IRC log of wot on 2021-01-13

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Meeting: WoT-IG/WG

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, Kuihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally

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present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch

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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#13_January_2021

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present+ Ege_Korkan

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present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda

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scribe: dape

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scribenick: dape

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rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/13-wot-minutes.html kaz

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MMC: Agenda bashing

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i/Agenda/topic: Agenda/

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-> https://www.w3.org/2020/12/16-wot-minutes.html Dec-16

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TOPIC: Minutes review, https://www.w3.org/2020/12/16-wot-minutes.html

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s|-> https://www.w3.org/2020/12/16-wot-minutes.html Dec-16||

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MMC: Spatial data joint call

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... some people gaive as emails

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Kaz: is properly organized

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MMC: IETF

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s/gaive as/gave/

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present+ Takahisa_Suzuki, Tomoaki_Mizushima

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MK: TODO on my side

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.. working on it

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zakim, who is here?

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Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, Kuihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Ege_Korkan, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Takahisa_Suzuki,

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... Tomoaki_Mizushima

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On IRC I see tksuzuki, matsuda, Mizushima, sebastian, ryuichi, McCool, dape, ktoumura, RRSAgent, Zakim, dsr_, kaz, joconnor, hadleybeeman, manu, bigbluehat, rzr, misalias_

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MMC: OPCUA liaison

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... should discuss all liaisons today -> updated agenda

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s/OPCUA/OPC-UA/

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present+ Jennifer_Lin

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MMC: Comments on minutes?

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no objections -> minutes approved

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TOPIC: Quick updates

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MMC: Joint calls coming up

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... Spatial data on the web, next Tuesday

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... see https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/955

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... main topics: AR use cases

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... proposed agenda in GH issue

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... ontology discussions taking place on mailinglist

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MMC: APA call, https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/953

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... Jan 27, 9am ET

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... re-use PlugFest slot

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... please label issues with "assessibility" accordingly

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s/assessibility/accessibility/

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MMC: Microsoft DTDL, open topic

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... still need to find proper slot

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ML: Ought to restart dicussions

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MMC: Could aim for February

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MMC: Publication follow-up

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Kaz: created 5 PRs

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Architecture: https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/576 TD: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1027 Discovery: https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/108 Profile: https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/62 Scripting API: https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/288

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Kaz: small fixes, should be merged in the according call

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TOPIC: Virtual F2F Planning

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MMC: Talked about Pune but because of Covid we will not have any F2F

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... hence will be virtual

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... proposal

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... Plugfest: March 1-5, 9am (?) ET

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... Virtual F2F: March 15-26, 8-11am (?) ET

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.... Need a doodle to finalize

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MMC: Other alignments

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... should have solid drafts till then

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... in June 2021: F2F and PlugFest

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... in PF slot we should talke about possible themes/topics

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MMC: Kaz, can you setup Doodles?

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Kaz: OK

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s/according call/each TF call/

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MMC: should have main call, avoiding others call

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s/talke /talk /

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MMC: Known conflicts?

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-> none heard

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TOPIC: Liaisons

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MMC: IETF/ASDF/T2TRG

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action: kaz to generate doodle for March vF2F

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... calls set already?

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MK: Not sure, Ari just came back

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MMC: OPC-UA ?

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SK: looked into validation

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... using SHACL

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... compare with OPC-UA approach

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... not sure if the group we are in contact with is the *right* group

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... adressing OPC-UA bindings ... joint discussions to follow

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MMC: meeting scheduled?

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SK: no appointment in my calendar yet

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... will check

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MMC: ITU-T SG20

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ML: in 2 weeks we will dicuss topic in use-case call

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MMC: 26th?

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ML: Yes

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TOPIC: TF Reports

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q+

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DP: valdiation for *partial* TD like TingModel, fragment TD, Discovery, ...

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ML: terminology for partial TD

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... need definition..

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DP: Yes, difficult to drawa line

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s/TingModel/Thing Model/

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s/drawa line/draw a line among them./

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DP: kind of lost about how to define/validate them

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ML: should discuss it during the Architecture call tomorrow, Jan 14

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i/kind/scribenick: kaz/

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... you can say our specific partial TD could be validated by JSON Schema

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... is that right?

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MMC: propose moving it to acrh call

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MM: we should discuss it during the TD/Arch calls

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MMC: Security

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... discussed 2 issues

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i/Security/scribenick: dape/

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... 1. post from external person, issue #197

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... formulated response

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... got response, did not have time to look at it

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q+

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present+ David_Ezell

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... relates to architecture also

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ML: does hspaay propose a way to solve the issue?

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MMC: menetions that we require all being server

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s/menetions/mentions/

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... it is not correct. Explained it. Will try to invite hime to call..

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MMC: 2. topic: API key and PSK key missing descriptions

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... another issue popped up, ID for Philips hue is in URL

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... we do not support this yet

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... URI template?

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... try to resolve it soon

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Ege: Will talk about it in TD call

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MMC: Discovery call

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Kaz: Skimmed existing issues and PRs

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... will talk about resolutions next week

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MMC: Marketing

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SK: talked about animation video

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.. final steps

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... exchange with Coralie

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q+

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... waiting for feedback from APA / Josh

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... voice-over is still missing

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s/voice/final voice/

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... quickly talke about new web page (TD content)

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Kaz: Asked Josh already

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... got response -> will forward this response

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s/this/that/

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ack m

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ack k

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MMC: "Getting started" content needs to be improved on web page

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... grab examples from Cristiano

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MMC: PF/Testing

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... defer to PF call

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... in 2 weeks we can conflicts

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MMC: TD/Bindings

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SK: today we will restart work

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q+

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... e.g. security and Philips Hue

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q+

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ML: Link relation types

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... do we plan to explain link relation type

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SK: Still lots of work needed

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... cannot say whether it is achievable

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ML: Just initial set?

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SK: Do we have an initial list?

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-> https://www.w3.org/2021/01/11-wot-discovery-minutes.html#t07 Discovery minutes item 7

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ML: Yes, but might need further work

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Kaz: Talked about it in discovery call as well

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... Farshid plans to work on proposal

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s/plans/is planning/

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MMC: need to assmble all requirements popping up in different places

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s/proposal/proposal, and we'll see what type would fit best based on that proposal./

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s/assmble/assemble

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ML: We have input from use-cases document as a starting point

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SK: TD spec mentions w plan to work on it

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s/w plan/we plan

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MMC: Use-cases

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ML: Call yesterday

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... newcomers from building and AR

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.. re-factored all uses from architecture

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... publish by May?

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... draft by March

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ML: Architecture

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... no call this week yet

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.. tomorrow we will have call (one hour only)

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... terminology will be discussed

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MMC: AOB?

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Kaz: Perey invited experts status?

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MMC: geospatial expert

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Kaz: talk about it in chairs call?

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i/AOB/topic: AOB/

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s/experts/expert/

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s/talk/let's talk/

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s/call?/call/

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MMC: adjourned

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MMC: PF in 9 minutes

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/13-wot-minutes.html kaz

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