries 21:11:41 ...and with a global footprint 21:12:33 phila_: lots of different barcodes on products, often more than one 21:12:41 ...[slide 5] 21:14:03 phila_: Digital link is single identifier resolvable as URL 21:14:59 ...[slide 8] 21:15:16 ...concetenating identifiers into a single URL 21:17:26 phila_: [slide 9] ideally we will support multiple redirection 21:20:17 phila_: [slide 13] - how does it work? 21:21:08 phila_: three kinds of resolver 21:21:13 -> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8288 Web Linking spec at IETF 21:21:16 ...1) Default 21:21:35 ...2) Ask for specific link type 21:21:42 ...3) Give me everything 21:22:42 -> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-wilde-linkset-05.html Linkset: Media Types and a Link Relation Type for Link Sets 21:23:51 phila_: Linksets have ideas in common with DIDs 21:25:07 phila_: [slide 22] - linkType parameter 21:25:28 phila_: So what? 21:25:53 ...at least 4 multinational companies committed to using GS1 Digital Link 21:26:45 ...use cases for BG? 21:26:53 ...product ID 21:27:04 q+ 21:27:48 ian: Are any browser vendors interest in the digital link initiative? 21:28:00 phila_: I don't believe that we have approached them 21:28:38 mel: what's the customer journey? 21:29:15 ...how does it work on line? 21:31:26 trent: what's the governance process? 21:32:10 phila_: we built it as decentralised system 21:32:31 ...we operate a resolver, but we'd expect big retailers to run their own resolver 21:33:28 ...tl;dr - whoever runs the resolver chooses how the link is resolved 21:34:14 ...our starting point is the domain name 21:35:05 dezell: where is linkset being standardised? 21:35:15 phila_: we are working at IETF 21:36:52 dezell: I noticed you put two different identifiers: one in the URL and one in the query string 21:37:58 phila_: things that are separated in the path are increasingly granular, whereas the query string is in the used for descriptive things (like expiry) 21:39:08 nicktr: One thing that might be valuable to online retailers: product artwork could be provided with QRs embedded in the product artwork 21:44:49 mel: is it fair to say that this is a hybrid between barcode and URL? 21:44:56 phila_: it's an entry point 21:45:53 ...the more important thing is that is lets consumers see information that *isn't* on the box 21:46:17 mel: but retailers might be worried about journeys outside their site 21:46:30 phila_: we can use modals and iframes 21:46:37 q+ 21:46:56 ack Ian 21:47:38 ian: having an identifier that can provide redirection is great 21:47:54 ...having things built into browsers can make things less cumbersome 21:49:37 ...so there's a data view and a UX view 21:50:12 phila_: language negotiation is perfectly possible but lots of sites don't do it well 21:50:28 mel: let's move on 21:50:43 topic: recruiting more members 21:50:59 mel: talking to people in our networks 21:51:23 ...so I've put together a little cold call mail that I wanted to share to get your feedback 21:52:06 mel: text reads 21:52:26 https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/L9TKEBIu/Hi%20%3Cpersons%E2%80%99s%20name%3E%2C%20%20I%E2%80%99m%20part%20of%20the%20W3C%E2%80%99s%20business%20merchant%20group%20which%20has%20been%20created%20to%20discuss%20issues%20and%20topics%20related%20to%20ecomm.%20Because%20you%20work%20for%20%3Corganisation%20name%3E%20which%20operates%20online%20B2B%2FB2C%20I%20thought%20the%20discussions%20about%20improving%20online%20transactions%2C%20%20e 21:52:26 merging%20technology%2C%20payment%20solutions%20would%20be%20of%20interest%20to%20your%20organisation.%20%3COrganisation%20name%3E%E2%80%99s%20input%20would%20definitely%20enrich%20the%20conversation%20and%20help%20to%20shape%20the%20recommendations%20the%20group%20delivers.%20Have%20quick%20read%20about%20the%20group%20%3Clink%3E%20and%20we%20can%20discuss%20further%2C%20%20Thanks%2C%20Hi%20%3Cpersons%E2%80%99s%20name%3E%2C%20%20I%E2%80 21:52:27 %99m%20part%20of%20the%20W3C%E2%80%99s%20business%20merchant%20group%20which%20has%20been%20created%20to%20discuss%20issues%20and%20topics%20related%20to%20ecomm.%20Because%20you%20work%20for%20%3Corganisation%20name%3E%20which%20operates%20online%20B2B%2FB2C%20I%20thought%20the%20discussions%20about%20improving%20online%20transactions%2C%20%20emerging%20technology%2C%20payment%20solutions%20would%20be%20of%20interest%20to%20your%20organ 21:52:27 isation.%20%3COrganisation%20name%3E%E2%80%99s%20input%20would%20definitely%20enrich%20the%20conversation%20and%20help%20to%20shape%20the%20recommendations%20the%20group%20delivers.%20Have%20quick%20read%20about%20the%20group%20%3Clink%3E%20and%20we%20can%20discuss%20further%2C%20%20Thanks%2C%20 21:54:47 laura: where do we fit at MAG? 21:54:59 ...it needs to be about payments 21:55:32 ...whereas the BG is talking across wider topics 21:56:11 (I read this as Laura saying "our priority would be payments"...good to hear and would be interested in hearing priorities from others as well) 21:58:03 linda: these are not prosperous times - difficult to recruit and retain our own members 21:58:13 ...fees make this more difficult 21:58:33 dezell: I have reached out 21:58:42 ...and will continue to do so 22:00:00 phila_: difficult to promote another standards org from my own - but not impossible 22:00:32 ...and on use cases, receipts and inventory are very relevant, rather than payments 22:02:00 next meeting: Monday 1st Feb 22:08:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/18-merchantbg-minutes.html nicktr 22:09:19 RRSAgent, set logs public